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momta

(4,078 posts)
Thu May 18, 2023, 01:30 PM May 2023

STOP cheering about the Colorado Springs election

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217922988

Yeah, Wayne Williams is a piece of garbage, but Yemi Mobolade might be worse. He is an openly homophobic religious bigot. CS might not be as racist as the rest of the country, but they do LOVE their religious zealots who hate--and I mean HAAAAATE--LGBTQIA+ people.

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STOP cheering about the Colorado Springs election (Original Post) momta May 2023 OP
All it takes is one person to start an OP with misinformation... WarGamer May 2023 #1
And inthewind21 May 2023 #2
Indeed. momta May 2023 #3
If not more... WarGamer May 2023 #4
Sorry, I am celebrating pwb May 2023 #5
You are celebrating a man more RW, more homophobic than the GOP??? obamanut2012 May 2023 #10
The Guy Who Won... ProfessorGAC May 2023 #12
My point in my reply is that another republican by name lost. pwb May 2023 #14
Seems A Distinction Without A Difference ProfessorGAC May 2023 #15
jfc obamanut2012 May 2023 #23
You ought to see his mega church. Google the First Presbyterian Church of Colorado Springs. Autumn May 2023 #17
what about this? this seems to contradict the OP Celerity May 2023 #33
I've never heard him say that in his campaign commercials but we will see. But I trust his Autumn May 2023 #34
I have seen no proof at all (so far) from the OP or anyone else, so I shall withhold judgement until Celerity May 2023 #36
As requested: NullTuples May 2023 #38
None of that is actual proof of the claims of the OP and others. The 1st and 3rd links are just bog Celerity May 2023 #39
The links show he was a minister at the church after NullTuples May 2023 #41
I still see no direct evidence, and you appear to ignore his own recent statements and interviews Celerity May 2023 #43
Has he made a clear statement disowning his past? I don't trust conservative Christians. NullTuples May 2023 #44
What past? Show me actual proof where he himself personally acted in an anti-LGBTQ manner & fashion. Celerity May 2023 #45
He was a minister at a very anti-LGBTQ church - that's proof enough for me. NullTuples May 2023 #46
Where was he a minster at? Celerity May 2023 #47
There's a trend of far, far right wingers running as "independent" and/or "non-partisan" NullTuples May 2023 #18
k/r!! progressoid May 2023 #6
I still find it hilarious Sympthsical May 2023 #7
I know obamanut2012 May 2023 #8
K&R demmiblue May 2023 #9
People in this thread are celebrating him being elected obamanut2012 May 2023 #11
K and r. BlackSkimmer May 2023 #13
I'm guessing DUers didn't know or incorrectly assumed he is a Dem IronLionZion May 2023 #16
Hence inthewind21 May 2023 #19
This -- I hope. A whole thread of people HERE were cheering an "indie" Hortensis May 2023 #20
Yeah, a homophobe and also he's an Exxon man. ancianita May 2023 #21
links please Celerity May 2023 #35
Sorry. My mistake. I misread. It was, indeed, his father. ancianita May 2023 #40
Well Shit.. good o know. Cha May 2023 #22
For the first time ever a woman won the Philadelphia mayor primary Oppaloopa May 2023 #24
What has that got to do with topic of this OP? SharonClark May 2023 #25
Another first-timer, and women are half of all. Hortensis May 2023 #27
Well, we DON'T know, and that's actually the problem. Hortensis May 2023 #26
I am struggling finding any of the information people are talking about. chowder66 May 2023 #28
This section from Comment #15 (NullTuples) jumped out at me momta May 2023 #29
But his actions in the race seem more relevant than the church 11 years ago muriel_volestrangler May 2023 #30
Well, he'll have a real record after 4 years as mayor. Hortensis May 2023 #31
yes, I found the same article and posted it above (I did not see yours until now) I need actual Celerity May 2023 #37
It isn't clear where he stands on the church and how affiliated he is with it. chowder66 May 2023 #32
so what's the conclusion? ecstatic May 2023 #42

WarGamer

(12,354 posts)
1. All it takes is one person to start an OP with misinformation...
Thu May 18, 2023, 01:33 PM
May 2023

And it becomes a meme...

Kinda like "Driven across State lines by his mother with the AR-15 in the trunk"

pwb

(11,246 posts)
5. Sorry, I am celebrating
Thu May 18, 2023, 01:45 PM
May 2023

a republican losing. The heavily mega church community defeated a republican is my take on this.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
10. You are celebrating a man more RW, more homophobic than the GOP???
Thu May 18, 2023, 02:46 PM
May 2023

YOU ARE CELEBRATING A MORE EXTREME WINGNUT WHO HATES LGBT EVEN MORE.

