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applegrove

(118,915 posts)
Tue May 30, 2023, 03:11 PM May 2023

Trump Pledges to End Birthright Citizenship

Trump Pledges to End Birthright Citizenship

May 30, 2023 at 12:48 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 164 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/30/trump-pledges-to-end-birthright-citizenship/

"SNIP......

Donald Trump promised if elected he would sign an executive order on day one of his second term in office effectively ending birthright citizenship.

.......SNIP"

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Trump Pledges to End Birthright Citizenship (Original Post) applegrove May 2023 OP
That would require amending the Constitution The Blue Flower May 2023 #1
Not a problem in TrumpWorld 2. dchill May 2023 #10
That depends... is there 5 votes on the Supreme Court that would justify this bullshit? In It to Win It May 2023 #12
Doubtful TexasDem69 May 2023 #19
My bad In It to Win It May 2023 #22
The Supreme Court generally doesn't ignore TexasDem69 May 2023 #26
They ignore the Constitution edhopper May 2023 #30
Disagree TexasDem69 May 2023 #31
Yup Ed, Bush v Gore. roamer65 May 2023 #32
What the Constitution says is irrelevant to the unqualified right wing ideologues on the SCOTUS. NutmegYankee May 2023 #25
The Supreme Court can't change the Constitution Ocelot II May 2023 #24
The Constitution, you mean that thing he said we should terminate? Maru Kitteh May 2023 #39
I believe that would be the 14th Amendment and Uncle Joe May 2023 #48
Oh, sure, just use an EO to change the Constitution! Ocelot II May 2023 #2
Who would buy his shitty condos in FL if Russians can't fly preggo family members in to give birth? TheBlackAdder May 2023 #29
Now we have a "War on babies." ntp AnnaLee May 2023 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2023 #35
Quite a few and Canada is exploring it, too ... marble falls May 2023 #38
Post removed Post removed May 2023 #41
Welcome back! Spazito May 2023 #42
I didn't trust im, who was it? marble falls May 2023 #44
Library Girl... Spazito May 2023 #45
Would that apply to Baron (aka Anchor Baby)? jls4561 May 2023 #4
Applies More to Donald Trump erpowers May 2023 #9
Trump mother viva la May 2023 #16
In theory: without birthright citizenship, treestar May 2023 #43
14th Amendment Donnie! ProudMNDemocrat May 2023 #5
Assface is trying to out do desatan. Cha May 2023 #6
Asshole thinks he'll be king. NT Happy Hoosier May 2023 #7
He wanted to be king the first time. ShazzieB May 2023 #46
Political Wire does sloppy reporting. LiberalFighter May 2023 #8
Political Wire is just an aggregator. You always have to check the source they cite Ocelot II May 2023 #13
Lemme guess--someone is getting divorced? n/t DFW May 2023 #11
Since his hotels have made a fortune from it Easterncedar May 2023 #14
Let us review. viva la May 2023 #15
Will that be before or after he repeals Obamacare? gratuitous May 2023 #17
EOs are the lazy President's way to govern... Mark.b May 2023 #18
It's in the Constitution, so.... Ocelot II May 2023 #20
Trump is the Greatest President in history! Mopar151 May 2023 #21
What About Deep State Witch May 2023 #23
Let's start with the Russian birth tourists in Florida dalton99a May 2023 #27
I thought this was the Onion seriously Tribetime May 2023 #28
This is some of the stupidest BS Trump and the right has pulled yet LostOne4Ever May 2023 #33
Yes. What a waste the fascists are. applegrove May 2023 #34
Does that include Barron? Kid Berwyn May 2023 #36
Melanie looks coked out of her mind. nt Maru Kitteh May 2023 #40
That might be a moot point. ShazzieB May 2023 #47
He might as well just say on day 1 he'll declare himself dictator or Liberal In Texas May 2023 #37

In It to Win It

(8,310 posts)
12. That depends... is there 5 votes on the Supreme Court that would justify this bullshit?
Tue May 30, 2023, 03:28 PM
May 2023

Last edited Tue May 30, 2023, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)

TexasDem69

(1,899 posts)
26. The Supreme Court generally doesn't ignore
Tue May 30, 2023, 08:22 PM
May 2023

Clear terms of the Constitution. The 14th Amendment is pretty clear. I could be wrong but I’d be surprised. And since Trump isn’t going to win in 2024 it’s probably moot.

roamer65

(36,748 posts)
32. Yup Ed, Bush v Gore.
Tue May 30, 2023, 11:46 PM
May 2023

It was Florida state matter, not a federal one.

SCOTUS stuck it nose in where it didn’t belong constitutionally and shut off the counting of legally cast votes in FL.

Ocelot II

(115,985 posts)
24. The Supreme Court can't change the Constitution
Tue May 30, 2023, 04:39 PM
May 2023

and there's no possible interpretation of the clear language of the citizenship clause that would let TFG do that.

Uncle Joe

(58,548 posts)
48. I believe that would be the 14th Amendment and
Wed May 31, 2023, 01:30 PM
May 2023

from what I can tell the Republican Party doesn't believe in that part of the Constitution, or we wouldn't be having this manufactured national debt crisis.



