I know this will shock some people that I posted this.

[sheshe2]

I am not and have never been a fan of Bernie Sanders...However this is one of the best speeches ever.

Go to the link and listen to this segment of Sanders speech as I am unable to copy the video. I know the whole segment is available on utube, however this segment is a must see. It is CLEAR and Concise and on point.

This is a good explanation of the Debt Limit for people who don't know much about it. Bernie gave this presser about 6 hours ago. Pass it around to those who might not know yet or still not believe what's going on. I've found even R's sometimes listen to Bernie. This has shocked a few today.
https://spoutible.com/thread/7359937

PS. For those that don't like to click on links, this is on Spoutible, Chris Bouzy's new site. For those that don't know Chris, he is the founder of BOT Central. It is a damn good site to visit.

[yardwork]

1. Sanders is right about a lot of things.

[KPN]

66. Yup. And

always has been.

[Salviati]

2. An excellent video

I agree with Sanders here, we shouldn't negotiate with the hostage takers, we should just slice the Gordian knot and eliminate this farce once and for all.

[GreenWave]

3. I was hoping this would include the part where he talks about how much Musk et alai

are able to stash away, but alas.

What Bernie did here was go to exact root cause of the situation. This is true radicalism.
Reactionaries are what the GQP have become. Scratch the surface and there is nothing there. There merely react and want the public to knee-jerk react to their simplistic bs. Please do not glorify those morons by calling them radicals as they are reactionaries, constantly deep fried in the fat of their own bs.

[Blue Owl]

4. K&R

Hey, when you're right... you're RIGHT!

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

5. I like many things Bernie says. I just don't like or trust him

for his hypocrisy, and history of stabbing the Democratic Party in the back. Bernie who always uses our resources, yet complains about said resources ....yet doesn't donate leftover Campaign Funds to help elect down ticket Democrats. I still haven't forgotten him at the Convention after losing to Hilary. I hope he has finally changed...

WHY DOESN'T HE JOIN THE PARTY?

[Elessar Zappa]

6. I didn't like how he handled 2016 but

he made up for it in the 2020 election. He stepped aside when it was clear he couldn’t win and went on to be a good ally to President Biden.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

8. How is that making up for anything? We still had to suffer

4 yrs of Trump.....And I was deprived an excellent woman President. His attitude at the Convention showed the misogyny of being defeated by a woman.

Fucking join the Party. THAT would show some contrition.......BE a Democrat. Quit just using us.

[Elessar Zappa]

9. I do understand your position.

But I think the reason Trump was elected has mostly to do with Jill Stein and James Comey.

[betsuni]

49. Correct.

[Hortensis]

62. Agree. Fwiw, tho, I believe appeal for many strongly depends on

the attitude expressed toward Democrats. Especially leaders of populist and authoritarian movements, where antagonism toward "establishment" is far more of a driver than a specific ideology, including tRump's.

Yes, he drew idealists also. But if he didn't say what he does and do what he's done, I believe most of the followers who elevated him from the I-Sanders of group senate pictures to 2016 candidate would have looked for someone else. All you have to do is note other figures and groups those supporters listen to, and statements of "surrogates," to see that common element.

Another element common to significant numbers, of course, is socialism, but large numbers don't seem to know what it is (some maybe denying knowing?), suggesting adoption of whatever their current leader calls for.

Those are both extremely common, typical political patterns as old as our democracy, of course. And much older. So not exactly hard to pick up on, especially when augmented to bullhorn strength by anti-Democratic domestic and foreign political warfare.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

64. Trying to teach one the difference between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism

And what Capitalism is. One told me "I cannot BE a Capitalist if I do not own a business...."
But like so many, they also do not know what a Capitalist is.

[Hortensis]

71. Lol. Next time maybe show them a picture with the horns showing.

My hoary old favorite is people actually BELIEVING! the EU's looong paid annual holidays, plus at least another dozen annual paid days off, 4-month each parental leaves, early cushy retirements, universal medical care, "free" higher education, etcetera, etcetera, are paid for by socialist economies.



