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Nevilledog

(51,188 posts)
Wed May 17, 2023, 01:32 AM May 2023

Texas A&M Prof Flunks All His Students After ChatGPT Falsely Claims It Wrote Their Papers

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/texas-am-chatgpt-ai-professor-flunks-students-false-claims-1234736601/

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A NUMBER OF seniors at Texas A&M University–Commerce who already walked the stage at graduation this year have been temporarily denied their diplomas after a professor ineptly used AI software to assess their final assignments, the partner of a student in his class — known as DearKick on Reddit — claims to Rolling Stone.

Dr. Jared Mumm, a campus rodeo instructor who also teaches agricultural classes, sent an email on Monday to a group of students informing them that he had submitted grades for their last three essay assignments of the semester. Everyone would be receiving an “X” in the course, Mumm explained, because he had used “Chat GTP” (the OpenAI chatbot is actually called “ChatGPT”) to test whether they’d used the software to write the papers — and the bot claimed to have authored every single one.

“I copy and paste your responses in [ChatGPT] and [it] will tell me if the program generated the content,” he wrote, saying he had tested each paper twice. He offered the class a makeup assignment to avoid the failing grade — which could otherwise, in theory, threaten their graduation status.

There’s just one problem: ChatGPT doesn’t work that way. The bot isn’t made to detect material composed by AI — or even material produced by itself — and is known to sometimes emit damaging misinformation. With very little prodding, ChatGPT will even claim to have written passages from famous novels such as Crime and Punishment. Educators can choose among a wide variety of effective AI and plagiarism detection tools to assess whether students have completed assignments themselves, including Winston AI and Content at Scale; ChatGPT is not among them. And OpenAI’s own tool for determining whether a text was written by a bot has been judged “not very accurate” by a digital marketing agency that recommends tech resources to businesses.

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Texas A&M Prof Flunks All His Students After ChatGPT Falsely Claims It Wrote Their Papers (Original Post) Nevilledog May 2023 OP
"Dr. Jared Mumm, a campus rodeo instructor who also teaches agricultural classes..." RockRaven May 2023 #1
The writer is being cruel Renew Deal May 2023 #5
Lovely. I admit I laughed Hekate May 2023 #18
It sounds like the rodeo instructor landed on head a few too many times DFW May 2023 #2
Too bad old Rick Perry couldn't... LudwigPastorius May 2023 #3
A rodeo is missing a clown Effete Snob May 2023 #4
Texas A&M is a big institution Trenzalore May 2023 #6
See reply 10. None of the detectors work well. highplainsdem May 2023 #11
Fucking Aggies. (nt) Paladin May 2023 #7
You know how to get an Aggie off of your porch? Dr. Strange May 2023 #12
hahahhaahah stealing obamanut2012 May 2023 #13
"campus rodeo instructor"?? tanyev May 2023 #8
ChatGPT may not detect plagiarism melm00se May 2023 #9
None of the AI detector tools work well. They all return a lot of false positives as highplainsdem May 2023 #10
"rodeo instructor"? WTAF? anarch May 2023 #14
Mock not, lest ye be mocked melm00se May 2023 #16
honestly, if anyone deserves to be mocked, it's me anarch May 2023 #17
Well, he didn't use AI for these papers dalton99a May 2023 #15

RockRaven

(14,990 posts)
1. "Dr. Jared Mumm, a campus rodeo instructor who also teaches agricultural classes..."
Wed May 17, 2023, 01:47 AM
May 2023

Fucking Texas, man, beyond parody...

With this substrate, what results do you expect?

DFW

(54,436 posts)
2. It sounds like the rodeo instructor landed on head a few too many times
Wed May 17, 2023, 01:52 AM
May 2023

He needs to be given a 50 year leave of absence. I hope the students sue both him and the school.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
6. Texas A&M is a big institution
Wed May 17, 2023, 07:19 AM
May 2023

You'd think the administrators there would have standard software that all the professors are instructed to use to detect such things.

tanyev

(42,603 posts)
8. "campus rodeo instructor"??
Wed May 17, 2023, 07:44 AM
May 2023

And the person from A&M couldn't believe it when I told her I wasn't interested in going there. I did pick them as one of the colleges to get my SAT scores because it was the right distance from home--close but not too close, if you know what I mean. Apparently my scores were good enough that they were interested. "Don't you want to discuss this with your parents?" she asked. "No, that won't be necessary," I said. Never regretted it.

melm00se

(4,994 posts)
9. ChatGPT may not detect plagiarism
Wed May 17, 2023, 07:46 AM
May 2023

There are other tools that do.

In grad school I had to submit all of my papers to one of those tools and it kicked back an "original work score".

Anything below a certain threshold, you had to produce all of you citations both primary and secondary sources for review.

I had to do that once and fortunately I keep meticulous records of my research so it was not a big deal but I can't say that about a couple folks from my cohort.

highplainsdem

(49,030 posts)
10. None of the AI detector tools work well. They all return a lot of false positives as
Wed May 17, 2023, 08:01 AM
May 2023

well as missing completely AI-generated text. They're being used anyway because teachers and schools are desperate.

Those tools are causing problems for writers, too, as they're sometimes wrongly accused of using AI, with people who paid for the writing demanding refunds or rewrites.

I've read that those detectors will also give different results if queried about the same text in different sessions.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
14. "rodeo instructor"? WTAF?
Wed May 17, 2023, 11:32 AM
May 2023

also what kind of essay would be involved for...uhh...college rodeo aspirants? "Why Riding a Bucking Horse is Important to Modern Society" or something? "The Historical Origins of Team Roping"?

anarch

(6,535 posts)
17. honestly, if anyone deserves to be mocked, it's me
Wed May 17, 2023, 12:50 PM
May 2023

I'm thinking (and hoping, really) that the essays were for some other class, not for the rodeo team. But still, the possibilities intrigue me..."What it Means to Me to be a Rodeo Clown"; "What I've Learned from Barrel Racing", etc.

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