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sheshe2

(97,620 posts)
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:16 AM May 2023

Jailed 30 Years for Drowning Her Kids, Susan Smith Is Making a Pitch for Freedom

Convicted of driving little Michael, 3, and Alex, 1, into a lake in 1994, Smith will get her first chance at parole; a family member says she 'doesn't deserve to get her life back.'




https://themessenger.com/news/exclusive-jailed-30-years-for-drowning-her-kids-susan-smith-is-making-a-pitch-for-freedom

No! Never! You may rot in jail for the rest of your miserable life.

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Jailed 30 Years for Drowning Her Kids, Susan Smith Is Making a Pitch for Freedom (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2023 OP
She did indeed have a miserable life. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #1
Better than the lives of her boys. sinkingfeeling May 2023 #2
Is it? WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #4
Not a doubt in my mind. I know several women who were sexually sinkingfeeling May 2023 #7
THIS. Maru Kitteh May 2023 #13
Right, just because someone is hurting does not make it OK to hurt someone else. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #29
Agree with you Sinkingfeeling debm55 May 2023 #70
Yes, she is a monster. Those kids were conscious when they went into the lake. I can only imagine Demsrule86 May 2023 #31
That is correct. TheProle May 2023 #40
So really had she succeeded there would likely have been an additional victim...no doubt that state Demsrule86 May 2023 #51
There wouldn't be a push to cut him loose after 28 years, I reckon TheProle May 2023 #75
That is for sure...he would rot in prison which is why I refuse to serve on criminal juries. Demsrule86 May 2023 #101
You're right about her blaming a black man. ShazzieB May 2023 #41
The police suspected her almost immediately. BlackSkimmer May 2023 #45
Can you imagine going on television with the fake tears, and knowing your babies were in the bottom debm55 May 2023 #71
She is not a monster obamanut2012 May 2023 #47
People can be evil whether you believe in God or not. She harmed two innocent kids...she is Demsrule86 May 2023 #54
It does not excuse killing innocent lives. LiberalFighter May 2023 #58
She is a violent/ dangerous psychotic person who belongs in a maximum security facility, ecstatic May 2023 #96
+1 leftstreet May 2023 #106
Oh, woah I forgot that part - the blaming (tough year for me), but mentioning brings it back...Nope. electric_blue68 May 2023 #76
I want to know where she gets the cosmetics? sheshe2 May 2023 #94
All she had to do is give full custody to her ex forthemiddle May 2023 #36
I know -- she should be let out obamanut2012 May 2023 #46
People really love punishing others, and the idea of others suffering. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #48
And refuse to admit Smith was also a victim obamanut2012 May 2023 #49
She had an affaire with the Step-Father as an adult. She was 23 years old. That was a choice. Demsrule86 May 2023 #56
He groomed her by molesting her when she was a teenager. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #100
He slept with a 16 year old which is disgusting...and afterwad she was married and had an affaire Demsrule86 May 2023 #102
"doesn't sound like trauma to me." WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author debm55 May 2023 #73
So what do you think should have happened to her? Do you think there's a ?continuum where.... electric_blue68 May 2023 #81
I think we should abolish prisons and use those resources to ensure we don't need prisons. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #82
More thoughts... electric_blue68 May 2023 #89
. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #90
So, as long as everyone has a good, comfortable life there would be no crime? brooklynite May 2023 #98
"Comfortable," "good" and "rich" all have different meanings for different people, and don't WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #99
Is that really it? Or is it to protect innocent people from someone who might kill again? ecstatic May 2023 #93
This is from the trial...and honestly she should rot. Findley was the boyfriend by the way. Demsrule86 May 2023 #55
You do know she was given a life sentence right? She has the possibility of parole...and 30 years Demsrule86 May 2023 #88
And what do her kids get? Aristus May 2023 #3
She not only killed her kids, wnylib May 2023 #5
The new guy didn't want an instant family. Demobrat May 2023 #22
K&R brer cat May 2023 #6
Hell NO! She deserves to stay in prison. LoisB May 2023 #8
she should never get out.... samnsara May 2023 #9
