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You don't do this unless you think indictments are imminent. (Original Post) kpete May 2023 OP
You can't charge me for my crimes, I was President. sarcasmo May 2023 #1
Does TFG write his lawyers' material for them? Ocelot II May 2023 #2
My thoughts exactly! anciano May 2023 #9
Trump's victim bullshit cleaned up ... pathetic.. agingdem May 2023 #20
Yes, it is very childish. StarryNite May 2023 #24
U.S. laws, when applied to TFG, are "unfair??" Rhiannon12866 May 2023 #40
This guy doesn't have a law degree. rsdsharp May 2023 #61
He wrote his weirdo first doctor's note for him. Remember the "positive" Maru Kitteh May 2023 #73
Surprised the letter didn't contain the following: madaboutharry May 2023 #3
the depths 1 must sink to to be a trump lawyer. mopinko May 2023 #4
Seems like a stupid idea under most any circumstance. captain queeg May 2023 #5
So, Trump wants a face to face with Garland. Tetrachloride May 2023 #6
He won't get one. The case is being handled by the Special Counsel Ocelot II May 2023 #18
So what happens when Trump sends a letter to Jack Smith? Irish_Dem May 2023 #45
Nothing. Ocelot II May 2023 #49
Why do you think Trump wants to meet with Garland and Smith? Irish_Dem May 2023 #52
According to Joyce Vance it's not unusual for people under criminal investigation Ocelot II May 2023 #62
Yes this makes sense. Irish_Dem May 2023 #70
Jack Smith gives the same response, but.... lastlib May 2023 #75
Ha ha ha Playingmantis May 2023 #56
I got to the sign-off and exploded with laughter! ShazzieB May 2023 #80
Ocelot should handle all DOJ correspondence to Trump. Irish_Dem May 2023 #92
Take a number, JP III C_U_L8R May 2023 #7
STFU Slobfather malaise May 2023 #8
Jeez, that's from his lawyers? EarlG May 2023 #10
I noticed that. Hunter is their slander buzzword Walleye May 2023 #16
Same lawyer 👇 Nevilledog May 2023 #22
Lionel Hutz had more integrity in his pint of Colonel Kwik-E-Mart's Bourbon than Trump's... LudwigPastorius May 2023 #41
Best defense of a cartoon lawyer in many moons. Nevilledog May 2023 #91
Hunter is their Red Flag they're Cha May 2023 #26
Right? If both firms were worth the name they'd have indicted Hunter by now rather than "blah blah." ancianita May 2023 #38
Reply: Don't call us. We'll call you. lpbk2713 May 2023 #11
It's so unfair liberal N proud May 2023 #12
Even his lawyers talk like he does. BlueCheeseAgain May 2023 #13
Has he even paid them yet to sound like him, ancianita May 2023 #42
Baahahahaaaaaaaaa! .... STFU, drumphf & Co. electric_blue68 May 2023 #14
Offer me money. Wait, I'll offer you money. Wait, that's unfair. You should offer me money Tetrachloride May 2023 #15
that can't possibly be real, can it? Takket May 2023 #17
I can't imagine any legitimate attorney debasing themselves publicly like that. FoxNewsSucks May 2023 #21
TFG can't hire legitimate lawyers any more. Ocelot II May 2023 #28
Oh, he can hire them ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #96
apparently drumpf posted that image himself on truth social. Takket May 2023 #31
Maybe TFG got ahold of some of the firm's letterhead. Ocelot II May 2023 #43
They got hold of letterheads to make letters for the fake elector scheme Marthe48 May 2023 #53
I went to the website too, FoxNewsSucks May 2023 #51
Maybe this is the reincarnation of John Barron. lol. nt ecstatic May 2023 #64
Trump dictated that letter. blm May 2023 #19
Oh, goody. TickTock. Joinfortmill May 2023 #23
Injustices perpetrated?? Rich indeed BOSSHOG May 2023 #25
WTF is so outrageous and unlawful? RussBLib May 2023 #27
If Garland responds at all, chances are he'll tell them Ocelot II May 2023 #30
likely so RussBLib May 2023 #35
I'm guessing tfg got his hands on some law office stationery. TurboDem May 2023 #29
Reputable lawyers don't work for TFG. Ocelot II May 2023 #32
Well, they're right about it not being "baselessly" Orrex May 2023 #33
So clearly dictated by Trump--only the grammar and spelling cleaned up by attorneys hlthe2b May 2023 #34
dear john p. rowley 111 orleans May 2023 #36
This letter is hilarious to me. nt BootinUp May 2023 #37
Trump's lawyers have nothing. LudwigPastorius May 2023 #39
Lawrence on this now n/t malaise May 2023 #44
So the government can not do an investigation? Kablooie May 2023 #46
Is this law firm representing Trump? Renew Deal May 2023 #47
Anyone familiar with The West Wing, elleng May 2023 #48
Reads like it's from MAGAt Law, PLLC. KY_EnviroGuy May 2023 #50
You'll hear from us, but not at a meeting. Sneederbunk May 2023 #54
I Strenuously Object? Is that how it works? maxrandb May 2023 #55
I'm surprised the letter didn't mention no investigation into Hillary's wrongdoing!! PortTack May 2023 #57
It's just more propaganda. LuvLoogie May 2023 #58
The more I think about it the more I believe it was intended as a message to the MAGAts Ocelot II May 2023 #66
well hurry up. please ecstatic May 2023 #59
So...Biden and family ARE being treated fairly?? Maeve May 2023 #60
(that's "gradgiated"...) lastlib May 2023 #77
I admit it has been a long time since I watched Jethro cipherin' and I guess it was a Maeve May 2023 #93
To offer a bribe or make threats? moondust May 2023 #63
Both: Orange carrot sticks and hamberders washed down with cofefe MLAA May 2023 #76
we;;, whah. AllaN01Bear May 2023 #65
Maybe He Should Stomp His Widdle Foot And Threaten To Hold His Breath ChoppinBroccoli May 2023 #67
I keep picturing something like this... ShazzieB May 2023 #82
Or this... Wednesdays May 2023 #94
Lol ybbor May 2023 #68
The ideal response- Lucky Luciano May 2023 #69
How does he continue to enlist attorneys? He's fucking crazy as a loon. spanone May 2023 #71
Garland's reply: jmowreader May 2023 #72
If I were Merrick Garland, I'd get that sucker framed! dchill May 2023 #74
: onecaliberal May 2023 #78
never been a more petty criminal than soon-to-be convict-n-thief Orange Bottom Special🤣 bringthePaine May 2023 #79
The letter is evidence of more Beachnutt May 2023 #81
Appropriate reply: usonian May 2023 #83
Where do they fined these self delusional idiots willing to knowingly defend this lying bastard. usaf-vet May 2023 #84
Penultimate Karen Move. Demanding to Speak to the Manager. Beetwasher. May 2023 #85
Means nothing. Smoke kacekwl May 2023 #86
So obvious .... Planting the seed everywhere on social media Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #87
This letter is red meat for Trumps base. BootinUp May 2023 #88
I wish you would tell me what this is arthritisR_US May 2023 #89
Poor Trump. Writing to AG Garland is a sign of desperation LetMyPeopleVote May 2023 #90
K&R Blue Owl May 2023 #95

