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milestogo

(23,201 posts)
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:17 AM May 2023

Does DeSantis know that there are intersex people?

1.7% of the population are born with intersex traits. Their gender is ambiguous. This is a scientific fact.

Gender is not "assigned at birth" for everyone. I don't think parents should be forced to put their infants under the knife to make things clearer for those who can't tolerate this.

It scares me that people who are ignorant of the facts get to make policy.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/10/its-intersex-awareness-day-here-are-5-myths-we-need-to-shatter/

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Does DeSantis know that there are intersex people? (Original Post) milestogo May 2023 OP
Hell, many of them don't even know how babies are made Walleye May 2023 #1
DeSantis is a whiny little weirdo. yardwork May 2023 #2
Trans men Danascot May 2023 #3
Do you think he gives a shit? WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #4
Yes malaise May 2023 #5
I think...... Takket May 2023 #6
He is a highly educated lawyer pfitz59 May 2023 #7
Yep grantcart May 2023 #12
Looks like he plans to stay "crazy right". pandr32 May 2023 #19
Not to mention every possible mix of enjoyments of sex. Hortensis May 2023 #8
The problem is the vagueness discourages doctors localroger May 2023 #10
Absolutely -- in the short term. One way and another, this will Hortensis May 2023 #16
All it takes to start the reversal of these stupid laws is for people to follow the law sanatanadharma May 2023 #9
I have a friend born with no reproductive parts. LakeArenal May 2023 #11
Turner Syndrome? TexasBushwhacker May 2023 #26
I don't know. I met this person as an adult. LakeArenal May 2023 #32
He doesn't care. KentuckyWoman May 2023 #13
I like the term "registered at birth" for gender elias7 May 2023 #14
long form birth certificate????? Does obama still have options???? dembotoz May 2023 #27
I always thought multigraincracker May 2023 #15
Hehehe! paleotn May 2023 #21
Desantis is simply ignorant. He doesn't know very much about anything except hatred. NNadir May 2023 #17
What about when my husband needs to help our quadriplegic daughter in a public deurbano May 2023 #18
Over two decades ago, my late friend and faithful DU'er Betty, kept asking, "And niyad May 2023 #23
Biology is messy. There are no clean, neat cubbyholes. paleotn May 2023 #20
Now don't go pudding thoughts in his thick head..... Blue Owl May 2023 #22
DeSantis doesn't know much of anything, other than GoCubsGo May 2023 #24
Would he care if he did? Honestly he wouldn't. Biophilic May 2023 #25
Time to just make everything gender neutral MichMan May 2023 #28
Do you think it would matter 1 bit if he did? Dave says May 2023 #29
Doesn't know and doesn't care LostOne4Ever May 2023 #30
The bill expressly covers that. Ms. Toad May 2023 #31
Thank you. milestogo May 2023 #33

malaise

(297,949 posts)
5. Yes
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:32 AM
May 2023

I know of two such persons. Nothing is black and white - nature is full of grey areas.

But these cruel fuckers have terrorized others for as long as we know them.

Takket

(23,803 posts)
6. I think......
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:33 AM
May 2023

1. He has never heard that word before.
2. If he has heard that word he finds it laughable, bullshit, and "woke".
3. He would have intersex persons jailed as child abusers if he had the chance.

pfitz59

(12,928 posts)
7. He is a highly educated lawyer
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:36 AM
May 2023

playing the rubes for power. He knows, but also knows his base is clueless.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
12. Yep
Sun May 21, 2023, 11:47 AM
May 2023

Graduated cum laude from Yale where he was captain of the baseball team and cum laude from Harvard Law.

He is Nixonian. Going crazy right to get the nomination.

pandr32

(14,307 posts)
19. Looks like he plans to stay "crazy right".
Sun May 21, 2023, 12:10 PM
May 2023

His thoughts become his actions. His actions become his values.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Not to mention every possible mix of enjoyments of sex.
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:38 AM
May 2023

Those bouncing off the ceilings about homosexuality etc NEVER mention the far greater numbers who are fine with mixing it up even if they have a preference.

As Pfitz said, I'm sure. They keep issues simple to not introduce confusion into opposition and the targets clearly defined and small enough to appear weak and defeatable. Such as not weakening their simplistic rhetoric with intersex realities.

