All of the polling shows that the majority of the voters think three things:

[everyonematters]

Prices are two high. Biden is too old, and Trump is a disgusting person. Biden has traveled the country promoting his accomplishments, and is running tv ads. It hasn't made any difference. His approval ratings remain in the low Fortys. Near 40% of the voting population considers themselves to be independents. Many of them are cynical of both major parties. If ever there was a time where a third party candidate could take hold and affect the 2024 election, this is it.

I would agree with most people on this board that Biden has done a good job with the cards that he was dealt, but the majority of the voters, including Democrats think Biden is too old.

The Democratic politicians are not rock stars or Jesus. They are fallible human beings like the rest of us. Joe is letting his ego get the better of him.

I believe a candidate like Gavin Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer would handily beat any MAGA candidate. With Joe, there is the possibility of a third party candidate winning or allowing Trump to win.

[Lovie777]

1. Bullshit.................

next.

[wryter2000]

5. Exactly

Why did I use so many words?

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Perfectly stated.

I agree. The OP should be taken down.

[brooklynite]

48. "The OP should be taken down" because you disagree with it?

The OP suggested that other respected Semocrats would be better candidates. If you disagree, you can can offer an opposing viewpoint.

[rurallib]

23. eloquently and forcefully stated

[niyad]

2. You might want to reconsider that ego line. And, to which polls are you referring?

[wryter2000]

3. Joe beat Trump last time

He’ll beat him harder this time. He owns that creep. Don’t buy the media’s horse race crap.

[katmondoo]

4. Joe has so much knowledge about how congress works, I can trust him to make the right decisions.

His age will benefit all of us. So many crazy people in congress we just need him.

[wryter2000]

7. He's also sick of the MAGA BS

And doesn’t hesitate to speak his mind.

[BlackSkimmer]

6. I disagree with you about Newsom, but I agree with everything else in your post.

The coming election worries me.

[EarlG]

8. Newsom and Whitmer?

Gavin Newsom Shelves Own Presidential Ambitions, Endorses Joe Biden Reelection Run

California Governor Gavin Newsom officially endorsed President Joe Biden’s reelection bid on Tuesday. And an individual close to Newsom told TheWrap the governor is shelving his own presidential ambitions for a 2024 run as a result. "Our democracy is under attack," Newsom wrote on Twitter. "Our freedom is being stripped away. It’s time to step up — and there’s no one better to lead that fight than President Biden. Looking forward to another four years of his leadership."

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/gavin-newsom-shelves-own-presidential-184529240.html

Whitmer named national co-chair of Biden re-election campaign

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer will serve as one of seven co-chairs of President Joe Biden's re-election campaign. In the role, Whitmer will act as a key fundraiser and representative of the Biden administration's message. She will serve as an ambassador at events and in media.

https://www.abc12.com/news/politics/whitmer-named-national-co-chair-of-biden-re-election-campaign/article_b6bdcee0-e48f-11ed-8d6b-1b5d20f820b2.html

[dchill]

13. Information is key! 👍

[emulatorloo]

18. ++++++++++++++++

[50 Shades Of Blue]

9. Of all the Democratic presidents I've voted for, I've never still felt as positive about any of them

2-1/2 years in as I still do about Joe Biden. I already have contributed to his 2024 campaign and got a new mug and t-shirt for 2024, too! I can't wait to vote for Biden/Harris again.

[DestinyIsles]

10. I remember Democrats wanted to replace Biden with Cuomo in 2020

and guess what we dodged a major bullet there with all the stuff that came out about Cuomo later.

"Joe Biden is letting his ego get the better of him" , where did this come from?

Remember the hand wringing about Kayne West taking black votes away from Biden in 2020, and it turns out that didn't have any effect

Also Newsom already stated he is not running this time and Whitmer is Biden's co chair for the Inauguration that rules out that.

We are in late May starting June, it would be too late for any well known Democratic challenger to come in.

A long drawn out primary on the Democratic side is what we will help Trump more than anything else.

Thank you for your "concern".

[madaboutharry]

11. No.

[MN2theMax]

12. Hard NOPE

Biden has been an excellent president. Why would we want to give away the power of an incumbent to run again. The third party candidates that have been rolled out are so bad that only a republican would consider voting for them.

[GhostHunter22]

25. In essence, I agree with you - Joe Biden has done an excellent job as President.

But why then does polling show Biden with such low approval ratings - even among Democrats? Any why do so many prefer we were running someone else?

Is it because the Biden administration hasn't been vocal enough about his many, many victories?

