Is it true Florida no longer recognizes drivers licenses from other states?

[CatWoman]

Link to tweet

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[royable]

1. Why do the several postings I've seen on this issue...

...show Twitter content where the Twitter author uses the term “illegals”? Are these Twitter authors right wingers? I find it jarring to read on DU and I wonder whether the Twitter authors are questioning some of their accepted RW ideology.

[Mariana]

3. I doubt this is a true story. It reads like bad fiction.

[CatWoman]

4. the author of that tweet called them illegal

and he was all about supporting DeSantis until the policies affected "his" 'illegals'

[BlackSkimmer]

17. This is bull hockey.

First I see a thread about DeSantis banning circumcisions, now this.

People need to stop posting fake crap because there is more than enough REAL crap that he is doing that needs attention.

[roamer65]

2. Elderly MAGAts from Florida.

Get ready. You’re gonna be bussing tables, picking crops, washing cars, mowing lawns and gardening soon. Those will just be side jobs for your main job as a Walmart greeter. Work requirements for ALL benefits, as McCarthy stated clearly.

[WarGamer]

12. ALL benefits? Got a link?

[roamer65]

13. ...

Link to tweet

Yup. He said it. “ALL the programs.”

[WarGamer]

19. found details here

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/tougher-work-requirements-federal-aid-programs-pose-obstacle-debt-limi-rcna84778

The debt ceiling bill House Republicans passed last month, which was negotiated between GOP members and approved along party lines, would expand work requirements for some federal aid programs, including Medicaid and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, a program that provides grocery aid. The proposal has drawn a backlash from many Democrats who oppose such provisions.

So specifically he's talking about Medicaid and SNAP in relation to employment status...

Pretty mean, if you ask me.

But saying ALL benefits seems to imply going after Social Security... as a post earlier said.

[BlackSkimmer]

21. Sure thing. That's what he's going to do all right. Uh huh.

Make everyone in the Villages and all the other retirees in Florida get a job.


Yep, that's the plan.

If you believe that, I've got some oceanfront property you might be interested in.

Give me a break.

[roamer65]

25. I didn't expect you to get the implied sarcasm.

Some people are just too literal.

[CatWoman]

32. i made the mistake of taking her off ignore

time to *poof* her again

[roamer65]

33. ...

[rsdsharp]

5. Article IV §1

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

I think they are going to refuse to recognize out-of-state drivers licenses of undocumented immigrants. They would probably argue that it violates their public policy to do so, but given that it impacts the right to travel, and potentially interstate commerce, I think they would lose.

[GregariousGroundhog]

15. I don't think drivers licenses fall under the Full Faith and Credit Clause

A license is not an act, a record, nor a proceeding. For example, having a license to practice medicine or law in one state doesn't automatically give you the right to practice it in another state. There is an Interstate Medical Licensure Compact that allows someone to easily transfer their license between the 38 states which participate in it. To the best of my knowledge, isn't a similar compact for lawyers; each state bar has to negotiate reciprocity with other bars on its own.

That said, the federal government may (or may not) have at some point used the Interstate Commerce clause to require states to recognize non-resident driver's licenses. The federal government may also try to argue that Florida is creating immigration policy, which is a power enumerated to the federal government.

[rsdsharp]

23. So you think your drivers license isn't good in every state in the union?

You think your marriage license isn’t good in every state in the union?

A drivers license is most assuredly a record, and is covered by full faith and credit.

[Kennah]

27. Yes and no

The Driver License Compact replaced both the Driver License Agreement and the Non-Resident Violator Compact.

Short answer, it gets complicated.

https://www.aamva.org/topics/driver-license-compact?#?wst=4a3b89462cc2cff2cbe0c7accde57421

"The Driver License Compact (DLC) was created to provide uniformity among member jurisdictions when exchanging information with other members on convictions, records, licenses, withdrawals, and other data pertinent to the licensing process. Uniformity helps ease administrative costs and meets the underlying tenet of the agreement that each driver nationwide have only one driver license and one driver control record."

There are lots of exceptions in the exchange of info.

If FF&C alone were enough, the states never would have gone the route of the DLA, NRVC, and DLC.

[rsdsharp]

28. It doesn't relate to the validity of the out-of-state license.

It’s basically for law enforcement administrative purposes, for its “membership.”

[TheProle]

5. Summarized

Invalidation of Out of State Driver’s Licenses

Fla. Stat. §322.033 is another brand new statute aimed at preventing undocumented individuals from using out-of-state driver’s licenses in the state of Florida. States have control over who is issued a driver’s license authorizing them to drive within their state. Every state recognizes driver’s licenses from other states, allowing a licensed driver from a different state to drive within the home state. So, for example, thousands of tourists drive into Florida each year to vacation. Florida authorizes those drivers to lawfully drive in Florida if they have a valid out of state driver’s license. Some of those states issue driver’s licenses to individuals who are in the United States without authorization. §322.033 makes those licenses invalid. If an undocumented individual has a license issued by another state that is a class of license issued exclusively to undocumented immigrants who are unable to prove lawful presence, that license will not be recognized by the State of Florida and that person will be issued a citation for driving without a license. The Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles (“DHSMV”) will maintain a list on its website of out-of-state licenses that are invalid.

https://www.floridaimmigrationlawyerblog.com/floridas-new-immigration-laws-summarized-statute-by-statute/

[CatWoman]

9. ty Prole

[TheProle]

11. You bet. Have a great weekend.

[kentuck]

7. This post brings back an unpleasant memory from many years ago when I was busted in GA...

I had just moved to GA and had bought a Camaro off a car lot and they had left the FL plates on the car and I had a KY drivers license. I was stopped on the way to my new job by a motorcycle cop and they called for a squad car to take me down to the East Point jail. (The only time I was ever in jail. It took me a couple of hours to make bail.)