And on the right, the millions who say with obvious pride in their fiscal responsibility that they vote for "the tRump agenda." Just don't ask them what that is.

[Sky Jewels]

13. What?! Bernie Sanders did not cause Hillary to lose the general election!

Jeez!

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

23. Yes he does have some responsibility as I addressed

[murielm99]

46. I agree with you.

But you are brave to address this here. All sorts of people will alert your posts. Bernie is God to some here, even though this is the Democratic Underground.

[betsuni]

48. [phone]

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

53. Yeah...they way Trump is to the MAGA

They would not alert on anyone that is criticizing Kristen Sinema even though she has the same Party affiliation now...its hypocritical.

[FoxNewsSucks]

75. Not the same at all.

Sinema is a backstabber who worked with Moscow Mitch to undermine Joe Biden (the Democrat, remember?) and the Democratic party goals




She also helped the Senator From Coal undermine Biden and the Democrats. That's why people criticize her.

Sanders, on the other hand, has been one of Biden's best supporters and enablers.

I'd take 100 like him any day over more Sinemas. I don't give a damn about the letter after their name, I care what they DO. And in this case, Sanders is the one who's been consistently on our side.

[HardPort]

26. Not directly, but Bernie Bros booing her at the convention was a bullshit move and didn't help. nt

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

32. Exactly.....he has some blood on his hands

He NEVER reigned in his precious Bernie Bros
And he still won't join the Party. The least he could have done to appease.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

58. And he told them to stop.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

65. Long after it was far too late....

it was tepid at best...

[Happy Hoosier]

81. He certainly didn't help

Time after time Bernie passed up chances to heal wounds. He has some responsibility here.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

59. Sanders supporters voted for Clinton at a higher percentage than Clinton supporters for Obama.

So he did a better job with his supporters after losing the primary than Clinton did with her supporters.

[Sky Jewels]

72. Yep.

The always-aggrieved don't like to acknowledge that, of course.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

24. How did that work out? Not being united?

It's about toeing the LINE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS. Meaning if you don't agree on something the majority wants. .you accept their decision.


...we are DEMOCRATS ... that's literally what we stand for...

[Celerity]

30. Sanders never 'stabbed our Party in the back', that is just OTT bollocks

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

33. Yes HE HAS

Every election......when he runs on OUR resources then bitches about said resources...then immediately returns to being "independent" and NEVER donates unused Campaign Funds to the Party to help elect Downticket Democrats. After 2016 he didn't even return the $1000 bucks the Party donated to open his Campaign Bank Account

[Celerity]

36. No. You are outright attacking/slandering a member of the Democratic caucus with divisive dross.

It is blatant and it is clear:




Also, I find it oh so ironic that your username is RegulatedCapitalistD, yet you are launching multiple attacks on one of the biggest proponents of regulating capitalism.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

37. The D stands FOR DEMOCRAT

And the truth isn't slander

Do you likewise attack anyone who criticizes Sinema and defend her?

[Celerity]

39. non responsive

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

40. Your opinion.

And ALL Democrats are Regulated Capitalists and you just slandered them by that logic

[Rob H.]

51. You speak for all Democrats, do you?

And unless you own a business or are self-employed you're a laborer, not a capitalist.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

54. I spoke for myself....ALL Democrats are Capitalists...FACTS

ALL Social Democracies are Capitalists....and so is the Nordic Model
FDR who invented Regulated Capitalism was a HUGE Capitalist.

Social (adjective describes a noun) Democracy (the noun) are all Capitalists
Social (adjective describes a noun) Programs (the noun) are created by Regulated Capitalists inspired by FDR
Social (adjective describes a noun) Media (the noun) is not a online platform for Socialists
Social (adjective describes a noun) Studies (the noun) is not the study of Socialism

Democratic (adjective describes a noun) Socialism (the noun) is Socialism (with supposed elected leadership)

Socialism is the economic platform that opposes ALL **Private Ownership** of the means of production, distribution and exchange for goods...aka it opposes ALL Capitalism. Socialism and Capitalism are Economic platforms ....and Socialism is the economic platform of current Communist countries.