I am not playing devil's advocate, I am actually curious because it really confuses me how so many people don't have a clue with regard to what sort of impact Biden has had on their lives and don't see the (to me) incredibly obvious difference in how the government is being run under this Democratic President as opposed to what we had with TFG.

Realistically if Biden can't convey just how successful he's been (with his Comms team), the media sure as Hell isn't going to it for him which has me a touch unsettled to be perfectly honest.

[LakeArenal]

37. See post 34 as answer to additional bs.

And here’s a couple more just for you.

Emerson: Biden 70%; Kennedy 21%; Williamson 8%
Joe crushing it!
Political Polls
@Politics_Polls • Follow
2024 National Democratic
Primary:
Joe Biden 70%
Robert Kennedy Jr. 21%
Marianne Williamson 8%
@EmersonPolling, RV, 4/24-25


Joe Biden Is Old. Get Over It.
(David Rothkopf at the Daily
Beast - great pro-Biden piece)
https://www.thedailybeast.com..
Archive page at https:///archive.ph/Swxil

[GhostHunter22]

55. Weird.

Ipsos has him at 40% and Reuters tracker at 46% - nationally.

I'm not entirely sure a poll of Democratic Primary voters is the best gauge for the national pulse (which is what I was getting at - not how Democrats see him but the rest of the country), but I guess anyone can cherry pick which poll they'd like to refer to when trying to legitimize an argument.

[Johonny]

15. How much does 2023 polling matter to a 2024 election

Not that much

[emulatorloo]

17. Indeed. The election is 18 months away if my math is correct.

[emulatorloo]

16. 1. He's gotten a ton accomplished 2. He's smart as hell and runs rings around Republicans. 3

3. the incumbency advantage (google it). 4. He beat Trump like a drum and will again.

[mcar]

19. "All of the polling"

[doc03]

20. I agree with the age thing but both parties have it rigged

so a third party doesn't have a chance.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

51. The third parties rigged themselves

Because they're too bloody S-T-U-P-I-D to be in the brass ring offices they run for.

You want to win? Start winning school boards, city councils, dog catcher. Do it in more than one part of the country. Then state offices. Then Congressional reps. Then--and only then--will you have a broad enough base of support to win as POTUS.

But, oh no--Third parties here can't be arsed to do it the smart way, which happens to be the hard way. They're bloody morons, so they always always always try to win from the top down, rather than the bottom up.

Which is a) why they fail, and b) why they're too silly and useless to vote for. When you're too bloody stupid to build a party machinery before running for the brass ring, you're too bloody stupid to be in office.

QEbloodyD.

[Midwestern Democrat]

54. Well, if you look at our country's history, the emergence of a new party required the collapse of

one of the two major parties. At the beginning, the two major parties were the Democrats and the Federalists; the Whigs emerged from the collapse of the Federalist party and the Republicans emerged from the collapse of the Whig party. I think a third party today would basically require the same scenario to become truly viable - defections of prominent politicians from one or both of the major parties to the new party.

[bucolic_frolic]

21. Take your Biden bashing ........ /nt

[JohnSJ]

28. +++

[Hugh_Lebowski]

22. Well I agree with the first sentence ... except it should say 'too' not 'two' (nt)

[JohnSJ]

27. I don't know, maybe the number "2" also thinks prices are too high

[lapfog_1]

35. reminds me of something... what was it... oh yeah...

[mahina]

24. I thank God every day that it's Joe up there fighting. Nobody else is prepared for what he's doing,

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Better. Nobody is better prepared for this fight with them on the budget. He has seen at all and he knows all their games he knew they were never gonna back down or be reasonable negotiator. He was there in 2008 when they wouldn’t even sit down and talk to Barack Obama to avoid a catastrophe they put their own advantage ahead of the whole countries and he knew they would do it again

People think he’s old? Really? This just in.
Michael Moore’s most recent podcast rumble, explained why the low approval numbers. You could listen to it if you want to.

If you know anyone who lives in a red state, it would be better. If you ask them to call their legislators and write their legislators and go see the legislators office and tell them they don’t want us to default and to make a deal now that doesn’t hurt the American people.

[JohnSJ]

26. What "ego" does President Biden have are you talking about? He probably has the least ego of a

President in recent times.

Does the OP understand the power of experience and incumbency?

The Op is citing approval polls as a reason not to choose President Biden. The problem with approval polls is a lot of people don’t answer calls from numbers they don’t recognize, and I don’t think that is properly factored in. That also isn’t how presidential candidates are elected.

