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Ukraine's General Zaluzhnyi: The time has come to take back what belongs to us! (Original Post) Tomconroy May 2023 OP
Commander in Chief of The Armed Forces of Ukraine Tetrachloride May 2023 #1
Slava Ukraini! Powerful! niyad May 2023 #2
I hope they do this, sooner the better...Ruskie gov and military sux...nt wcmagumba May 2023 #3
Bravo! Retweeted immediately!!! Native May 2023 #4
Please drone-film the upcoming battles between your Aristus May 2023 #5
The Abrams, Challenger, and Leopard....... AZ8theist May 2023 #7
Or even the T-72, if Russia has any left. Aristus May 2023 #8
I saw an ad today COL Mustard May 2023 #12
The 357th Ukrainian Tractor Regiment COL Mustard May 2023 #10
That's not the kind of battle that's upcoming (by the Russians). WarGamer May 2023 #11
It's like a haka, Ukrainian style. nt Habibi May 2023 #6
Slava Ukraini!!! COL Mustard May 2023 #9
Glory to the Heros! littlemissmartypants May 2023 #13

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
5. Please drone-film the upcoming battles between your
Sat May 27, 2023, 05:44 PM
May 2023

new M1 Abrams, Challenger II, and Leopard II tanks, and those Russian death traps.

I would pay to see that!

AZ8theist

(5,459 posts)
7. The Abrams, Challenger, and Leopard.......
Sat May 27, 2023, 06:26 PM
May 2023

DON'T STAND A CHANCE AGAINST THE MIGHTY T-54!!!!!!!!!!!!

(It's ONLY 70 year old technology!!)



Maybe Putler will roll out more T-34's prominently displayed during the May Day parade..
Or better yet, he can negotiate with Ukrainian farmers to return some of his property....

Aristus

(66,328 posts)
8. Or even the T-72, if Russia has any left.
Sat May 27, 2023, 06:37 PM
May 2023

I’m pretty sure any T-80’s and T-90’s would be scrap metal too, if they had any left.

But as with any tank-to-tank matchup, crew training and morale are the decisive factors. Hell, back when the T-55 was still a first-line tank (at least for Syria and Egypt) the Israelis took them out with some old, upgunned Shermans.

The Ukrainians may be getting tired, but they’ll still kick those Russians asses.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
12. I saw an ad today
Sat May 27, 2023, 07:14 PM
May 2023

For beer bottle openers made from Russian T-80s. Who says those tanks aren’t good for anything!?!?!?

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
11. That's not the kind of battle that's upcoming (by the Russians).
Sat May 27, 2023, 07:14 PM
May 2023

MBT aren't used in a defensive role like this.

Ukraine will use modern MBT to break through defensive lines rapidly.

Russia will rely on trenches, mines and AT barriers to slow them down and then funnel them into kill zones where they can be destroyed by longer range artillery. And yes, artillery quite easily knocks out modern MBT. Armor is thinnest on top.

I expect a hell of a fight with higher Ukrainian casualties than Russian losses because that's just a fact of military history of a defensive battle over fortifications.

But in the end I expect Ukraine to take back quite a bit of land, possibly 30% of what is currently held by Russia.

Ukraine is hoping to start a stampede of retreating soldiers, breaking their already weak wills.

Russia is hoping to make the counter offensive bloody and costly for Ukraine, weakening the resolve of the West.

Oh and I expect the Russian air force to finally make an appearance in force.



COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
9. Slava Ukraini!!!
Sat May 27, 2023, 07:10 PM
May 2023

🇺🇦🇺🇸🇬🇧🇩🇪

And all the other countries that are supporting freedom!!!

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