Amendment XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

(snip)

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

(snip)

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv



As they don't respect Section 4 and at least some of them don't respect Section 3 I don't expect them to give a whole lot of respect to Section 1.

Ocelot II

(115,985 posts)
2. Oh, sure, just use an EO to change the Constitution!
Tue May 30, 2023, 03:13 PM
May 2023

Why didn't we think of that? Somebody should tell Joe Biden about this great idea so he can do some meaningful gun control without anybody arguing about the Second Amendment, and maybe we can get rid of the Electoral College! Just a couple of little EOs!

Response to AnnaLee (Reply #3)

Response to marble falls (Reply #38)

Spazito

(50,597 posts)
45. Library Girl...
Wed May 31, 2023, 11:21 AM
May 2023

the username and avatar were ones she would use and her second post was the proof to me.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
9. Applies More to Donald Trump
Tue May 30, 2023, 03:25 PM
May 2023

It seems to apply more to Donald Trump than Barron Trump. Didn't Donald Trumps grandfather come to the United States illegally to get out of serving in the German military. If not for birthright citizenship at least one of Donald Trumps parents would not have been an American citizen. It is possible neither of his parents would have been citizens without birthright citizenship. Both of his parents were children of immigrants. However, I do not know if his grandparents on both sides of the family came to American illegally. How would that have affected Donald Trump's citizenship status? Can you be an American citizen if one of your parents is not a citizen?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
43. In theory: without birthright citizenship,
Wed May 31, 2023, 11:03 AM
May 2023

the citizenship acquired through parents laws would control.

§1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

So if this were repealed:

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

TFG would probably qualify through his father's residence for the required 5 years. Ironically, he'd be just like Obama,who would have qualified the same way through his mother's residence.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,897 posts)
5. 14th Amendment Donnie!
Tue May 30, 2023, 03:15 PM
May 2023

Says anyone born in the U.S.A is a Citizan and resident of the state the birth took place.

What a dumb fuck!

ShazzieB

(16,645 posts)
46. He wanted to be king the first time.
Wed May 31, 2023, 01:17 PM
May 2023

Next time, he wants to be Supreme dictator for life. (And in the name of all that is holy, however you chose to define that, may there never, EVER be a next time. )

LiberalFighter

(51,349 posts)
8. Political Wire does sloppy reporting.
Tue May 30, 2023, 03:17 PM
May 2023

No information provided as to what allows citizenship when born in the USA.

If he is going to say that I should be elected President and I would by executive order revoke citizenship for Trump and his immediate family. Do the same for Murdock and his employees. And all republican members of Congress, Florida, Texas, the Dakotas, and a few other states.

Ocelot II

(115,985 posts)
13. Political Wire is just an aggregator. You always have to check the source they cite
Tue May 30, 2023, 03:29 PM
May 2023

which in this case is just TFG's Fake Twitter post.

viva la

(3,364 posts)
15. Let us review.
Tue May 30, 2023, 03:37 PM
May 2023

He himself was the son of a Scottish immigrant. His first 3 and last children were the get of soviet bloc immigrants.

Gee.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. Will that be before or after he repeals Obamacare?
Tue May 30, 2023, 03:39 PM
May 2023

Remember that broken promise about what he'd do on day one? Perhaps one of the reporters so assiduously carrying the former guy's water for his grandiose promises could remind him of the promises he broke?

Mark.b

(21 posts)
18. EOs are the lazy President's way to govern...
Tue May 30, 2023, 03:42 PM
May 2023

If he truly cared about the issue, he would work to make it law.

The next President can simply do away with the EO. Live by them; die by them.

Mopar151

(10,012 posts)
21. Trump is the Greatest President in history!
Tue May 30, 2023, 04:11 PM
May 2023

All the others are unworthy, usurper and pretenders. Once he ascends to King, there will be no law or phony Constitution to hold back the winning!!!!!




Deep State Witch

(10,478 posts)
23. What About
Tue May 30, 2023, 04:37 PM
May 2023

All of those Russian women who used to fly over to the US and stay in resorts in Miami to have their babies so that they could have a US passport? Let's start with them!

Oh, wait... a lot of them stayed in Trump properties.

LostOne4Ever

(9,296 posts)
33. This is some of the stupidest BS Trump and the right has pulled yet
Wed May 31, 2023, 12:14 AM
May 2023

Yes let’s go back to the days where people could arbitrarily deny citizenship to groups they don’t like and bring the problems of Statelessness to the US…

Fucking xenophobic fascist bigots destroy everything they touch!

ShazzieB

(16,645 posts)
47. That might be a moot point.
Wed May 31, 2023, 01:24 PM
May 2023

Do we know when Melania was naturalized?

Actually, never mind. We know for a fact that one of his parents was an American citizen, so it's a moot point.

Liberal In Texas

(13,613 posts)
37. He might as well just say on day 1 he'll declare himself dictator or
Wed May 31, 2023, 10:01 AM
May 2023

president for life or fuhrer or fearless leader because that's what he wants to do.

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