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Convicted of driving little Michael, 3, and Alex, 1, into a lake in 1994, Smith will get her first chance at parole; a family member says she 'doesn't deserve to get her life back.'

https://themessenger.com/news/exclusive-jailed-30-years-for-drowning-her-kids-susan-smith-is-making-a-pitch-for-freedom
No! Never! You may rot in jail for the rest of your miserable life.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,953 posts)Sexually assaulted throughout her teens and also in prison by prison officials, multiple suicide attempts, a lot of pain.
sinkingfeeling
(57,832 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(26,953 posts)sinkingfeeling
(57,832 posts)assaulted who overcame it and didn't strap their toddlers into car seats and watch them fight for their lives as the water engulfed them.
Maru Kitteh
(31,759 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(26,953 posts)I'm always just hung up on why people seem to think why hurting people is justice.
debm55
(60,568 posts)Last edited Tue May 23, 2023, 08:24 PM - Edit history (1)
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)the fear as the water rose and they drowned choking fighting for their lives as their Mother who was supposed to love them and care for them watches. Fuck her I hope, she rots. She should never get out. And I think she tried to blame a Black man...although, I could be wrong about that.
TheProle
(3,980 posts)You are not. She claimed to have been carjacked by a black man.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)would have give life or probably the death penalty.
TheProle
(3,980 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)I was threatened with contempt in GA and I offered to do office work but told the judge...put me on a jury and I will vote not guilty until our system is fixed. The prosecutor jumped up and said...he would strike me anyway.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)I followed the story in the news at the time and later read a book about it. Her initial story was that she was carjacked by a black man. (Had to explain what happened to the car after all, as well as the kids.
)
She ended up confessing only 9 days after the crime took place, but those must have been 9 days of hell for the black population in her area.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)I followed that horrid story too.
That interview with Katie Couric was beyond belief.
debm55
(60,568 posts)Last edited Tue May 23, 2023, 08:26 PM - Edit history (1)
of a lake ?
obamanut2012
(29,367 posts)She is not evil. Neither of those things exist. She is a human, and one who had horrible stuff done to her and who then did horrible things.
But, evil is a religious construct, and all calling someone a monster does is not only dehumanize them, but by doing that, it makes it easy to handwave why they did it and how to stop this happening in the future. She was raped from a young teen until a FEW MONTHS before she killed her children by her very religious and holy Christian Coalition stepfather. She tried to kill herself twice before she was 18, the again a couple years after high school.
I know all of you will be like GOOD SHE SHOULD HAVE KILLED HERSELF AND SAVED THOSE BOYS, ignoring why she tried to kill herself. Understanding why things happen, and trying to stop those things happening to others, is how we change things.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)I believe a monster. I don't know if what you say is true about being raped or when it ended. But I do know that her reason to murder her kids was she wanted to be with a man who didn't want kids so she got rid of them in a particularly cruel way. She then blamed another person. I was sexually assaulted as a young woman and I never killed anyone...much less a kid. I honestly believe she should rot in prison.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)ecstatic
(35,074 posts)whether prison or a mental institution (which there are not many). If she's let out, more people will die. Guaranteed. Yes, I know there are medications that could help her condition, but you cannot force an adult to take medication.
leftstreet
(40,666 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Besides taking the future lives of her children bad enough! Then blaming it on some innocent Black man hoping the racism of the day will carry her through - thus pontentially ruining another life. No.
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)Hair dye, straightener and hair dryer in prison? She is a lifer that will have the possibility of parole in 2024. Something is very off here. You don't get these things in prison.
She murdered her two babies in cold blood. Then she blamed a black man for carjacking her babies. I agree with all your posts, she is evil.

Now here she is asking for a new life, a new start after denying two babies a life and a future.
forthemiddle
(1,459 posts)I will never feel sympathy for this woman!
If she thought the kids were destroying her chance with her boyfriend , all she had to do was give up custody. David loved those kids!!
obamanut2012
(29,367 posts)And, all of her abuse should be considered for this.
We are, unfortunately, rare voices on here for these issues.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,953 posts)obamanut2012
(29,367 posts)Imagine your Christian Coalition stepfather raping you from the age of 14ish to 23. I actually think she should be let out.