Drowned her kids AND tried to have some innocent black guy blamed for it JHB May 2023 #10
That was the sentence. Parole eligible after 30 years. maxsolomon May 2023 #11
Her crime is so heinous, I bet she doesn't. Demsrule86 May 2023 #32
You think her request will be denied repeatedly until her death in another 30 years or so? maxsolomon May 2023 #34
I do. This is a henious crime where a Mother killed her children so she could be with Demsrule86 May 2023 #38
I've not read that. maxsolomon May 2023 #39
Right, of course. There have been a lot of attempts to make Hortensis May 2023 #53
It would not be the first time...a person who is eligible for parole doesn't get it...the crime was Demsrule86 May 2023 #57
That is an accurate H2O Man May 2023 #69
Parole is possible in 24 but it is not guarenteed she could easily serve her life sentence. I hope Demsrule86 May 2023 #103
That is not my point. maxsolomon May 2023 #109
If she has met all the standards, she shoudl get out obamanut2012 May 2023 #50
That sentence was commuted. They were sentenced to death and when you get life with Demsrule86 May 2023 #59
She has a life sentence not a thirty year sentence. So she is not 'owed' parole. Demsrule86 May 2023 #104
Her kids are still dead by her hand and she thinks she should get a life. For fucks sake. onecaliberal May 2023 #12
Authoritarianism not mercy seems pervasive in US today. delisen May 2023 #14
Just be grateful that you were given the opportunity to qualify for parole. Rocknation May 2023 #15
I don't think Smith reads DU maxsolomon May 2023 #16
The murder was to unencumber herself so she could be Ilsa May 2023 #17
Beat me to it. Goodheart May 2023 #19
I wasn't sure if this detail was about her, but unfortunately this Ilsa May 2023 #20
Didn't she drown her kids because she wanted a guy who didn't like kids? Goodheart May 2023 #18
Give her life back swong19104 May 2023 #21
What she did was so cold-blooded. Demobrat May 2023 #23
No. (nt) Paladin May 2023 #24
It is called justice for her children's needless deaths. She should never get out. Demsrule86 May 2023 #33
They would have been 33 and 31 years old today. sheshe2 May 2023 #37
It is so sad...I can't even understand why some defend this evil woman... Demsrule86 May 2023 #67
I think she is a threat...she has show no remorse that I know about and has had issues in prison. Demsrule86 May 2023 #60
She should "get her life back" as soon as her children get theirs back. NYC Liberal May 2023 #79
She murdered her own children mcar May 2023 #84
Family member is correct. She deserves to rot in jail. AllyCat May 2023 #25
between 2010 and 2015 she was disciplined for various offenses moonshinegnomie May 2023 #26
She was also moved around in prison as she was having affairs with various guards. debm55 May 2023 #42
No she wasn't, she was raped by guards obamanut2012 May 2023 #52
I am not sure that is true. Demsrule86 May 2023 #63
My son is the same age as her oldest at the time. I followed the case. Read various books including debm55 May 2023 #68
I wish tortured sleep upon her forever. pandr32 May 2023 #27
Judgment Jean Genie May 2023 #28
Having never killed anyone, let alone my own children (not that I have any)... Jedi Guy May 2023 #43
+1000 Demsrule86 May 2023 #64
I think it's quite possible to have compassion and still feel someone belongs behind bars. ShazzieB May 2023 #74
It's for the best I haven't been seated as jury in any violent cases Torchlight May 2023 #30
That's refreshingly honest. maxsolomon May 2023 #35
I didn't even realize her sentence included eventual parole eligibility. ShazzieB May 2023 #44
Throw the book at her. NotVeryImportant May 2023 #61
They already did inthewind21 May 2023 #72
I'm aware... NotVeryImportant May 2023 #78
nope. Takket May 2023 #62
Too soon, Susan, too soon. SYFROYH May 2023 #65
I remember all that. It was just horrible. nt leftyladyfrommo May 2023 #66
Some cases haunt you eissa May 2023 #77
Whenever someone come up for parole, Mr.Bill May 2023 #80
Hate to say it, but this is a perfect example why women should always be allowed to choose FakeNoose May 2023 #83
Her and her husband David had the two kids when they Raine May 2023 #86
She was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole...parole is not guaranteed. Demsrule86 May 2023 #87
No, never! 👎 nt Raine May 2023 #85
Yeah, give us 20 to 25 years to think it over. LudwigPastorius May 2023 #91
Question -do they have beauty salons in prison? debm55 May 2023 #92
I just posted about that in this thread moments ago. sheshe2 May 2023 #95
sorry,sheshe,I didn't see it. debm55 May 2023 #97
No need to apologize. sheshe2 May 2023 #107
No need to apologize. sheshe2 May 2023 #108
Oh heck no! No parole! IzzaNuDay May 2023 #110