JFC

I am just.... wow. And you publicly are admitting it and publicly cheering him on.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
12. The Guy Who Won...
Thu May 18, 2023, 02:49 PM
May 2023

...is a radical republican in all but name.
He ran as an independent because the republican wasn't radical enough.

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
17. You ought to see his mega church. Google the First Presbyterian Church of Colorado Springs.
Thu May 18, 2023, 03:31 PM
May 2023

He's a bigoted Independent ministry leader who is as bad as a Republican.

Celerity

(43,096 posts)
33. what about this? this seems to contradict the OP
Thu May 18, 2023, 08:34 PM
May 2023
https://thecatalystnews.com/2023/04/06/unpacking-the-colorado-springs-mayoral-candidates/

snip

My second interview was with Yemi Mobolade, an immigrant from Nigeria who moved here when he was seventeen to go to a liberal arts college, which he described as similar to Colorado College. Mobolade is an independent who believes strongly in progressive social policies, such as supporting non-English speaking populations, making Colorado Springs more diverse, and supporting and uplifting the queer community.

Mobolade is socially liberal but stands in the moderate to conservative zone of fiscal ideology. He said he would take after Theodore’s Roosevelt’s “bully pulpit” and lead by example, as opposed to making laws to deal with developers and other similar situations in the Springs. He said he would bring organizations run by the LGBTQ+ community, communities of color, and general diversity to the table so that his mayoral office represents everyone.


Autumn

(44,980 posts)
34. I've never heard him say that in his campaign commercials but we will see. But I trust his
Thu May 18, 2023, 08:50 PM
May 2023

mega church as far as I can pick up that huge building and throw it.

Celerity

(43,096 posts)
36. I have seen no proof at all (so far) from the OP or anyone else, so I shall withhold judgement until
Thu May 18, 2023, 08:59 PM
May 2023

I see some.

If he is as bad as so many are now saying, then, sure, fuck him and the horse he rode in. but I am not there yet.

Actual concrete evidence would be nice.

Celerity

(43,096 posts)
39. None of that is actual proof of the claims of the OP and others. The 1st and 3rd links are just bog
Thu May 18, 2023, 09:57 PM
May 2023

standard bios, and his name is not mentioned in the middle article, in good part because it is 11 years old (2012), before he ever worked there (2015-17, as an outreach director).

Also, in rebuttal to the OP, others have already posted actual evidence that seems to possibly contradict the charges, and at least it is closer to actual evidence than what you put up:








NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
41. The links show he was a minister at the church after
Fri May 19, 2023, 01:05 AM
May 2023

it split off from the national church organization. The split occurred because the Colorado Springs church refused to stop hating LGBTQ people. Now, why would he do that if he was an ally?

Celerity

(43,096 posts)
43. I still see no direct evidence, and you appear to ignore his own recent statements and interviews
Fri May 19, 2023, 01:56 AM
May 2023

that seem to contradict the framing you are trying to erect. Plus there is the GLAAD (one of the most prominent US LGBT groups) National President, Sarah Kate Ellis, speaking positively about him.

Until I see real, concrete evidence that he is an actual anti-LGBTQ malevolent actor, I am not jumping on any bandwagon to rip him apart.

If he is as you and the OP claim, then he can fuck right off, but until I see the receipts, I remain unconvinced.

As a lesbian of colour (so the treble for discrimination: black, female, queer), I am unfortunately well too aware of evidence-free attacks, so I would be quite the hypocrite to start doing it myself.



Celerity

(43,096 posts)
45. What past? Show me actual proof where he himself personally acted in an anti-LGBTQ manner & fashion.
Fri May 19, 2023, 11:14 AM
May 2023

You and others are just erecting a frame based off no concrete proof.

And you also continue to ignore the actual evidence to the contrary of what you and the OP claim.

Done here until you show me actual evidence of the frame you have constructed.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
18. There's a trend of far, far right wingers running as "independent" and/or "non-partisan"
Thu May 18, 2023, 03:32 PM
May 2023

Either because Republicans are not far enough to the right, or simply to be dishonest and take advantage of people who - as many here on DU did - assume that if someone is not a Republican they must be a Democrat. It started with Sheriffs, moved on to school boards and similar very local elected positions. And it worked beautifully. Without party affiliation, voters tend to project far more onto a candidate to be what they want them to be rather than spend the time researching their actual stance on various issues that matter. In other words, all that matters is image, and a skilled con can stay just vague enough that people will see what they want to see.