I also have a HUGE issue withe HER being disciplined for "having sex" with a 50-year-old prison guard. SHE WAS RAPED.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)I found no evidence when reading about the trial that she was forced into a relationship with the Step-Father. In fact, it was during her marriage.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,953 posts)It's not hard to find.
Stepfather Who Molested Susan Smith Describes His Guilt, Remorse
UNION, S.C. (AP) _ Years after admitting he molested his stepdaughter Susan Smith when she was 16, Beverly Russell testified that they had consensual sex two months before she drowned her sons.
He urged a jury Thursday to spare her life, saying he bore some of the responsibility for Ms. Smiths crime.
In March 1988, Russell admitted sexually assaulting Ms. Smith when she was 16, but she and her mother decided not to press charges.
"When the line was crossed, I failed you, Linda, God and the rest of my family,″ Russell read from the letter. ``My remorse goes way beyond sorrow, getting caught or anything else.″
UNION - The stepfather who molested Susan V. Smith when she was 16 years old commented publicly on the incidents for the first time Friday, saying that he is "ashamed of what happened" and`I am responsible for and ashamed of what happened.'
Russell had admitted in the March 25, 1988, Family Court document that he had molested Smith. That document and a March 14, 1988, Union County Sheriff's Department incident report, which cites several instances of molestation over a six-month period, were made public in recent months. Russell, former chairman of the Union County Republican Party and a high-ranking member of the Christian Coalition, was never criminally charged in the case. In his statement Friday, Russell claims responsibility for his actions.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)with him at 23. doesn't sound like trauma to me. And I have been assaulted by the way. I doubt we have the entire truth from this woman. She is a dangerous psychopath and could kill again. I would not parole her.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,953 posts)It can be.
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #49)
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electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)justice turns into hmmm... vengeful punishment vs a lesson?
Do you believe she should have been locked up at all?
I also either forgot or didn't know she was with a guy who didn't want kids, and that's why she did it? That's like the third thing against her.
If USA society really invested in genuine, and not one-size-fits-all, seriously deep employing various modalities of rehabilitation vwhether with a spiritual bent or not: but say that there's something ineffiable our connectedness; something bigger that our (hopefully meaningful in some way[s] individual) lives - that would give psychological, and sociological real rehabilitation to all but the very worse cases then maybe she might be freed. If they say she hasn't shown remorse...
But we don't have that - yet, anyway.
Vengeance usually comes from serious pain, which is why modes of Justice are applied to stay the hand and mediate the often raw striking back feelings.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,953 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)I think saying that that's the only reason she did what she did is overly simplistic.
I hadn't heard, or remember that part so it felt new to me which is why mentioned it. Seems applicable. What else then? To strike out at her children bc she's in so much pain herself? Er, no.
I believe it makes more sense to invest in the prevention of these kinds of crimes in the first place, rather than weighing rehabilitation vs. justice vs. punishment vs. "a lesson."
Well, I don't know how steep a hill it would be to climb to get our society to head on that direction. You'd have to fight even harder to combat racism, and thinking poor people aren't worth much tropes - so that we could provide a basic (a baseline) decent life for everyone. Invest in children and those who whomever are parenting; biological, extended family, fostering etc who need extra help to follow general honorable, and responsible ways. I'm not taking about, say, a strict Calvinistic way, or anything!
If they say she hasn't shown remorse...
Who's "they"? Many reports say she has.
Have they? I could check, and see.
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,953 posts)It's true that people go through all sorts of hell like this and worse and never kill their kids. But I believe some people are more susceptible than others to these kinds of assaults, and for whatever reason simply don't have the resilience or are predisposed to pathology triggered by trauma. So while there may be a legal motive that's established in the legal system to put a case together, it doesn't necessarily reflect the full reality.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)I suppose that explains why there have never been any rich criminals?
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,953 posts)necessarily overlap, correlate or cause each other.
ecstatic
(35,074 posts)Do you know that she will not kill again if given the chance? I sure don't. She killed not one but TWO helpless kids to be with a man, and then tried to blame the whole thing on a black man. She is psychotic. Period. And there's no cure for that. Prison likely made her even more crazy than she was in 1994. If she's released, it needs to be to a mental facility. Just my opinion, of course.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)'The most startling testimony came from Smith's ex-lover, Thomas Findlay, who said aloud what has been whispered here since Susan Smith confessed to murder last fall: that she had been having a secret affair with her stepfather, Bev Russell.