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,953 posts)
1. She did indeed have a miserable life.
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:18 AM
May 2023

Sexually assaulted throughout her teens and also in prison by prison officials, multiple suicide attempts, a lot of pain.

sinkingfeeling

(57,832 posts)
7. Not a doubt in my mind. I know several women who were sexually
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:26 AM
May 2023

assaulted who overcame it and didn't strap their toddlers into car seats and watch them fight for their lives as the water engulfed them.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,953 posts)
29. Right, just because someone is hurting does not make it OK to hurt someone else.
Tue May 23, 2023, 02:24 PM
May 2023

I'm always just hung up on why people seem to think why hurting people is justice.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
31. Yes, she is a monster. Those kids were conscious when they went into the lake. I can only imagine
Tue May 23, 2023, 02:36 PM
May 2023

the fear as the water rose and they drowned choking fighting for their lives as their Mother who was supposed to love them and care for them watches. Fuck her I hope, she rots. She should never get out. And I think she tried to blame a Black man...although, I could be wrong about that.

TheProle

(3,980 posts)
40. That is correct.
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:20 PM
May 2023
And I think she tried to blame a Black man...although, I could be wrong about that.


You are not. She claimed to have been carjacked by a black man.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
51. So really had she succeeded there would likely have been an additional victim...no doubt that state
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:05 PM
May 2023

would have give life or probably the death penalty.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
101. That is for sure...he would rot in prison which is why I refuse to serve on criminal juries.
Wed May 24, 2023, 03:10 PM
May 2023

I was threatened with contempt in GA and I offered to do office work but told the judge...put me on a jury and I will vote not guilty until our system is fixed. The prosecutor jumped up and said...he would strike me anyway.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
41. You're right about her blaming a black man.
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:22 PM
May 2023

I followed the story in the news at the time and later read a book about it. Her initial story was that she was carjacked by a black man. (Had to explain what happened to the car after all, as well as the kids. )

She ended up confessing only 9 days after the crime took place, but those must have been 9 days of hell for the black population in her area.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
45. The police suspected her almost immediately.
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:44 PM
May 2023

I followed that horrid story too.

That interview with Katie Couric was beyond belief.

debm55

(60,568 posts)
71. Can you imagine going on television with the fake tears, and knowing your babies were in the bottom
Tue May 23, 2023, 05:11 PM
May 2023

Last edited Tue May 23, 2023, 08:26 PM - Edit history (1)

of a lake ?

obamanut2012

(29,367 posts)
47. She is not a monster
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:53 PM
May 2023

She is not evil. Neither of those things exist. She is a human, and one who had horrible stuff done to her and who then did horrible things.

But, evil is a religious construct, and all calling someone a monster does is not only dehumanize them, but by doing that, it makes it easy to handwave why they did it and how to stop this happening in the future. She was raped from a young teen until a FEW MONTHS before she killed her children by her very religious and holy Christian Coalition stepfather. She tried to kill herself twice before she was 18, the again a couple years after high school.

I know all of you will be like GOOD SHE SHOULD HAVE KILLED HERSELF AND SAVED THOSE BOYS, ignoring why she tried to kill herself. Understanding why things happen, and trying to stop those things happening to others, is how we change things.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
54. People can be evil whether you believe in God or not. She harmed two innocent kids...she is
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:10 PM
May 2023

I believe a monster. I don't know if what you say is true about being raped or when it ended. But I do know that her reason to murder her kids was she wanted to be with a man who didn't want kids so she got rid of them in a particularly cruel way. She then blamed another person. I was sexually assaulted as a young woman and I never killed anyone...much less a kid. I honestly believe she should rot in prison.

ecstatic

(35,074 posts)
96. She is a violent/ dangerous psychotic person who belongs in a maximum security facility,
Wed May 24, 2023, 12:28 AM
May 2023

whether prison or a mental institution (which there are not many). If she's let out, more people will die. Guaranteed. Yes, I know there are medications that could help her condition, but you cannot force an adult to take medication.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
76. Oh, woah I forgot that part - the blaming (tough year for me), but mentioning brings it back...Nope.
Tue May 23, 2023, 05:56 PM
May 2023

Besides taking the future lives of her children bad enough! Then blaming it on some innocent Black man hoping the racism of the day will carry her through - thus pontentially ruining another life. No.

sheshe2

(97,620 posts)
94. I want to know where she gets the cosmetics?
Wed May 24, 2023, 12:20 AM
May 2023

Hair dye, straightener and hair dryer in prison? She is a lifer that will have the possibility of parole in 2024. Something is very off here. You don't get these things in prison.

She murdered her two babies in cold blood. Then she blamed a black man for carjacking her babies. I agree with all your posts, she is evil.



Now here she is asking for a new life, a new start after denying two babies a life and a future.

forthemiddle

(1,459 posts)
36. All she had to do is give full custody to her ex
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:07 PM
May 2023

I will never feel sympathy for this woman!
If she thought the kids were destroying her chance with her “boyfriend “, all she had to do was give up custody. David loved those kids!!

obamanut2012

(29,367 posts)
46. I know -- she should be let out
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:52 PM
May 2023

And, all of her abuse should be considered for this.

We are, unfortunately, rare voices on here for these issues.

obamanut2012

(29,367 posts)
49. And refuse to admit Smith was also a victim
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:59 PM
May 2023

Imagine your Christian Coalition stepfather raping you from the age of 14ish to 23. I actually think she should be let out.