Sympthsical

(9,037 posts)
7. I still find it hilarious
Thu May 18, 2023, 02:04 PM
May 2023

Just one of the funniest instances of "completely didn't read it" I've encountered to date.

obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
11. People in this thread are celebrating him being elected
Thu May 18, 2023, 02:47 PM
May 2023

Even knowing his background, just to "own the GOP."

God.

This dude is worse than teh MAGAT GOPer.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
20. This -- I hope. A whole thread of people HERE were cheering an "indie"
Thu May 18, 2023, 03:34 PM
May 2023

defeating whoever the Democratic candidates were...

As for this thread, I hope it's very overstated for CS's sake. We do often get excitable and run off cliffs here with bits of what we like to think are information. Amaf, the "Nigerian prince" comes to mind...

Celerity

(43,096 posts)
35. links please
Thu May 18, 2023, 08:52 PM
May 2023

His father worked in Nigeria for Exxon, I see no record (so far) of he himself doing so, and post 33 has an article that seems to contradict the homophobic charges.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemi_Mobolade

Mobolade is from Lagos, Nigeria. Mobolade's father worked in finance for ExxonMobil while his mother was a high school teacher. He has an older brother and two younger sisters.

In August 1996, Mobolade immigrated to the United States. He graduated from Bethel University in 2001. He earned a master's degree from Indiana Wesleyan University in management and leadership and a Master of Divinity from the A.W. Tozer Theological Seminary at Simpson University.

In 2010, Mobolade settled in Colorado Springs, Colorado. He co-founded two restaurants, founded a church within the Christian and Missionary Alliance, and was a ministry leader at the First Presbyterian Church of Colorado Springs between 2015 and 2017. Mobolade was the vice president of business retention for Colorado Springs' chamber of commerce from 2017 to 2019 and small business development manager for Colorado Springs from 2019 to 2022.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Well, we DON'T know, and that's actually the problem.
Thu May 18, 2023, 04:33 PM
May 2023

There's little information on this man. He's a minister, highly religious, but beyond that takes deeper digging than a quick survey offers. OF COURSE, the people of Colorado Springs don't all, or I'm sure even most, "LOVE their religious zealots who hate--and I mean HAAAAATE--LGBTQIA+ people."

CS's GE ballot offered TWELVE mayoral candidates, with no party affiliation listed. And of course most people didn't know more than a couple, some not that many. I opened several sites and still have no idea which mayoral candidates were Democrats, much less solid liberal choices, and I'm sure by far most CS citizens didn't either.

Williams at 19% was the leading Republican and was much better funded. Mobolade was elected by 29.8%.

Yemi Mobolade 32,429 29.81%
Wayne Williams 20,908 19.22%
Sallie Clark 19,384 17.82%
Darryl Glenn 9,470 8.70%
Longinos Gonzalez Jr. 8,622 7.93%
John Tig Tiegen 5,405 4.97%
Andrew Dalby 4,825 4.44%
Tom Strand 2,597 2.39%
Lawrence Joseph Martinez 1,823 1 .68%
Christopher Mitchell 1,248 1.15%
Kallan Reece Rodebaugh 1,129 1.04%
Jim Miller 948 0.87%

TOTAL VOTES CAST FOR MAYOR 108,788

BaptistNews.com: "Williams outspent Mobolade, running ads calling his opponent a dangerous “socialist” with a “radical Left” agenda who would use tax dollars to “engineer equitable outcomes.” It didn’t work. One GOP activist said Mobolade, who was not affiliated with a political party, successfully won nearly all Democrats, most unaffiliated voters and a surprising number of white evangelical Republicans, including many who had voted twice for Donald Trump.

Mobolade told the Colorado Springs Gazette his victory shows a popular hunger for a new, nonpartisan form of leadership in a city familiar with Christian culture warriors: “The hunger is for a vision that transcends political party lines. The tiredness and frustration in our city and in our nation is around partisan divide and the fighting that happens. … People are just ready for a new type of leadership that puts our quality of life ahead of party politics.”"

chowder66

(9,054 posts)
28. I am struggling finding any of the information people are talking about.
Thu May 18, 2023, 05:01 PM
May 2023

Maybe I'm not understanding but it seems he once was associated with an extremist church to help the elderly.

I did find this....