Btw, the few laws I've actually read do keep medically necessary surgery legal. Vague, but I assume corrective surgeries for gender anomalies at birth would tend to fall under that. An intersex population wouldn't serve their black-or-white reactionary "ideology."

localroger

(3,782 posts)
10. The problem is the vagueness discourages doctors
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:59 AM
May 2023

Even if a procedure might be technically legal, if there is doubt there might not be a doctor willing to perform the procedure because of the risk of prosecution. This is the problem with clearly lethal and unviable pregnancies in states with abortion bans.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Absolutely -- in the short term. One way and another, this will
Sun May 21, 2023, 11:56 AM
May 2023

be, and is being, fixed to facilitate medically necessary surgeries, with states looking to each other and medical associations for help in defining what's legal. For many, including surgeons, it's extremely personal and extremely important.

And of course court cases will also force revision or repeal of unworkable laws.

Until WE "repeal" the knuckledraggers inexcusably allowed the power to pass them.

sanatanadharma

(4,090 posts)
9. All it takes to start the reversal of these stupid laws is for people to follow the law
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:47 AM
May 2023

A deliberate 'obedience' of the law by individuals such as pictured above (with lawyers) making a point of disagreement with the law; and of course, the reverse.

If gun-culture can intimidate society, then reality-culture can 'brandish' also in support of inclusion-culture.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
11. I have a friend born with no reproductive parts.
Sun May 21, 2023, 11:18 AM
May 2023

No public bathroom for them I guess.

No romantic life and a non-childbearing life for them I guess if Republicans had their way.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
32. I don't know. I met this person as an adult.
Sun May 21, 2023, 02:20 PM
May 2023

I only know what I’ve been told bit by bit over the years.

I don’t ask anything beyond what I’m told.

KentuckyWoman

(7,417 posts)
13. He doesn't care.
Sun May 21, 2023, 11:53 AM
May 2023

None of them give one flaming twit about anyone's gender. I doubt they even care about other wealthy white "christian" hetero males let alone anyone else. Not other men of any sort, certainly not women.

What they care about is using the wedge of the day to keep us divided and increase personal power and wealth. All the rest is just made up bull feathers.

elias7

(4,229 posts)
14. I like the term "registered at birth" for gender
Sun May 21, 2023, 11:53 AM
May 2023

Assigned makes it sound like an arbitrary and authoritative decision from a “doctor” who wields the power of gender assignment like a magic wand.

 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
27. long form birth certificate????? Does obama still have options????
Sun May 21, 2023, 01:06 PM
May 2023

the moron right never accepted his birth certificate

deurbano

(3,008 posts)
18. What about when my husband needs to help our quadriplegic daughter in a public
Sun May 21, 2023, 12:08 PM
May 2023

bathroom? Do they arrest him in the Women's or her in the Men's?

niyad

(134,034 posts)
23. Over two decades ago, my late friend and faithful DU'er Betty, kept asking, "And
Sun May 21, 2023, 12:23 PM
May 2023

which bathroom am I supposed to take my quad husband into? " There were very few unisex bathrooms back then, even in CA.

paleotn

(22,737 posts)
20. Biology is messy. There are no clean, neat cubbyholes.
Sun May 21, 2023, 12:16 PM
May 2023

The sooner 50% of our population accepts that the better. They also need to embrace the concept of MOB (mind own business) and they'll have plenty to keep them busy. Someone else's, particularly someone they don't even know, gender and sexuality has zero impact on them. It's simply none of their damn business.

GoCubsGo

(35,000 posts)
24. DeSantis doesn't know much of anything, other than
Sun May 21, 2023, 12:23 PM
May 2023

how to be a cruel, hateful bag of shit.

Biophilic

(6,680 posts)
25. Would he care if he did? Honestly he wouldn't.
Sun May 21, 2023, 12:25 PM
May 2023

The only people he cares about are himself, his wife (maybe) and possibly his children, but if I were his kids I wouldn’t count on it. He is totally focused in Making Ron Great.

MichMan

(17,393 posts)
28. Time to just make everything gender neutral
Sun May 21, 2023, 01:16 PM
May 2023

All bathrooms, locker rooms, sports, everything. Separate but equal doctrine was dismissed long ago.

Ms. Toad

(38,824 posts)
31. The bill expressly covers that.
Sun May 21, 2023, 02:04 PM
May 2023

(9)(a) “Sex-reassignment prescriptions or procedures”
108 means:
109 . . . .
122 (b) The term does not include:
123 1. Treatment provided by a physician who, in his or her
124 good faith clinical judgment, performs procedures upon or
125 provides therapies to a minor born with a medically verifiable
126 genetic disorder of sexual development, including any of the
127 following:
128 a. External biological sex characteristics that are
129 unresolvably ambiguous.
130 b. A disorder of sexual development in which the physician
131 has determined through genetic or biochemical testing that the
132 patient does not have a normal sex chromosome structure, sex
133 steroid hormone production, or sex steroid hormone action for a
134 male or female, as applicable.

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