I also have a HUGE issue withe HER being disciplined for "having sex" with a 50-year-old prison guard. SHE WAS RAPED.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
56. She had an affaire with the Step-Father as an adult. She was 23 years old. That was a choice.
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:21 PM
May 2023

I found no evidence when reading about the trial that she was forced into a relationship with the Step-Father. In fact, it was during her marriage.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,953 posts)
100. He groomed her by molesting her when she was a teenager.
Wed May 24, 2023, 02:00 PM
May 2023

It's not hard to find.

https://apnews.com/article/5873b4b3601ff1fb4e618b29b198b6b3

Stepfather Who Molested Susan Smith Describes His Guilt, Remorse

UNION, S.C. (AP) _ Years after admitting he molested his stepdaughter Susan Smith when she was 16, Beverly Russell testified that they had consensual sex two months before she drowned her sons.

He urged a jury Thursday to spare her life, saying he bore some of the responsibility for Ms. Smith’s crime.
In March 1988, Russell admitted sexually assaulting Ms. Smith when she was 16, but she and her mother decided not to press charges.

"When the line was crossed, I failed you, Linda, God and the rest of my family,″ Russell read from the letter. ``My remorse goes way beyond sorrow, getting caught or anything else.″


https://www.goupstate.com/story/news/1995/04/22/russell-ashamed39-of-actions/29574975007/

UNION - The stepfather who molested Susan V. Smith when she was 16 years old commented publicly on the incidents for the first time Friday, saying that he is "ashamed of what happened" and`I am responsible for and ashamed of what happened.'

Russell had admitted in the March 25, 1988, Family Court document that he had molested Smith. That document and a March 14, 1988, Union County Sheriff's Department incident report, which cites several instances of molestation over a six-month period, were made public in recent months. Russell, former chairman of the Union County Republican Party and a high-ranking member of the Christian Coalition, was never criminally charged in the case. In his statement Friday, Russell claims responsibility for his actions.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
102. He slept with a 16 year old which is disgusting...and afterwad she was married and had an affaire
Wed May 24, 2023, 03:15 PM
May 2023

with him at 23. doesn't sound like trauma to me. And I have been assaulted by the way. I doubt we have the entire truth from this woman. She is a dangerous psychopath and could kill again. I would not parole her.

Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #49)

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
81. So what do you think should have happened to her? Do you think there's a ?continuum where....
Tue May 23, 2023, 06:41 PM
May 2023

justice turns into hmmm... vengeful punishment vs a lesson?
Do you believe she should have been locked up at all?

I also either forgot or didn't know she was with a guy who didn't want kids, and that's why she did it? That's like the third thing against her.

If USA society really invested in genuine, and not one-size-fits-all, seriously deep employing various modalities of rehabilitation vwhether with a spiritual bent or not: but say that there's something ineffiable our connectedness; something bigger that our (hopefully meaningful in some way[s] individual) lives - that would give psychological, and sociological real rehabilitation to all but the very worse cases then maybe she might be freed. If they say she hasn't shown remorse...

But we don't have that - yet, anyway.

Vengeance usually comes from serious pain, which is why modes of Justice are applied to stay the hand and mediate the often raw striking back feelings.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,953 posts)
82. I think we should abolish prisons and use those resources to ensure we don't need prisons.
Tue May 23, 2023, 06:47 PM
May 2023
I also either forgot or didn't know she was with a guy who didn't want kids, and that's why she did it? That's like the third thing against her.
I think saying that that's the only reason she did what she did is overly simplistic.

If USA society really invested in genuine, and not one-size-fits-all, seriously deep employing various modalities of rehabilitation vwhether with a spiritual bent or not: but say that there's something ineffiable our connectedness; something bigger that our (hopefully meaningful in some way[s] individual) lives - that would give psychological, and sociological real rehabilitation to all but the very worse cases then maybe she might be freed.
I believe it makes more sense to invest in the prevention of these kinds of crimes in the first place, rather than weighing rehabilitation vs. justice vs. punishment vs. "a lesson."

If they say she hasn't shown remorse...
Who's "they"? Many reports say she has.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
89. More thoughts...
Tue May 23, 2023, 07:48 PM
May 2023
I think saying that that's the only reason she did what she did is overly simplistic.

I hadn't heard, or remember that part so it felt new to me which is why mentioned it. Seems applicable. What else then? To strike out at her children bc she's in so much pain herself? Er, no.


I believe it makes more sense to invest in the prevention of these kinds of crimes in the first place, rather than weighing rehabilitation vs. justice vs. punishment vs. "a lesson."

Well, I don't know how steep a hill it would be to climb to get our society to head on that direction. You'd have to fight even harder to combat racism, and thinking poor people aren't worth much tropes - so that we could provide a basic (a baseline) decent life for everyone. Invest in children and those who whomever are parenting; biological, extended family, fostering etc who need extra help to follow general honorable, and responsible ways. I'm not taking about, say, a strict Calvinistic way, or anything!