How about the issues? Abortion, workers rights, civil rights, women rights, the environment, the Supreme Court and judicial appointments, etc etc etc

I suggest more people will vote on where a candidate is on the issues, rather than age.

It is also offensive that out of all the possible candidates you suggest, you ignore the Vice President

[Lancero]

31. Given the age mention, proably the same kind of ego people accuse Mrs. Feinstein of having.

No surprise that we're seeing these attacks pushed out against Biden - The RW spun up outrage against her as a trial run for the kind of stuff they wanted to use against Biden. Going by DU's opinions regarding her these days, that trial run was a massive success.

[LakeArenal]

38. See post 34 and 37.

The Biden bashing is what’s too old.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

52. Stop with the polling excuses

People are still being contacted for polling. Pollsters know how to use texts and voicemail, even email, to get through to potential polling subjects.

Really.

I was contacted by text during the 2022 voting cycle. I responded when I knew what they were wanting. I was not alone.

About as many agree to be polled as they ever did. Before the call-filtering days, do you have any idea how many people simply hung up on pollsters, rather than talk to them? More than zero. Very much more than zero.

Pollster reluctance is as old as polling. It's not an excuse for how the numbers pan out, and never was.

[maxsolomon]

29. He may be old, but he's doing a great job.

No drama, just competence.

IMHO, his stutter has more to do with his public perception than his age.

[Spazito]

30. What a load of codswallop.

[Demsrule86]

32. No, primarying a sitting president who has announced would give the GOP the General. And

I like Gavin Newsome but he can't win PA or Wisconsin... must-win states. I am not sure he could win Virginia. He would not easily move the center. And the polls you cite are right-wing bullshit polls. Joe Biden also has the incumbent advantage which is very important. Gretchen is great but too soon. What you ought to do is hope very hard that all goes well and Biden can be our candidate. There is no other candidate that can win a General in 24.

[lapfog_1]

33. you are lying

Bidens numbers are higher now... over 50 in many polls.

Joe is doing a great job as our President and he will be our party nominee.

No 3rd party candidate is going to make any difference to the election UNLESS that 3rd party candidate is named Donald Trump (somehow). And if that is the case, Joe will win in a huge landslide.

[LakeArenal]

34. Bullshit. I have posted the opposite in headlines in rebuttal

Here’s a couple just for you. But it does get tiring.

The Rasmussen Reports daily
Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Vote
Monday, May 08, 2023
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential
Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden's job performance. Forty-eight percent (48% disapprove.
Monday, May 08, 2023
https://www.rasmussenreports

Biden at 50% approval rating!
YouGov Poll
BREAKING A new poll from @YouGov
/@Economist shows that @POTUS
@JoeBiden
's approval rating has jumped to 50%!
Even more impressive, the same poll showed Biden's approval rating at 39% last June and has shown steady improvement ever since.
YouGov/Economist: President Biden Job

Get with the program and quit your bitching.

[womanofthehills]

39. Latest Rasmussen daily polls

Thursday, May 25, 2023
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll, sponsored by Matt Palumbo's MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN, for Thursday shows that 43% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Fifty-five percent (55%) disapprove.

The latest figures include 24% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 46% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -22. (see trends)

[LakeArenal]

41. That's why polls are bs too.

A week later they Poll something different.

So feel free to dismiss my poll but I can post more headlines that are positive for Biden.

You can keep pressing your negativity but as you can see most of us call it bs.

[JohnSJ]

43. +++

[JohnSJ]

42. You are using a Rasmussen poll?

[BannonsLiver]

36. Delete your account.

[louslobbs]

40. I already took out the garbage this morning....

I don’t think they’ve picked up yet so I’m gonna run this out to the trash real quick.

[wryter2000]

50. LOL

[betsuni]

45. Anyone who says that about ego has no idea who Biden is.

[LakeArenal]

46. Or wants to agitate.

[JohnSJ]

47. +++

[uponit7771]

49. Biden's approval rating is par for the generation, why the push for 3rd party? tia

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

53. Third party pushers

Are always fools.

The time to run a third party POTUS candidate is around, oh, 20 years after you've been winning local races for dogcatcher and city council. Only after you've built a party through winning from there in multiple parts of the country, then state reps, then statewide offices, then congressional offices--only then can you expect to win POTUS.

You don't win the White House on one silly egomaniac's power-mad fantasies. You win it by building a broad base of support from the ground up.

That's what the third party wankers don't get--and probably will never get. Because they're complete idiots about the basics of running for political office.