With Club Q still temporarily closed, the Icons owners hope to see more gay bars open in the Springs to form a proper queer neighborhood. The couple says they’re also looking to the upcoming mayoral election on April 4 as a sign of how inclusive local politics will be towards queer voices. Case in point: Mayoral candidate Yemi Mobolade contacted Icons to host a meet- and-greet there in late January—the first time, to Franklin and Wolfe’s knowledge, that a local candidate has worked with a gay venue to engage with the LGBTQ+ community. Franklin and Wolfe plan on hosting another event with Mobolade close to Election Day.

https://www.5280.com/how-colorado-springs-only-operating-queer-bar-is-coping-with-the-aftermath-of-the-club-q-shooting/

momta

(4,078 posts)
29. This section from Comment #15 (NullTuples) jumped out at me
Thu May 18, 2023, 05:18 PM
May 2023

"I focus on the power of story, your why and purpose, diversity, collaboration and collective impact, city gospel movements, kingdom unity, overcoming the sacred-secular divide, the mission of the church, organizational leadership and culture, strategic thinking and doing, and leadership development. I am completely fascinated with the personhood, life, ministry, and impact of Jesus"

"Yemi moved to Colorado Springs to start a church and later served at First Presbyterian Church of Colorado Springs as a ministry leader to care for people and empower them."

From christianpost.com:

His "megachurch" of 4,000 votes chose in 2012 to split from the Presbyterian Church USA:

"We don't feel that the PC(USA), the way its structured, is really supporting the local churches in their outreach Kingdom building efforts."

Rev. Rory A. Gillespie, pastor First Presbyterian Church of Lamar, told CP that not only is he supportive of First Presbyterian's efforts but that his congregation is also planning to leave.

"The ordination of sexually active gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people certainly has been the tipping point, but we are leaving because of decades-long struggles with an increasingly liberal denomination,"

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
30. But his actions in the race seem more relevant than the church 11 years ago
Thu May 18, 2023, 06:03 PM
May 2023

see eg

My second interview was with Yemi Mobolade, an immigrant from Nigeria who moved here when he was seventeen to go to a liberal arts college, which he described as similar to Colorado College. Mobolade is an independent who believes strongly in progressive social policies, such as supporting non-English speaking populations, making Colorado Springs more diverse, and supporting and uplifting the queer community.

Mobolade is socially liberal but stands in the moderate to conservative zone of fiscal ideology. He said he would take after Theodore’s Roosevelt’s “bully pulpit” and lead by example, as opposed to making laws to deal with developers and other similar situations in the Springs. He said he would bring organizations run by the LGBTQ+ community, communities of color, and general diversity to the table so that his mayoral office represents everyone.

https://thecatalystnews.com/2023/04/06/unpacking-the-colorado-springs-mayoral-candidates/

The president and CEO of GLAAD seems happy:




"and the first Black mayor-elect of Colorado Springs, Yemi Mobolade, who promised "an inclusive, culturally rich, economically prosperous, safe and vibrant city” - messages that resonated with LGBTQ voters in the aftermath of ClubQ (2/2)"

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. Well, he'll have a real record after 4 years as mayor.
Thu May 18, 2023, 07:10 PM
May 2023

I hope he'll be a good one.

This man's 45 years old -- mature with a history. It should be available and examined, but if his representations aren't compatible with and supported by his history...vote for someone else. Kind of late for that, though. And, of course, "mayor" is no job for amateurs.

Imo, it's not necessarily a tragedy if he turns out to be more conservative (just not hard core) than those on the left were lead to believe and/or just hoped. That's actually a fairly common outcome. Many in minority factions especially are typically thrilled to have a viable candidate of "their own" to vote for, don't require proof of positions, and are fairly often disappointed after electing whoever's been schmoozing them to discover they've been mislead.

If he can be a good mayor for the whole city, it'll work. It's an intensely practical job, good performance by most measures pretty much ruling out serving any ideological extreme, neither "hate city" nor unrealistic goals for any narrow issue, but rather improving, developing, meeting common needs.

One thing about this guy is that he apparently drew from across the electorate -- farther left, liberal left/Democrats, indies, Republicans, so he obviously projects the leadership he says is very important. He says he wants to make the city as fine as its setting.