If they say she hasn't shown remorse...
Who's "they"? Many reports say she has.

Have they? I could check, and see.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,953 posts)
90. .
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:08 PM
May 2023
I hadn't heard, or remember that part so it felt new to me which is why mentioned it. Seems applicable. What else then? To strike out at her children bc she's in so much pain herself? Er, no.
People don't go from normal, well-adjusted members of society to killing their kids out of the blue. So to say that she killed them to be with some guy is true, but not necessarily fully accurate. Like many people who plan killings, she had an ugly childhood: Her dad died of suicide when she was six and her new stepfather groomed and molested her, and admitted at her sentencing that they had had sex two months before she killed her kids. She tried to kill herself several times, and ended up in a troubled marriage.

It's true that people go through all sorts of hell like this and worse and never kill their kids. But I believe some people are more susceptible than others to these kinds of assaults, and for whatever reason simply don't have the resilience or are predisposed to pathology triggered by trauma. So while there may be a legal motive that's established in the legal system to put a case together, it doesn't necessarily reflect the full reality.

Well, I don't know how steep a hill it would be to climb to get our society to head on that direction. You'd have to fight even harder to combat racism, and thinking poor people aren't worth much tropes - so that we could provide a basic (a baseline) decent life for everyone.
It would be very, very steep. It would also be worth it, because it would be an improvement on what we have now.
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
98. So, as long as everyone has a good, comfortable life there would be no crime?
Wed May 24, 2023, 12:52 PM
May 2023

I suppose that explains why there have never been any rich criminals?

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,953 posts)
99. "Comfortable," "good" and "rich" all have different meanings for different people, and don't
Wed May 24, 2023, 12:55 PM
May 2023

necessarily overlap, correlate or cause each other.

ecstatic

(35,074 posts)
93. Is that really it? Or is it to protect innocent people from someone who might kill again?
Wed May 24, 2023, 12:17 AM
May 2023

Do you know that she will not kill again if given the chance? I sure don't. She killed not one but TWO helpless kids to be with a man, and then tried to blame the whole thing on a black man. She is psychotic. Period. And there's no cure for that. Prison likely made her even more crazy than she was in 1994. If she's released, it needs to be to a mental facility. Just my opinion, of course.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
55. This is from the trial...and honestly she should rot. Findley was the boyfriend by the way.
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:18 PM
May 2023

'The most startling testimony came from Smith's ex-lover, Thomas Findlay, who said aloud what has been whispered here since Susan Smith confessed to murder last fall: that she had been having a secret affair with her stepfather, Bev Russell.

Findlay said Smith was in a suicidal panic the day before her children disappeared because she feared her estranged husband, David Smith, was "going to make it public" that she had cheated on him with Russell.

But her composure crumbled when the diver who found her two small sons in her car at the bottom of John D. Long Lake took the stand. She wept as he described seeing "a small hand" pressed against the glass of the car window.'

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1995/07/20/witness-smith-had-affair-with-her-stepfather/

Life in prison. I do not believe in the death penalty. I hope she goes to sleep every night seeing a small hand pressed against a window.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
88. You do know she was given a life sentence right? She has the possibility of parole...and 30 years
Tue May 23, 2023, 07:28 PM
May 2023

is not her sentence...she got life and is eligible for parole I think in December of 24. She is not promised parole nor is she 'out in 30 years'. She needs to remain in prison.

Aristus

(72,178 posts)
3. And what do her kids get?
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:20 AM
May 2023

Sorry, lady. A few moments' thought could have spared your kids' lives, and you life in the slammer.

You hard-passed those few valuable moments, and now here you are.

If this hasn't occurred to you in thirty years, maybe you need the rest of your life to keep mulling it over.

wnylib

(26,008 posts)
5. She not only killed her kids,
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:22 AM
May 2023

but she also made up a story that a Black man did it.

If I remember correctly, her motivation was that she had met a man and wanted to be free of her kids to start life over again with a new man in her life.

JHB

(38,210 posts)
10. Drowned her kids AND tried to have some innocent black guy blamed for it
Tue May 23, 2023, 12:09 PM
May 2023

She's fine where she is.

maxsolomon

(38,711 posts)
11. That was the sentence. Parole eligible after 30 years.
Tue May 23, 2023, 12:11 PM
May 2023

Prob won't get it 1st time, but eventually she will.

maxsolomon

(38,711 posts)
34. You think her request will be denied repeatedly until her death in another 30 years or so?
Tue May 23, 2023, 02:58 PM
May 2023

Why is eligibility for parole part of her sentence, then? To give her hope, then remove it, over and over?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
38. I do. This is a henious crime where a Mother killed her children so she could be with
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:14 PM
May 2023

a new boyfriend...and she blamed a Black Man also. So really she was trying to kill an additional persona as well as her kids. I find her actions reprehensible and believe due to the horrible nature of her crime she will die in jail. I think she should. And from what I have read, she has not been exactly a model prison either and shows no remorse.

