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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe most sensitive documents at Mar-a-Lago were found in Trump's office?
Why was that?
Were these the "personal mementos" that he was so fond of holding on to, as some of his supporters have stated? That doesn't appear to be the case.
One of his attorneys, Evan Corcoran, said that he was prohibited from searching Trump's office, just a day before the Feds came to search the place. It has not yet been reported who prohibited him from searching Trump's office?
When the Feds went in with a search warrant, they found all the most sensitive documents in the office, some of them in his desk.
If that doesn't raise a red flag, then nothing will.
What were his plans for the documents? Who did he show them to? Did he make copies? Did some of them contain intelligence that would help Russia in their war against Ukraine?
Will we ever know the truth?
Walleye
(45,191 posts)It never entered his head that the FBI would get a search warrant and come to his place
bullimiami
(14,075 posts)kentuck
(115,483 posts)...of the copies?
bullimiami
(14,075 posts)stopdiggin
(15,588 posts)ever resided at Mar-a-lago. About the only thing that has definitively emerged from the 'documents' investigation (despite a whole lot of breathless speculation) - is that the retention was illegal (with Trump's own lawyers advising him so) - and that there appears to a fairly clear case of obstruction in regards to the 'return' (with, again, Trump's own lawyers providing that narrative).
OAITW r.2.0
(32,402 posts)we at least get to know what these TS documents were about. Not details just, for instance-
TS#1 - Iran's nuclear capability
TS#2 - Saudi Arabia / Kashoggi
TS#3 - Russian Clandestine Operations
I don't care about the love letters to his dictator friends, but I sure would like to know, at least generally, what Trump had a compelling interest to steal.
Kid Berwyn
(24,803 posts)America's first Russian agent pee-resident has caused immeasurable harm to the security of the United States.
How many of our agents have been rolled up? Executed? Turned?
Alice Kramden
(2,954 posts)"Russian agent pee-resident"
Duppers
(28,470 posts)newdayneeded
(2,493 posts)because it's near his copy machine of course!
gab13by13
(32,551 posts)The grand jury hasn't met since May 5th. Put 2 and 2 together, we are waiting for Merrick Garland to pull the trigger.
According to former prosecutors, stolen document indictments should be falling "within days, weeks, of Memorial Day.
It's been long enough now Garland, a Trump trial won't happen before the election.
kentuck
(115,483 posts)If they decide to put him back in office, then it would be very difficult to prosecute.
gab13by13
(32,551 posts)According to former prosecutors, Trump could be indicted for 3 crimes;
Obstruction of justice
Espionage Act crime
Conspiracy under the espionage act.
Probably 40 years of jail time altogether.
Tanuki
(16,482 posts)I think we can draw our own conclusions.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-republicans-florida/2021/04/09/fb243b9c-9878-11eb-962b-78c1d8228819_story.html
"On Thursday night, the Mar-a-Lago Club hosted a dinner for more than 100 people, put on by a conservative activist group, at which the clubs owner, former president Donald Trump, spoke for more than an hour. On Friday, the club was booked again, for a lunch fundraiser to benefit Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).
Arkansas gubernatorial candidate Sarah Sanders and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) also have fundraisers scheduled at the club this weekend. And Saturday night, the Republican National Committee has reserved Mar-a-Lago for a 400-person banquet. The price tag for that dinner: more than $100,000, according to a person involved in the planning.
The GOP is still Donald Trumps party. The clearest proof of that: It is still finding ways to pay Donald Trump money.
Since Trump left office, at least six Republican candidates have held fundraisers at the former presidents Florida properties. This weekend, at least six more events will be put on by GOP-allied group.
.....
Since Trump left office, he has spent almost all his time at the Mar-a-Lago Club, where he has both a private apartment and a new office in the clubs old bridal suite. The clubs members applaud him every time he shows up for dinner, and again when he departs. Aides say he rarely feels the need to leave the grounds, except to play golf at his own club nearby.
So Republicans come to him.
Some just come for meetings, to pose for photos or videos that can be shared on social media, as a political imprimatur. The bridal suite has hosted a whos who of politicians looking for what Trump calls his total and complete endorsement of their plans, among them House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), and a range of senators and candidates. On Tuesday afternoon, Sen. Bill Hagerty (R-Tenn.) stopped by."...(more)
MineralMan
(151,457 posts)"See, this is how important I am!"
gab13by13
(32,551 posts)Bob Mueller was lied to by Bill Barr. Andrew Weissmann wanted to follow the money but Barr lied that DOJ was already investigating the money.
Bev54
(13,487 posts)allegorical oracle
(6,515 posts)both drumpf and HRC would begin getting security briefings. Knew, as sure he was breathing, that he wouldn't be able to contain his compulsive, reptilian ego to keep anything secret. Always must be the biggest hotshot in every room.
Tanuki
(16,482 posts)Remember this? And we would never have seen this infamous photo had it not been published in Russian state media, as Trump had barred American journalists from the meeting.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html
"President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trumps disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information the president relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said Trumps decision to do so endangers cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trumps meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency.
This is code-word information, said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.....(more)
bluestarone
(22,352 posts)Yea i blame TFG 100% but our system failed us without doubt! SOMEONE has got to be in charge so THIS can NEVER happen again!
gab13by13
(32,551 posts)is supposed to keep track of top secret documents that move in and out of the Oval Office.
The White House Secretary quit, I think a week or two before the classified documents were packed up for Mar-el-Loco. I think Mark Meadows took over the Secretary's job. Meadow's job was to keep Trump's hands clean.
I haven't heard anyone from the MSM talk about this, even Nicolle. 😊
bluestarone
(22,352 posts)NEVER NEVER can this happen again!!
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)More questions:
Is truth absolute?
Is a courtroom relevant in any discussion about Trump?
Was Trump actually ever allowed to be close enough to secrets of consequence?
Who allowed that?
Pepsidog
(6,365 posts)like that before. He smiled ear-to-ear, so wide was his smile that it caused his eyes to squint. You see Trump grin like a prick sometimes but that picture with Kislyak and Lavrov tells you all you need to know about Benedict Donald.
allegorical oracle
(6,515 posts)his entire life. Nothing else.
republianmushroom
(22,498 posts)That right trump's office.
28 months and counting
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)CHARGE him. The longer they wait, the more it looks political as the primaries draw closer.
triron
(22,240 posts)kentuck
(115,483 posts)That justice is able to put all politics aside and judge fairly by the facts, as understood by a jury.
The decision may be to let the people declare the verdict at the next election. And, even if they did, and won, the other side would still say it was stolen and that it was a fraud. The frog gave the scorpion a ride. In the final analysis, the frog understood that the scorpion was still a scorpion.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)And how we just watch too much TV to. understand how it REALLY works
world wide wally
(21,836 posts)Then Trump cashed in.
Simple as that.
Midnight Writer
(25,595 posts)The most sensitive documents have sturdier, moisture-resistant covers. Donald is really worried about moisture rings on his expensive executive desk.
I hope Donald's lawyers give me some credit when they use this excuse in court.