Findlay said Smith was in a suicidal panic the day before her children disappeared because she feared her estranged husband, David Smith, was "going to make it public" that she had cheated on him with Russell.
But her composure crumbled when the diver who found her two small sons in her car at the bottom of John D. Long Lake took the stand. She wept as he described seeing "a small hand" pressed against the glass of the car window.'
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1995/07/20/witness-smith-had-affair-with-her-stepfather/
Life in prison. I do not believe in the death penalty. I hope she goes to sleep every night seeing a small hand pressed against a window.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)is not her sentence...she got life and is eligible for parole I think in December of 24. She is not promised parole nor is she 'out in 30 years'. She needs to remain in prison.
Aristus
(72,178 posts)Sorry, lady. A few moments' thought could have spared your kids' lives, and you life in the slammer.
You hard-passed those few valuable moments, and now here you are.
If this hasn't occurred to you in thirty years, maybe you need the rest of your life to keep mulling it over.
wnylib
(26,008 posts)but she also made up a story that a Black man did it.
If I remember correctly, her motivation was that she had met a man and wanted to be free of her kids to start life over again with a new man in her life.
Demobrat
(10,299 posts)So she killed her kids.
LoisB
(13,025 posts)samnsara
(18,767 posts)JHB
(38,210 posts)She's fine where she is.
maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)Prob won't get it 1st time, but eventually she will.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)Why is eligibility for parole part of her sentence, then? To give her hope, then remove it, over and over?
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)a new boyfriend...and she blamed a Black Man also. So really she was trying to kill an additional persona as well as her kids. I find her actions reprehensible and believe due to the horrible nature of her crime she will die in jail. I think she should. And from what I have read, she has not been exactly a model prison either and shows no remorse.
maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)I don't think Parole is there just as a teaser, though. That's not how it's supposed to work.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)sentencing far less of a crap shoot, people sentenced to 7 months and 70 years for the same crime, so likely those will come into play and her parole will tend to conform with others. Sad that there are others.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)horrible and she has not shown remorse that I have read. Also, she is far from a model prisoner...she got life as a recall with the eligibility for parole in 30 years. I don't think she will ever get it.
H2O Man
(79,045 posts)description of the circumstances. The new boy friend did not want to be the father figure of another man's children.
Parole hearings are scheduled by a person's sentence. Charlie Manson had numerous parole hearings, as have other "family" members. A hearing is routine, regardless of the crime or possibility of it being granted.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)she does.
maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)I'm saying Parole is not (or should not be) included in sentences merely as an added measure of punishment, to elevate a prisoner's hopes and then dash them repeatedly when the State has no intention of ever granting it. That's what I mean by "teasing".
I 100% understand that you don't want Smith ever released. You've said that multiple times.
obamanut2012
(29,367 posts)Newsome should have let Krenwrinkel out, too. It is part of their sentence.
Smith was raped by her stepfather for almost ten years, continuing until just a few months before the murders. That is mitigating.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)the option of parole. It doesn't mean you ever get parole. It just means you have a chance.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)delisen
(7,365 posts)If I knew Susan Smith and were convinced she should not be granted parole, I hope I would have the courage to own my opinion and not hide in anonymity.
Rocknation
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Even if I thought you should get it, it shouldn't on your first attempt. By the way, is the man threw your kids away for over still waiting on you?
Rocknation
maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)but you never know.
Ilsa
(64,362 posts)with some man, wasn't it? He would not get serious with her because she had kids. That is so fucking sick, choosing some guy over her kids. Willing to kill her kids to have this man.
Goodheart
(5,760 posts)Ilsa
(64,362 posts)double murder stuck in my brain, as well as the blaming of a black man for the carjacking.
Goodheart
(5,760 posts)And then didn't she try to blame somebody else?
Fuck her. She's a piece of shit who deserves the death penalty.
swong19104
(625 posts)Long sentences do nobody any good. Again, as in another thread, is she a threat to society? I don't think she's a threat to anyone.