maxsolomon

(38,711 posts)
39. I've not read that.
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:16 PM
May 2023

I don't think Parole is there just as a teaser, though. That's not how it's supposed to work.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. Right, of course. There have been a lot of attempts to make
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:08 PM
May 2023

sentencing far less of a crap shoot, people sentenced to 7 months and 70 years for the same crime, so likely those will come into play and her parole will tend to conform with others. Sad that there are others.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
57. It would not be the first time...a person who is eligible for parole doesn't get it...the crime was
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:24 PM
May 2023

horrible and she has not shown remorse that I have read. Also, she is far from a model prisoner...she got life as a recall with the eligibility for parole in 30 years. I don't think she will ever get it.

H2O Man

(79,045 posts)
69. That is an accurate
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:59 PM
May 2023

description of the circumstances. The new boy friend did not want to be the father figure of another man's children.

Parole hearings are scheduled by a person's sentence. Charlie Manson had numerous parole hearings, as have other "family" members. A hearing is routine, regardless of the crime or possibility of it being granted.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
103. Parole is possible in 24 but it is not guarenteed she could easily serve her life sentence. I hope
Wed May 24, 2023, 03:21 PM
May 2023

she does.

maxsolomon

(38,711 posts)
109. That is not my point.
Wed May 24, 2023, 03:54 PM
May 2023

I'm saying Parole is not (or should not be) included in sentences merely as an added measure of punishment, to elevate a prisoner's hopes and then dash them repeatedly when the State has no intention of ever granting it. That's what I mean by "teasing".

I 100% understand that you don't want Smith ever released. You've said that multiple times.

obamanut2012

(29,367 posts)
50. If she has met all the standards, she shoudl get out
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:04 PM
May 2023

Newsome should have let Krenwrinkel out, too. It is part of their sentence.

Smith was raped by her stepfather for almost ten years, continuing until just a few months before the murders. That is mitigating.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
59. That sentence was commuted. They were sentenced to death and when you get life with
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:25 PM
May 2023

the option of parole. It doesn't mean you ever get parole. It just means you have a chance.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
12. Her kids are still dead by her hand and she thinks she should get a life. For fucks sake.
Tue May 23, 2023, 12:12 PM
May 2023

delisen

(7,365 posts)
14. Authoritarianism not mercy seems pervasive in US today.
Tue May 23, 2023, 12:18 PM
May 2023

If I knew Susan Smith and were convinced she should not be granted parole, I hope I would have the courage to own my opinion and not hide in anonymity.

Rocknation

(45,006 posts)
15. Just be grateful that you were given the opportunity to qualify for parole.
Tue May 23, 2023, 12:20 PM
May 2023

Last edited Tue May 23, 2023, 03:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Even if I thought you should get it, it shouldn't on your first attempt. By the way, is the man threw your kids away for over still waiting on you?


Rocknation

Ilsa

(64,362 posts)
17. The murder was to unencumber herself so she could be
Tue May 23, 2023, 01:10 PM
May 2023

with some man, wasn't it? He would not get serious with her because she had kids. That is so fucking sick, choosing some guy over her kids. Willing to kill her kids to have this man.

Ilsa

(64,362 posts)
20. I wasn't sure if this detail was about her, but unfortunately this
Tue May 23, 2023, 01:18 PM
May 2023

double murder stuck in my brain, as well as the blaming of a black man for the carjacking.

 

Goodheart

(5,760 posts)
18. Didn't she drown her kids because she wanted a guy who didn't like kids?
Tue May 23, 2023, 01:11 PM
May 2023

And then didn't she try to blame somebody else?

Fuck her. She's a piece of shit who deserves the death penalty.

swong19104

(625 posts)
21. Give her life back
Tue May 23, 2023, 01:36 PM
May 2023

Long sentences do nobody any good. Again, as in another thread, is she a threat to society? I don't think she's a threat to anyone.

Demobrat

(10,299 posts)
23. What she did was so cold-blooded.
Tue May 23, 2023, 01:51 PM
May 2023

She murdered her children because they came between her and a new, wealthy love interest. If she’s capable of that she’s capable of anything.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
60. I think she is a threat...she has show no remorse that I know about and has had issues in prison.
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:26 PM
May 2023

moonshinegnomie

(4,015 posts)
26. between 2010 and 2015 she was disciplined for various offenses
Tue May 23, 2023, 02:06 PM
May 2023

including use of drugs. shes also gotten in trouble for assorted other things.
when she was arrested she tried blaming teh crime on a black man before the truth came out

sorry but she is in no way "reformed"
No to parole.
maybe if she can stay out of trouble for another 10 years ro so we can consider it but until then no


debm55

(60,568 posts)
42. She was also moved around in prison as she was having affairs with various guards.
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:30 PM
May 2023

I agree, no to release. She stood their and watched as her two babies died in the car. Did nothing to save them. She watched as the car sank. No to parole.

obamanut2012

(29,367 posts)
52. No she wasn't, she was raped by guards
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:05 PM
May 2023

JFC she didn't have affairs! SHE IS AN INMATE SHE WAS RAPED BY GUARDS THERE WAS NO CONSENT.