Anyone who supports that private ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange for goods IS a Capitalist...anyone that believes that Capitalism needs guardrails to protect the Working Class...IS a Regulated Capitalist.

Ergo my moniker is RegulatedCapitalistD as I support returning to those Guardrails that make Capitalists countries aka Social Democracies the highest Quality of Life on the planet for the last almost 100 yrs.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

60. Democratic Socialism does NOT oppose "ALL **Private Ownershop** of the means of production."

Just stop. It's like you just crawled out of the bomb shelter you went into in the 60s and are spewing red scare jingoistic slogans.

[RegulatedCapitalistD]

63. YES it does

Capitalism is the reason

Democratic Socialism is not the same as Social Democracy....LITERALLY

So no I will not stop telling the truth...

From the Oxford Dictionary....the worldwide authoritative source for the English Language (note where it says "noun" )


so·cial·ism
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
"we want a real democratic and pluralist left party—one which unites all those who believe in socialism"

policy or practice based on the political and economic theory of socialism.
"the debate over whether to move away from free markets and toward socialism"

conservatism
(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.
"socialism is the first stage of the worldwide transition to communism"

[Rob H.]

61. Nope

Do you own a business or invest in businesses? You're a capitalist.

Do you sell your labor to those businesses? You're a person laboring under capitalism, not a capitalist.

[FoxNewsSucks]

76. Actually, those two things, especially self-employed, generally are examples of "entrepreneur".

Capitalists don't actually do anything. They use their money and live off that.

[KS Toronado]

47. Believe you wrote ......" I like many things Bernie says "

What are the things you like?

[KPN]

68. +++++

[krkaufman]

52. :golf clap:

Well done. Make the thread about yourself rather than the issue at hand.

[wnylib]

57. He has some good ideas on US finances and

on how the economic system is rigged in favor of the upper classes. That's helpful in steering elected officials in the right direction and in exposing inequities that need to be dealt with. But I don't believe that Bernie has the broad based knowledge, experience, and wider vision necessary for the presidency.

[KPN]

67. Why did I know this was coming somewhere in this thread. Grind that axe.

[jcgoldie]

11. FACTS.

[erronis]

14. Thanks, sheshe2. A great post. I will watch the video.

I do get tired of the histrionics but having listened/watched for many years, I understand that's who he is.

[sheshe2]

16. Fact is the clip was 'histrionic' free.

That is what shocked me and caught my attention. That is what made it a good speech. No arm waving, no finger wagging just the cold hard facts.

Thanks, erronis.

[chillfactor]

15. Excellent speech!

I understand the debt ceiling much better than I did before. Thank you for the post!

[FakeNoose]

17. K & R It's perfect - Thank you Senator Sanders!

And thank you sheshe2!

[BumRushDaShow]

22. LOL @ that graphic!

[ShazzieB]

80. Great gif! 😂

[Joinfortmill]

18. I must hear, people. I hope EVERYONE in the U.S. hears it.

[tiredtoo]

19. I have always been a fan of Bernie Sanders

His speech clarifies why.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Meidas Touch has it on youtube

[mvd]

21. Thanks

I am a big admirer of his and really appreciate this.

[speak easy]

25. Actually I am shocked

but I have never doubted your integrity sheshe. "nobody told me there would be days like these" - John Lennon

[sheshe2]

35. Hell, I shocked myself.

Thanks, speak easy.

[llmart]

27. +1000

No one could have said it better and simpler than this. I stand with Bernie on this issue. Will the general public hear this? Will they even hear some snippets of it on the regular newscasts? I would sincerely hope so, but I have my doubts.

Yesterday I posted my thoughts on a thread about the 14th amendment saying that I thought President Biden hadn't completely ruled out the 14th amendment solution when others thought that just because he said he had, that would be the case. I think as long as President Biden knows he'll get the support of his party and with this speech by Bernie, I do still believe that Dark Brandon has played the GOP, and if they think he won't invoke the 14th or they think the public will blame Biden for the mess, I think they have another thing coming.