Ocelot II

(129,730 posts)
2. Does TFG write his lawyers' material for them?
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:11 PM
May 2023

Lawyers don't normally write those sorts of hysterical, angry screeds.

agingdem

(8,787 posts)
20. Trump's victim bullshit cleaned up ... pathetic..
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:31 PM
May 2023

I wonder who's calling the shots..Trump or his third tier lawyer..hmmm??...I suspect Garland will respond in the same way he responded to Jordan and McCarthy when they demanded he turn over all investigation files relating to January 6/documents...a polite 'fuck you and the MAGA horse you rode in on"..

Maru Kitteh

(31,392 posts)
73. He wrote his weirdo first doctor's note for him. Remember the "positive"
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:58 PM
May 2023

test results?

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/02/607638733/doctor-trump-dictated-letter-attesting-to-his-extraordinary-health

In December 2015, Donald Trump's personal physician released a letter describing his patient's health in language that sounded more like it was written by the patient himself than the doctor — and it turns out that might be exactly what happened.

"If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency," Dr. Harold Bornstein, a gastroenterologist from Lenox Hospital in New York, wrote at the time.

The letter said that a recent medical exam showed "only positive results" for the then-candidate and that "his physical strength and stamina are extraordinary."

Tetrachloride

(9,488 posts)
6. So, Trump wants a face to face with Garland.
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:14 PM
May 2023

Garland need not reply. Its a political move.

If Trump has a legal move, he can plead guilty or turn over evidence or blame Jared.

Ocelot II

(129,730 posts)
18. He won't get one. The case is being handled by the Special Counsel
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:28 PM
May 2023

and Garland has no involvement in it at this time. If he writes back at all, the letter will probably be something like:

Dear Mr. Rowley:

This matter is currently being handled in its entirety by the Special Counsel, Mr. Jack Smith. Any concerns you or your client may have with respect to it should be directed to Mr. Smith's office.

Eat Shit And Die,

Merrick Garland
Attorney General

Irish_Dem

(80,415 posts)
52. Why do you think Trump wants to meet with Garland and Smith?
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:12 PM
May 2023

I don't think he has requested meetings with prosecutors before?