Demobrat
(10,299 posts)She murdered her children because they came between her and a new, wealthy love interest. If shes capable of that shes capable of anything.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)sheshe2
(97,620 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,453 posts)mcar
(46,055 posts)AllyCat
(18,839 posts)moonshinegnomie
(4,015 posts)including use of drugs. shes also gotten in trouble for assorted other things.
when she was arrested she tried blaming teh crime on a black man before the truth came out
sorry but she is in no way "reformed"
No to parole.
maybe if she can stay out of trouble for another 10 years ro so we can consider it but until then no
debm55
(60,568 posts)I agree, no to release. She stood their and watched as her two babies died in the car. Did nothing to save them. She watched as the car sank. No to parole.
obamanut2012
(29,367 posts)JFC she didn't have affairs! SHE IS AN INMATE SHE WAS RAPED BY GUARDS THERE WAS NO CONSENT.
My God, this place sometimes.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)debm55
(60,568 posts)the husband's. She was using drugs and having affairs with the prison guards. Her husband was no saint, but at least he didn't kill his kids and blame a black man as he watched the car sink. Don't fool yourself, she had the hots for a guy that didn't want her kids--so she killed them. I read that she latter got her shit together and mentored women for GEDs. She is still a killer. You don't, believe, read the link under her photo. But I read that long ago from various sources.
pandr32
(14,270 posts)Her children were denied a future, denied their mother's love, and then she blamed a black man for what she did. She has her life, but she took away the rights of others with no remorse. Prison should be her only society.
Jean Genie
(544 posts)You know, people, I am astonished at the venom some of you are hurling at this woman. Yes; what she did to her kids was unthinkably horrible. Now, put yourself in MAGA shoes. What a pregnant woman does when she rips her unborn fetus from her womb (ie abortion) is just as repulsive to many, many people. And carrying your AK15 into a classroom and slaughtering children is unbelievably horrible to most of us.
Are we going to be a nation of stone-throwers? Indeed, are we that already? My god! What happened to compassion; to walking a mile in someone else's shoes? Are we nothing more than a nation of judgmental, self-righteous bastards, hell bent on foisting our point of view on everyone else?
Don't get me wrong; it was a horrible, tragic and dare I say"sick" thing that Susan Smith did. But do we believe - truly believe - that people can't feel remorseful, feel responsible, feel the results of their reprehensible actions for the remainder of their days? Are we the ones to be the judge of that? Does locking the woman up for the rest of her life make us safe, proud of ourselves, better than her? Have you never heard of "there but for the grace of god go I?"
I am in no way a religious person, nor a MAGA believer, nor a pro gun advocate. But I am a human being, as vulnerable, deluded, and easily triggered by all the injustice in this world as anyone else. And, to my own shame, I must admit that I absolutely HATE Donald Trump!
But when we start judging others, we begin sliding down that slippery slope of self-righteousness, and worst of all, we start feeling better than, superior to, above and beyond our fellow humans. We're not; no matter how goddamn good we imagine we are. If only we could "see ourselves as others see us," maybe this sorry old world wouldn't be in the sad and pitiful state that it seems to be in at this moment in time.
I love you all. Love yourselves - and your fellow beings.
Jedi Guy
(3,477 posts)I feel pretty good about "throwing stones" in this case. Comparing what she did to abortion is... well, it's a look. Not a good look, but it's a look. Her children were long past that point, and no matter where one comes down on the abortion issue (baby vs. blob of cells), any reasonable person can agree that a mother killing her living, born children is reprehensible and horrific.
That she did it for such a shitty reason (wanting to start over with a wealthy fellow who didn't want kids) and then compounded the crime by making up a lie that a Black guy carjacked her and took her kids... no. No, I have no interest in walking in her shoes, thanks so much. I've done some pretty terrible things in my time and I've hurt people who care about me, but I have never, no never, killed anyone and then tried to blame someone else for my crime.
If she'd been in the throes of a psychotic break and killed her children as a result of that, I could muster up some sympathy for her. But Susan Smith was not in the grip of mental illness when she murdered her children. She looked at them and said to herself, "You know, I think I'd just be happier if they were dead." Not handed over to family, not handed to their father, not even given up for adoption... dead. Her solution to get what she wanted was to murder her children.
Nah, hard pass. She's good where she is, far as I'm concerned. She can stay there. She stopped her children's breath with icy water, so if she never breathes another breath of free air, I won't shed any tears about it. If that makes me a flint-hearted bastard, so be it.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)It's not nearly necessarily either/or.
I think what she did was horrible, but I see her as a pathetic, miserable, and very damaged human being, rather than a "monster" (whatever that even means). I feel compassion for that misery and damage, but at the same time, I don't feel that necessarily entitles her to be released on parole. Not all miserable, damaged people are fixable, and not all of them are safe to walk freely among the rest of us.