Celerity

(43,096 posts)
37. yes, I found the same article and posted it above (I did not see yours until now) I need actual
Thu May 18, 2023, 09:05 PM
May 2023

evidence before I roast this bloke. If he is as bad as so many say, then. yes, he can sod the fuck off, but some actual concrete proof would be nice.

chowder66

(9,054 posts)
32. It isn't clear where he stands on the church and how affiliated he is with it.
Thu May 18, 2023, 08:21 PM
May 2023

I can't tell if he is still with the church or just works with the church through his other mission/outreach efforts.

He does support the LGBTQ community and is described as leaning progressive - at least for Colorado Springs.

The article about the church split is from 2012. He worked for the church from 2015 to 2017 and it seemed like he was focused more community outreach missions, helping people. He may not support anyone but men holding clergy roles. Maybe he is walking a different path while still staying connected to the church and trying to bring tolerance back to them. It's not clear but his LGBTQ statements were published and people voted for him.

My second interview was with Yemi Mobolade, an immigrant from Nigeria who moved here when he was seventeen to go to a liberal arts college, which he described as similar to Colorado College. Mobolade is an independent who believes strongly in progressive social policies, such as supporting non-English speaking populations, making Colorado Springs more diverse, and supporting and uplifting the queer community.

Mobolade is socially liberal but stands in the moderate to conservative zone of fiscal ideology. He said he would take after Theodore’s Roosevelt’s “bully pulpit” and lead by example, as opposed to making laws to deal with developers and other similar situations in the Springs. He said he would bring organizations run by the LGBTQ+ community, communities of color, and general diversity to the table so that his mayoral office represents everyone.

https://thecatalystnews.com/2023/04/06/unpacking-the-colorado-springs-mayoral-candidates/


City Engagement/Outreach Director
First Presbyterian Church of Colorado Springs
Jul 2015 - Jul 2017 2 years 1 month
Colorado Springs, Colorado Area
Responsible for stimulating and nurturing a culture of mission and service among church members, staff, and volunteers to help meet the physical and emotional needs in the city. Mobilized, equipped, and provided opportunities for over 2,000 people to serve the community.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/yemimobolade


Chalfin: In your acceptance speech, Tuesday night, you said that Colorado Springs will become an inclusive, culturally rich, economically prosperous, safe, and vibrant city on a hill that shines brightly. Elaborate a little bit on that.

Mobolade: Each one of those aspects are an important part of quality of life. We talk about being an inclusive city. That is one of the strong messages of my campaign that the neighborhoods of our city will have a voice at the city and the decisions that impact them and including members of our community that consistently felt on the outs. Inclusive also means transitioning us from being a city for the few to a city for the many, not just special interests.

One of the marks of a great city is when you welcome diverse cultures, it actually has economic development implications, to bring in more jobs and attract more talent. And so you see growth happening even with upcoming events like Juneteenth that's coming up here soon. And Fiestas Patrias, which I was a part of last year. So, when I say culturally rich, understanding our city is growing and becoming more diverse and to welcome it and embrace it. We've talked about safety being on the top of our minds. Being economically prosperous, ensuring that people have access to jobs, higher-paying jobs you need to live in this community. And if we do all four things well, we will be vibrant.


Chalfin: You moved to Colorado Springs to start a church, and you also served as a ministry leader at First Presbyterian Church here in Colorado Springs. Religion and the Republican Party are generally thought of as going hand in hand. How have you navigated to separate church and politics or how has that served you going into politics?

Mobolade: COSILoveYou is an organization I co-founded, and what we've successfully done is unite diverse churches together. What we've done is to serve the city, no strings attached. Faith is an inspiration to do good for me and not to promote hate. The values of kindness and empathy and humility and courage to do the right thing. That's what faith does. And that's part of my leadership and it informs how I will be leading. Not so much from looking at politics and government from a religious experience. There’s a place for that in our community. We need our faith communities, our faith sectors, from all faiths, because they connect us to a higher power.

But, the work of government is different. What we can draw from them, from faith, is the values that keep us grounded and help us to be good humans and to see each other and to restore truth, beauty, and goodness in every single person.


https://www.cpr.org/2023/05/18/colorado-springs-mayor-elect-yemi-mobolade-interview/

He is not quoted in this article. It is about his church if he's still involved, however. He may not have been a congregant at that time.

CP CHURCH & MINISTRIES | MONDAY, MARCH 05, 2012
https://www.christianpost.com/news/colorado-megachurch-of-4000-votes-to-split-from-pc-usa.html

ecstatic

(32,650 posts)
42. so what's the conclusion?
Fri May 19, 2023, 01:47 AM
May 2023

I'm seeing wildly contradictory portrayals of this guy? If your OP isn't true, maybe self delete?

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