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(70,732 posts)
Thu May 18, 2023, 08:00 AM May 2023

unpopular take-

obama shoulda kept rhambo on staff. he needed an assassin.
i think esp his 1st term would have been more productive if he’d stayed on. i know lots of folks here hate him. but i never did.
he wanted to make compromises to get the aca that would have sucked. took a lot of shit for it. but i still think rahm was plugged into the power structure in a way that obama rly needed. and he would have had his foot up his ass on a lot of things where it would have been helpful.

ya know, 1 of the things that i wonder about- i have millennial kids. 1 thing about the games they played that struck me was that every party needed a couple of bad guys. you need a burglar.
i always found that interesting. a nuanced idea, imho. and rooted in the reality of the world.
and i cant say as i’ve ever seen a more dangerous burglar. i’m glad he’s not my neighbor, but…

obama should have kept him. i can see what a pita it must have been to have him in the wh.
but i cant help imagining the political corpses he would have left lyin around, and i cant help dreaming.

we all say we want a dem w a spine, but we hate them when we meet them.

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(70,732 posts)
2. his actions afterward were 8 yrs as mayor of chgo.
Thu May 18, 2023, 08:22 AM
May 2023

i wouldnt take that job for all the tea in china. it is thankless. it is brutal. it is a very, very tough job. he didnt need it.
he was fairly good at it. if he had taken down the fop, like he could have, he likely would have been mayor for life. but it’s a job no one could do perfectly, ever.

he could have just sat back and gotten richer.


(58,785 posts)
10. Kinda one dimensional view isn't it? I can't even see a Rahm line,
Thu May 18, 2023, 11:12 AM
May 2023

so I guess it's understandable if the real man is undiscernible.

But I see someone to appreciate for what he is and why he's also deplored but never falls. Here's an at least two-dimensional view of some positives:

He's a Democrat and socially liberal and economically progressive. He's both economically competent and uses public funds as tools to address problems, especially those that have been growing for decades due to chronic underfunding. Subtracting the many places where our opinions might diverge, that's still a bottom line -- he falls on the right side of right. However pragmatic his approaches to problems, Democratic Party principles and his bosses (including voters) set boundaries that mostly contain him. And I just went and looked and found a huge dearth of claims that he's a corporate tool. He uses corporations.

He's enormously talented and capable, an achiever -- absolutely indispensable in public servants. Emanuel's been a mover and shaker behind more progressive achievements than anyone identifying as a capital-P Progressive because he applies his abilities from inside using inside power, including to help marshal outside power. I can (and have) sorta "forgiven" a lot for that. (Mind you, not something really bad like attempted election theft or mass deceit and betrayal of those who believed in him, but in this era it's important to note that Emanuel. has. never. done. anything. remotely. like. that.) But things like occasional mis- or inadequate handling of issues (Chicago has many huge, deeply embedded ones), in good part because of his record of both achievements and surviving to come through on others.

As for his style -- and that he's a liberal Democrat who can't be fit cozily into one group, can't be defined in a sentence, to me that's one of the best things about him. We always need differences, and the biggest, most important diversity to embrace is individualism in people. Few in public service epitomize "different" better than him.

My attitude is govern as if you've run your last race. That's not to say I've run my last race, but govern with a liberation and a freedom; change your mind frame to operate that way. ...

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

Rahm Emanuel


(70,732 posts)
4. you say that like it's a bad thing.
Thu May 18, 2023, 09:00 AM
May 2023

look, i dont want a party full of rahms. but we need a couple anyway.
obama suuuuure did.

and he did get elected twice as mayor after that. for not a politician, he sure knew how to get elected.


(37,082 posts)
6. Naw.
Thu May 18, 2023, 09:14 AM
May 2023

Good thing Nancy Pelosi counteracted his dumbassery regarding the ACA.

Also, #TeamDean and his 50 State Strategy.


(70,732 posts)
9. hey, howard dean STILL speaks for me.
Thu May 18, 2023, 10:31 AM
May 2023

yeah, dumping the 50 state strategy was bad. he was horrible at the dnc.
we would have taken il 6 in 06 but for him.
and yes, nancy was right. but i’m not sure she gets there w/o rahm to push back against. i’d bet she’d describe his input as valuable. i think she appreciates the loyal opposition.
i could b wrong.

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