Ocelot II

(129,730 posts)
62. According to Joyce Vance it's not unusual for people under criminal investigation
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:34 PM
May 2023

to want to hold discussions with prosecutors if indictments seem imminent (and it's even possible that some discussions have already occurred). But this looks like they are trying to do an end run around the Special Counsel to try to negotiate with Garland directly (which would render the Special Counsel appointment pointless, so that's not likely to happen). I think the letter isn't so much a demand for a meeting, which they must know probably won't happen, but - since lawyers don't write to other lawyers in that puerile, combative manner - instead it's a public message to the MAGAts, warning them that an indictment is coming and setting them up for more grifting.

Irish_Dem

(80,415 posts)
70. Yes this makes sense.
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:43 PM
May 2023

It is not a legal letter, it is a marketing letter to raise money.

And to stir up anger and hatred. Maybe Trump's violent army in the wings
will start threatening the DOJ and future jury members etc.

And the attorneys let Trump write the letter quite badly, so that the legal
community knows they didn't write it.

lastlib

(27,789 posts)
75. Jack Smith gives the same response, but....
Tue May 23, 2023, 10:10 PM
May 2023

...without the first paragraph.

"Dear tRump lawyer,

ESAD.

With all due respect,
Jack Smith"

malaise

(294,169 posts)
8. STFU Slobfather
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:16 PM
May 2023

Consequences are finally coming.

Buckle up folks. Looks like Walt Nauta was very naughty.😀😀

EarlG

(23,489 posts)
10. Jeez, that's from his lawyers?
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:17 PM
May 2023

“Blah blah blah Hunter Biden blah blah blah.”

Guess they went to Fox News law school.

LudwigPastorius

(14,379 posts)
41. Lionel Hutz had more integrity in his pint of Colonel Kwik-E-Mart's Bourbon than Trump's...
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:00 PM
May 2023

lawyers have in their entire bodies.

ancianita

(43,162 posts)
42. Has he even paid them yet to sound like him,
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:01 PM
May 2023

or are they applying for the job. Not in a legal circle, but both firms are on the same block of Pennsylvania Avenue.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,546 posts)
21. I can't imagine any legitimate attorney debasing themselves publicly like that.
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:35 PM
May 2023

Especially for a client known to be a deadbeat.

Ocelot II

(129,730 posts)
28. TFG can't hire legitimate lawyers any more.
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:44 PM
May 2023

Everybody he hires ends up unpaid, humiliated and/or disbarred. If these guys aren't MAGAM true believers they must be desperate for business; either way they are making monumental asses of themselves.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
96. Oh, he can hire them
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:35 PM
May 2023

He only has to pay a massive retainer up front.

Lawyers will represent anyone if they're paid enough for it. They're not stupid, though. Especially not trial (criminal defense) lawyers, who spend their lives dealing with criminals. That's why trial lawyers typically have a policy requiring a retainer, up front, to secure representation. With some criminals, they'll let them put up a house as collateral, but most put down cold, hard cash. Any legit lawyer will demand from a known deadbeat like TFG to pay a cash retainer, up front. And it will start at around $10million. If he refuses to pay, well, thanks for your interest in our business, but we won't represent you without the retainer. Have a nice day.

Takket

(23,552 posts)
31. apparently drumpf posted that image himself on truth social.
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:47 PM
May 2023

I googled the law firm and the lawyer and they are very much real. I cannot fathom that being real though, i mean, what kind of lawyer would write something like that? How in the world could any lawyer actually think their client's situation will IMPROVE based on a letter like that?

Ocelot II

(129,730 posts)
43. Maybe TFG got ahold of some of the firm's letterhead.
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:02 PM
May 2023

I can't imagine a lawyer with a remaining shred of professional self-respect writing something like that.

Marthe48

(22,862 posts)
53. They got hold of letterheads to make letters for the fake elector scheme
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:18 PM
May 2023

I must be punchy. I'm getting giggly reading this thread

FoxNewsSucks

(11,546 posts)
51. I went to the website too,
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:11 PM
May 2023

probably getting more traffic tonight than the rest of their existence.

Must be real, it's on Lawrence O'Donnell now.

The mockery they will get. . .

BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
25. Injustices perpetrated?? Rich indeed
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:40 PM
May 2023

Do these guys write for SNL?

And always gratuitously toss in HUNTER BIDEN.

RussBLib

(10,464 posts)
27. WTF is so outrageous and unlawful?
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:43 PM
May 2023

The DOJ has followed rules to the hilt.

A letter from Garland politely telling them to stuff it would be nice.