My God, this place sometimes.

debm55

(60,568 posts)
68. My son is the same age as her oldest at the time. I followed the case. Read various books including
Tue May 23, 2023, 04:54 PM
May 2023

the husband's. She was using drugs and having affairs with the prison guards. Her husband was no saint, but at least he didn't kill his kids and blame a black man as he watched the car sink. Don't fool yourself, she had the hots for a guy that didn't want her kids--so she killed them. I read that she latter got her shit together and mentored women for GEDs. She is still a killer. You don't, believe, read the link under her photo. But I read that long ago from various sources.

pandr32

(14,270 posts)
27. I wish tortured sleep upon her forever.
Tue May 23, 2023, 02:10 PM
May 2023

Her children were denied a future, denied their mother's love, and then she blamed a black man for what she did. She has her life, but she took away the rights of others with no remorse. Prison should be her only society.

Jean Genie

(544 posts)
28. Judgment
Tue May 23, 2023, 02:15 PM
May 2023

You know, people, I am astonished at the venom some of you are hurling at this woman. Yes; what she did to her kids was unthinkably horrible. Now, put yourself in MAGA shoes. What a pregnant woman does when she rips her unborn fetus from her womb (ie abortion) is just as repulsive to many, many people. And carrying your AK15 into a classroom and slaughtering children is unbelievably horrible to most of us.
Are we going to be a nation of stone-throwers? Indeed, are we that already? My god! What happened to compassion; to walking a mile in someone else's shoes? Are we nothing more than a nation of judgmental, self-righteous bastards, hell bent on foisting our point of view on everyone else?
Don't get me wrong; it was a horrible, tragic and dare I say"sick" thing that Susan Smith did. But do we believe - truly believe - that people can't feel remorseful, feel responsible, feel the results of their reprehensible actions for the remainder of their days? Are we the ones to be the judge of that? Does locking the woman up for the rest of her life make us safe, proud of ourselves, better than her? Have you never heard of "there but for the grace of god go I?"
I am in no way a religious person, nor a MAGA believer, nor a pro gun advocate. But I am a human being, as vulnerable, deluded, and easily triggered by all the injustice in this world as anyone else. And, to my own shame, I must admit that I absolutely HATE Donald Trump!
But when we start judging others, we begin sliding down that slippery slope of self-righteousness, and worst of all, we start feeling better than, superior to, above and beyond our fellow humans. We're not; no matter how goddamn good we imagine we are. If only we could "see ourselves as others see us," maybe this sorry old world wouldn't be in the sad and pitiful state that it seems to be in at this moment in time.
I love you all. Love yourselves - and your fellow beings.

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
43. Having never killed anyone, let alone my own children (not that I have any)...
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:34 PM
May 2023

I feel pretty good about "throwing stones" in this case. Comparing what she did to abortion is... well, it's a look. Not a good look, but it's a look. Her children were long past that point, and no matter where one comes down on the abortion issue (baby vs. blob of cells), any reasonable person can agree that a mother killing her living, born children is reprehensible and horrific.

That she did it for such a shitty reason (wanting to start over with a wealthy fellow who didn't want kids) and then compounded the crime by making up a lie that a Black guy carjacked her and took her kids... no. No, I have no interest in walking in her shoes, thanks so much. I've done some pretty terrible things in my time and I've hurt people who care about me, but I have never, no never, killed anyone and then tried to blame someone else for my crime.

If she'd been in the throes of a psychotic break and killed her children as a result of that, I could muster up some sympathy for her. But Susan Smith was not in the grip of mental illness when she murdered her children. She looked at them and said to herself, "You know, I think I'd just be happier if they were dead." Not handed over to family, not handed to their father, not even given up for adoption... dead. Her solution to get what she wanted was to murder her children.

Nah, hard pass. She's good where she is, far as I'm concerned. She can stay there. She stopped her children's breath with icy water, so if she never breathes another breath of free air, I won't shed any tears about it. If that makes me a flint-hearted bastard, so be it.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
74. I think it's quite possible to have compassion and still feel someone belongs behind bars.
Tue May 23, 2023, 05:51 PM
May 2023

It's not nearly necessarily either/or.

I think what she did was horrible, but I see her as a pathetic, miserable, and very damaged human being, rather than a "monster" (whatever that even means). I feel compassion for that misery and damage, but at the same time, I don't feel that necessarily entitles her to be released on parole. Not all miserable, damaged people are fixable, and not all of them are safe to walk freely among the rest of us.