The parole board that decides her fate will have access to much more information than any of us do, including the complete history of her behavior behind bars and whether she has shown any remorse. I'm okay with letting them do their job.
Torchlight
(6,820 posts)or sit on a parole/review board who have to delve into what has gone on before.
I have a really tough time separating my feelings of vengeance and revenge and the rest of the inherent emotional baggage I carry from the obligation that I'd have to act as dispassionately and objectively as possible. It's a toughie for me in even the best of circumstances, and given her past actions and her justifications for it, I doubt I could (in fact, I think it's safe to say I know I wouldn't be able to) review her case with any real neutrality.
maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'T is mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown:
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's
When mercy seasons justice.
-W. Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice Act IV, Scene I
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)At the time, I was aware only that she got a life sentence. I can't remember if I ever knew there was a possibility of parole, but now that the time has come, I hope she doesn't get out. If by some fluke she does, I'm just glad she's too old to have any more children (because I don't think she could or should ever be trusted with the care of someone unable to defend themselves from her).
NotVeryImportant
(578 posts)No excuses.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Decades ago.
NotVeryImportant
(578 posts)In context to her wanting to be released now.
Takket
(23,714 posts)SYFROYH
(34,214 posts)leftyladyfrommo
(20,002 posts)eissa
(4,238 posts)This was one of them. How....HOW... could she have watched that car roll into the water with her children in it, knowing how scared they must have been, knowing how long it would take for them to die so horribly, knowing she would never see them again. For what? To get some dick? No, fuck her. May she never know a moment of peace for the rest of her miserable life.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)I judge by asking myself would I want them living next door to me. Not this one, ever.
FakeNoose
(41,622 posts)Not every woman should be or wants to be a parent, not every woman is able to be a parent.
I remember this story so well, like it was yesterday. She was 22 and the mother of 2 sweet innocent babies. No man willing to be a life partner, no husband of course. Susan Smith made so many wrong choices, including her lies about a black man who stole her car and murdered the babies.
It's hard to think of a reason why she should be released, but revenge shouldn't be the motive for denying her parole either. The 30 years' sentence is almost up. She'll be out soon enough, if not this year, then soon. I'm guessing she won't have a chance to become pregnant again, so that would be a blessing.
Raine
(31,175 posts)were married but had an unstable marriage because of cheating.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)It is not a 30-year sentence...she got life with parole thus she is up for parole in December of 24 but I doubt she will get it with her track record in prison and the horrible crime she committed. This is fine with me. I think she deserves to die in prison.
'Susan Smith was convicted of two counts of murder and is serving a life sentence. The South Carolina Department of Corrections states she will be eligible for parole on November 4, 2024. She is incarcerated at the Leath Correctional Institution near Greenwood, South Carolina.'
https://www.google.com/search?q=Susan+Smith+was+sentenced++to+life+in+prison&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1002US1002&sxsrf=APwXEdd-msHzRtWuinywFqQOI-lb0JmJpg%3A1684883923677&ei=00ltZM3vKKCwqtsP8-ulsAE&ved=0ahUKEwiNpYjeyYz_AhUgmGoFHfN1CRYQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Susan+Smith+was+sentenced++to+life+in+prison&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzoGCAAQBxAeOggIABAIEAcQHjoGCAAQCBAeOgsIABAIEAcQHhCLAzoFCAAQogQ6CAgAEIkFEKIEOgoIIRCgARDDBBAKOggIIRCgARDDBDoFCCEQqwI6CAghEBYQHhAdOgUIIRCgAUoECEEYAFAAWO-QAWDJmQFoBXAAeAGAAcMBiAGeIJIBBTMwLjEymAEAoAEBuAECwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
Raine
(31,175 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,723 posts)We'll get back to you, Sue.
debm55
(60,568 posts)sheshe2
(97,620 posts)debm55
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sheshe2
(97,620 posts)Great minds think alike, debm.
sheshe2
(97,620 posts)Great minds think alike, debm.
IzzaNuDay
(1,294 posts)She caused terror in the Black community looking for a killer when all she had to do was face herself in the mirror and say, I Fd up, I killed my boys. Well, I can send her another mirror and tell her to keep looking at the killer!