"So, you're driving in GA with a FL plate and you have a KY driver's license, he asked?)

[CatWoman]

34. poor Kentuck

glad you made it out of there ok

on another note, Florida just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

It's almost as if DeSantis is trying to single handedly destroy his state, using the Elon Musk model.

[KT2000]

8. Happened in my community

We had "over zealous" Border Patrol. (One of them tried to strangle his supervisor in a meeting and they think hard working Hispanic people are the problem!)
They constantly harassed the Hispanic people everywhere they were. They would sit outside the Hispanic grocery store, watch them with binoculars where they worked. People who did not want to be harassed like this left and now there are severe shortages where they used to work - hospital, nursing homes, landscaping, farm workers etc. I am sure they have a much better quality of life elsewhere. Now the complaint is that no one wants to work because there are worker shortages.

[CatWoman]

35. I remember when Georgia pulled that, during the Bush Jr. administration

as soon as the law was passed, those it targeted got the hell out of dodge. fruits and vegetables literally rotted on the vines. there was no one left to pick them and most americans are unwilling to do such tedious and back breaking work.

this thing seems to come in cycles.

[WarGamer]

10. No, it's not.

They're simply refusing to accept licenses issued by other states that allow undoc immigrants to have a DL.

[BlackSkimmer]

18. Thank you.

First the circumcision thread, now this.

[WarGamer]

20. sigh...

Come one... you know the Drivers license was drivrn across state lines, by his mom with an AR15 in the trunk leaving Florida to go to New Jersey for a circumcision.

[BlackSkimmer]

22. Lol!

I still remember when someone posted here many years ago that Nancy Reagan had endorsed Hillary back in 2008.

And people believed it.

Perhaps she's involved?

[WarGamer]

24. Social media has made it worse...

People always want to believe fringe CT nonsense they read on Twitter.

Remember RF transmitters in the COVID vaccines, a plan hatched by Bill Gates and George Soros?

FEMA camps

[BlackSkimmer]

31. Death panels. Or did that precede the internet?

I do find it really odd how many believe that if it is on the internet, it MUST be true.

[mn9driver]

14. I think Article IV specifically prohibits Florida from refusing to recognize other states' drivers

Licences. When this goes to the Supreme Court it should be overturned. But that presumes the court isn’t corrupt. And of course this will all take a long time. And I have been known to be wrong about this stuff

[Trenzalore]

16. Some states issue licenses to people.here illegally

The new law says they won't recognize licenses if the person does not have legitimate immigration status

[Hortensis]

26. Yup. Not accepted as primary ID.

A number of states to FL's north, including VA, NY, MA, issue driver's licenses to undocumented applicants. And a good number of others. This is to get them, of course.

Although there are arguments to supposedly justify, agree or no, this is part of a pattern of targeted persecution.

(Pepe, wherever you are, I hope you're doing well.)

[dalton99a]

29. FWIW

Last edited Fri May 19, 2023, 07:31 PM - Edit history (1)

https://volokh.com/posts/1184739962.shtml

A reader asks:

Could you possibly cover the subject of states recognizing other state licenses? I have a driver's license from state A that state B must recognize. I have a marriage license from state A that state B must recognize. I have a carry license from state A that state B refuses to recognize. Why? How can this be changed?

The Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution generally requires states to recognize out-of-state court judgments. There is, if I recall correctly, some authority (though not completely clear) that a state must also recognize out-of-state marriages.

But the Constitution otherwise leaves each state with the authority to decide who is licensed to do what within that state. Congress may in many situations preempt such licensing with federal legislation. If the activity is constitutionally protected, a state by definition may not interfere with it through a discretionary licensing scheme -- a state may not, for instance, require a discretionary license to publish newspapers (though it may sometimes require speakers to get licenses that must be issued under content-neutral conditions, for instance parade permits). And in some situations, if the activity is interstate and a licensing requirement will gravely and without adequate justification burden the activity, the state rule may violate the dormant Commerce Clause. But those are exceptions; the rule is that a state decides for itself who is licensed to do things there.

Thus, a state has no constitutional obligation to recognize driver's licenses from other states. I'm not sure whether there's some federal law mandating such recognition, or whether states just do it as a matter of "comity," which is to say out of a desire to work well with other states (and to get reciprocity for their own citizens). But in any event, such recognition was a democratic choice, not a constitutional command. Likewise, states can often do refuse to recognize out-of-state professional licenses, such as licenses to practice law or medicine.

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Florida refuses to accept out-of-state driver licenses that have wordings like "Federal Limits Apply" (California), "Not Valid for Federal Identification, Voting or Public Benefit Purposes" (Colorado), "Not for Federal Identification" (Vermont), "Not Valid for Identification" (Utah), etc.

[Mr.Bill]

30. When California started issuing DLs to

undocumented people, they pointed out that they need that to get insurance. Since you have to have insurance to purchase a car at a dealership, it also gave them more ability to buy a car.

[NowISeetheLight]

36. Economy

Just waiting for the Florida agricultural economy to collapse.