The parole board that decides her fate will have access to much more information than any of us do, including the complete history of her behavior behind bars and whether she has shown any remorse. I'm okay with letting them do their job.

Torchlight

(6,820 posts)
30. It's for the best I haven't been seated as jury in any violent cases
Tue May 23, 2023, 02:28 PM
May 2023

or sit on a parole/review board who have to delve into what has gone on before.

I have a really tough time separating my feelings of vengeance and revenge and the rest of the inherent emotional baggage I carry from the obligation that I'd have to act as dispassionately and objectively as possible. It's a toughie for me in even the best of circumstances, and given her past actions and her justifications for it, I doubt I could (in fact, I think it's safe to say I know I wouldn't be able to) review her case with any real neutrality.

maxsolomon

(38,711 posts)
35. That's refreshingly honest.
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:03 PM
May 2023
The quality of mercy is not strained;
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'T is mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown:
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthronèd in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's
When mercy seasons justice.

-W. Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice Act IV, Scene I

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
44. I didn't even realize her sentence included eventual parole eligibility.
Tue May 23, 2023, 03:36 PM
May 2023

At the time, I was aware only that she got a life sentence. I can't remember if I ever knew there was a possibility of parole, but now that the time has come, I hope she doesn't get out. If by some fluke she does, I'm just glad she's too old to have any more children (because I don't think she could or should ever be trusted with the care of someone unable to defend themselves from her).

eissa

(4,238 posts)
77. Some cases haunt you
Tue May 23, 2023, 06:04 PM
May 2023

This was one of them. How....HOW... could she have watched that car roll into the water with her children in it, knowing how scared they must have been, knowing how long it would take for them to die so horribly, knowing she would never see them again. For what? To get some dick? No, fuck her. May she never know a moment of peace for the rest of her miserable life.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
80. Whenever someone come up for parole,
Tue May 23, 2023, 06:32 PM
May 2023

I judge by asking myself would I want them living next door to me. Not this one, ever.

FakeNoose

(41,622 posts)
83. Hate to say it, but this is a perfect example why women should always be allowed to choose
Tue May 23, 2023, 07:00 PM
May 2023

Not every woman should be or wants to be a parent, not every woman is able to be a parent.

I remember this story so well, like it was yesterday. She was 22 and the mother of 2 sweet innocent babies. No man willing to be a life partner, no husband of course. Susan Smith made so many wrong choices, including her lies about a black man who stole her car and murdered the babies.

It's hard to think of a reason why she should be released, but revenge shouldn't be the motive for denying her parole either. The 30 years' sentence is almost up. She'll be out soon enough, if not this year, then soon. I'm guessing she won't have a chance to become pregnant again, so that would be a blessing.

Raine

(31,175 posts)
86. Her and her husband David had the two kids when they
Tue May 23, 2023, 07:19 PM
May 2023

were married but had an unstable marriage because of cheating.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
87. She was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole...parole is not guaranteed.
Tue May 23, 2023, 07:22 PM
May 2023

It is not a 30-year sentence...she got life with parole thus she is up for parole in December of 24 but I doubt she will get it with her track record in prison and the horrible crime she committed. This is fine with me. I think she deserves to die in prison.

'Susan Smith was convicted of two counts of murder and is serving a life sentence. The South Carolina Department of Corrections states she will be eligible for parole on November 4, 2024. She is incarcerated at the Leath Correctional Institution near Greenwood, South Carolina.'

https://www.google.com/search?q=Susan+Smith+was+sentenced++to+life+in+prison&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1002US1002&sxsrf=APwXEdd-msHzRtWuinywFqQOI-lb0JmJpg%3A1684883923677&ei=00ltZM3vKKCwqtsP8-ulsAE&ved=0ahUKEwiNpYjeyYz_AhUgmGoFHfN1CRYQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=Susan+Smith+was+sentenced++to+life+in+prison&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzoGCAAQBxAeOggIABAIEAcQHjoGCAAQCBAeOgsIABAIEAcQHhCLAzoFCAAQogQ6CAgAEIkFEKIEOgoIIRCgARDDBBAKOggIIRCgARDDBDoFCCEQqwI6CAghEBYQHhAdOgUIIRCgAUoECEEYAFAAWO-QAWDJmQFoBXAAeAGAAcMBiAGeIJIBBTMwLjEymAEAoAEBuAECwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

IzzaNuDay

(1,294 posts)
110. Oh heck no! No parole!
Wed May 24, 2023, 04:30 PM
May 2023

She caused terror in the Black community looking for a killer when all she had to do was face herself in the mirror and say, I F’d up, I killed my boys. Well, I can send her another mirror and tell her to keep looking at the killer!

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