[SouthernDem4ever]

31. I agree.

The magat public needs to hear these facts since most of them will be worse off from repuglicans playing chicken with our economy. The problem is, you could hit them over the head with the facts and they think it's all fake news.

[Rhiannon12866]

28. I believe that this is the same speech by Senator Sanders, video from V&M:

The 14th Amendment - Senator Bernie Sanders
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017829825

Republicans have made it clear they will hold the world economy hostage unless President Biden gives in to their demands. Instead, he should prepare to use the 14th Amendment to ensure we pay our debts and protect working families who are already struggling. - 05/19/2023.

[sheshe2]

38. Yup.

I couldn't find it.

TY

[Rhiannon12866]

41. You're more than welcome, agree that it was an excellent - and necessary - speech

[yonder]

29. Thanks for posting this. I admire his direct, no BS manner.

[ananda]

34. I have always been a fan of Bernie Sanders!

And I still think he's great!!!!

[Major Nikon]

42. There should be no negotiating the debt ceiling

I've said this repeatedly. This includes any attempt at half-fast negotiating such as allowing certain things a pass like military spending. If the GQP wants to play hardball, let them explain to the military industrial complex and everyone else who isn't getting paid as to why they can't do their jobs.

The time for debating spending is during the budgetary process. Give the GQP two bites at the apple and there will be no end to it.

[SunSeeker]

43. K & R

[mia]

44. K and R

Thank you for posting this.

[BComplex]

45. I'm a huge Bernie fan

Always have been!

[Paladin]

50. No thanks. (nt)

[ecstatic]

77. lol. Why not?

[BlueMTexpat]

55. Thanks, ss2!

As you know well, I am not a Sanders fan and for all the same reasons.

But he does know how to say things that need to be said. And yes, there are some who will listen to him rather than to others who may be equally as gifted as he in saying them.

So, thank you so much for this link.

I have not only watched and listened to it, but will be sharing it on my social media in the hope that some who might not otherwise have done so will follow suit. And that they will understand better exactly what it is we are facing because our M$McGreedia is in cahoots with GQPer terrorists.

And that's the truth!

[Magoo48]

56. I am now, and always have been, a fan of Bernie Sanders. And, thanks for posting this, sheshe2.

[usonian]

69. Bernie Sanders tells the truth.

Some have feelings of resentment towards Senator Sanders.
Let me say this.

RESENTMENT shuts down your front brain, and puts the old brain in charge.
THAT'S WHY THE GOP "PLATFORM" IS ENTIRELY HATE AND RESENTMENT.

How do I know this?
My own Dad, ripshit to the max that Eugene McCarthy opposed native son Robert Kennedy for the Democratic nomination, went entirely to the nutcase side out of resentment.

RESENTMENT shuts down your front brain, and puts the old brain in charge.
You can't hear the truth, only what reinforces that resentment.
THAT'S WHY THE GOP "PLATFORM" IS ENTIRELY HATE AND RESENTMENT.


Peace.

[KPN]

70. Admirable of you sheshe2. I have always appreciated your objectivity. This is just another

example. Thanks for posting.

[jaxexpat]

73. When a nail is squarely hit on its head it is a simple thing to acknowledge.

B. Sanders and you have done just that. Both the hitting and the acknowledging.

[localroger]

74. Love him or hate him, Bernie is a very smart guy

It's true that he has sometimes overplayed his hand, but that's largely because so few people even in the Democratic party are willing to support the people over business interests that want to pick our pockets. Even the smartest people can be wrong sometimes in a complicated world. This is a case where Bernie has it down to seven decimal places though and there's no basis to argue with any of his points.

[littlemissmartypants]

78. Outstanding! Thank you so much for sharing this!

I found this lovely gem because of you!

LY! ❤️

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016352334

[littlemissmartypants]

79. My favorite part is when he uses his "whisper" voice. Kickety, kick. ❤️

[ShazzieB]

82. Finally got a chance to watch this excellent summation!

He really lays it all out very clearly. Good job, Bernie!