SMDH

Ocelot II

(129,730 posts)
30. If Garland responds at all, chances are he'll tell them
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:47 PM
May 2023

he's not involved in the case and if they have a problem to take it up with Jack Smith, the Special Counsel.

hlthe2b

(113,196 posts)
34. So clearly dictated by Trump--only the grammar and spelling cleaned up by attorneys
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:48 PM
May 2023

How embarrassing to work for this ludcrous cretin.

LudwigPastorius

(14,379 posts)
39. Trump's lawyers have nothing.
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:57 PM
May 2023

They'd have to be idiots to even represent him in the first place.

I hope the AG tells them to fuck off. He's a busy man. If they've got something of substance to say to him they can put it in another letter.

Kablooie

(19,075 posts)
46. So the government can not do an investigation?
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:05 PM
May 2023

What have Republicans been doing for the past decades.

If there is no criminal behavior why would he object to an INVESTIGATION?
It would only serve to clear his name.

elleng

(141,926 posts)
48. Anyone familiar with The West Wing,
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:05 PM
May 2023

this letter reminds me of this:

'Please don't hurt me.'



((I'll be re-watching The West Wing later.))

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,770 posts)
50. Reads like it's from MAGAt Law, PLLC.
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:08 PM
May 2023

Isn't it unethical for a defense attorney to claim "baselessly investigated" when the investigation is still on-going and discovery is yet to be presented?

Also seems illogical to claim "ongoing injustice" when justice is yet to be rendered by a court.

This level of raw political hackery should disqualify this attorney from acting before a court, IMO.


KY.........

PortTack

(35,816 posts)
57. I'm surprised the letter didn't mention no investigation into Hillary's wrongdoing!!
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:24 PM
May 2023

After all we all know what a criminal she is!

Ocelot II

(129,730 posts)
66. The more I think about it the more I believe it was intended as a message to the MAGAts
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:38 PM
May 2023

and not really meant as a serious request to Garland for a meeting, since they must know that's not likely to happen, at least not in response to that snotty, childish demand. The lawyers have already debased themselves by agreeing to represent TFG in the first place, so they probably figured they couldn't go much lower by writing a letter in TFG's voice for public consumption through TFG's fake Twitter.

ecstatic

(35,032 posts)
59. well hurry up. please
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:32 PM
May 2023

That nonsense-filled, trump-dictated letter won't do shit for trump now. Welcome to the big leagues.

Maeve

(43,346 posts)
60. So...Biden and family ARE being treated fairly??
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:32 PM
May 2023

Did anyone who gradutated 3rd grade write that?????

(and yeah, the spelling was intended. So was the reference to 3rd grade, which Beverly Hillbillies fans will get)

Maeve

(43,346 posts)
93. I admit it has been a long time since I watched Jethro cipherin' and I guess it was a
Wed May 24, 2023, 07:31 AM
May 2023

6th grade education (this morning I am down at my main computer and able to look things up), but that letter sound even more ignorant than he would have written. Ye, dawgies!

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,900 posts)
67. Maybe He Should Stomp His Widdle Foot And Threaten To Hold His Breath
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:40 PM
May 2023

Every time I hear his tired old "It's not FAIRRRRRRRR!!!" routine, which is pretty much every other minute, all I can think of is a petulant toddler shouting at his parents before collapsing to the floor in tears.

How very manly when a guy pushing 80 and trying to play himself up as a tough guy does it.

ybbor

(1,727 posts)
68. Lol
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:43 PM
May 2023

This is so funny!

The exact opposite of constructive critique: start with something positive, and then state things to work on/correct; attack you and then, ask so would you be willing to meet about maybe being so harsh on me.

Ridiculous!

Lucky Luciano

(11,841 posts)
69. The ideal response-
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:43 PM
May 2023

Dear Mr Rowley,

It has come to my attention that some clueless fucking moron is signing your name to stupid letters. I have attached one such letter in this correspondence in the hopes that you can use it to track down and punish the imposter that is making you look like a fool.

Regards,
AG Garland

jmowreader

(52,996 posts)
72. Garland's reply:
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:52 PM
May 2023

Dear Mr. Rowley:

Hillary Rodham Clinton's email address is hrc@clintonfoundation.org. (It probably isn't, but it'll do for now.) Feel free to ask her all about baseless investigations.

Very truly yours,
Attorney General Garland

usaf-vet

(7,771 posts)
84. Where do they fined these self delusional idiots willing to knowingly defend this lying bastard.
Tue May 23, 2023, 10:44 PM
May 2023
At the very least, they should know they likely won't be paid.
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
87. So obvious .... Planting the seed everywhere on social media
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:07 PM
May 2023

That it's all bogus! And it's working.

No one in their constituency believes ANY indictment!!!!!

Yikes almighty!!!!!!!!

Have no earthly idea how to counteract. Hope better minds do...

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