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kentuck

(115,483 posts)
Wed May 31, 2023, 08:46 AM May 2023

The most sensitive documents at Mar-a-Lago were found in Trump's office?

Why was that?

Were these the "personal mementos" that he was so fond of holding on to, as some of his supporters have stated? That doesn't appear to be the case.

One of his attorneys, Evan Corcoran, said that he was prohibited from searching Trump's office, just a day before the Feds came to search the place. It has not yet been reported who prohibited him from searching Trump's office?

When the Feds went in with a search warrant, they found all the most sensitive documents in the office, some of them in his desk.

If that doesn't raise a red flag, then nothing will.

What were his plans for the documents? Who did he show them to? Did he make copies? Did some of them contain intelligence that would help Russia in their war against Ukraine?

Will we ever know the truth?


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The most sensitive documents at Mar-a-Lago were found in Trump's office? (Original Post) kentuck May 2023 OP
The former president doesn't understand the power of the United States government Walleye May 2023 #1
Reportedly many were copies. bullimiami May 2023 #2
Do we know if the Feds recovered any of the originals? kentuck May 2023 #3
Good question I have not seen an answer for. bullimiami May 2023 #15
in fact, we don't know if the originals stopdiggin May 2023 #16
My one hope - when the indictment and trial begins... OAITW r.2.0 May 2023 #4
Top Secrets don't grow on trees. It takes spies. Kid Berwyn May 2023 #5
Good title: Alice Kramden May 2023 #23
Exactly. Duppers May 2023 #27
Why was that? newdayneeded May 2023 #6
IMO Jack Smith is ready to indict, gab13by13 May 2023 #7
The voters will have the final verdict on Donald Trump? kentuck May 2023 #8
Didn't we already hear that back in 2020? Yeah, I hear ya, we must GOTV. gab13by13 May 2023 #10
That's where donors paid top dollar for "private meetings" with him. Tanuki May 2023 #9
Well, sure. Those are the documents he most wanted to show people. MineralMan May 2023 #11
With Trump, always follow the money. gab13by13 May 2023 #13
And what was it Garland has said from the very start. "We will follow the money" Bev54 May 2023 #20
Waaay back in the 2016 race, recall getting really uncomfortable when it was announced that allegorical oracle May 2023 #12
I think we can safely assume the worst. Tanuki May 2023 #14
THIS can NEVER be repeated! bluestarone May 2023 #17
A person called the White House Secretary gab13by13 May 2023 #18
The sec. that quit needs to meet with Smith. (i'm hoping that already happened) bluestarone May 2023 #21
Good questions. jaxexpat May 2023 #19
Look at the pic above with Trump and Russian diplomats in his office. Have you ever seen Trump smile Pepsidog May 2023 #22
He smiles like that when he feels like he's the biggest rooster in the room. And that's the point of allegorical oracle May 2023 #28
And guess where trumps attorney, who certified that trump didn't have anymore doc's, didn't search. republianmushroom May 2023 #24
"and counting". Yep. I'd think the evidence is abundant. oldsoftie May 2023 #26
I am bewildered by the delay. triron May 2023 #30
We assume that it is not about politics. kentuck May 2023 #31
I'm sure someone will be along to scold us on "procedure" oldsoftie May 2023 #32
Was there a dollar to be made off of these documents? world wide wally May 2023 #25
He was just using them as coasters. You know the humidity in Florida make those Diet Coke cans sweat Midnight Writer May 2023 #29

Walleye

(45,191 posts)
1. The former president doesn't understand the power of the United States government
Wed May 31, 2023, 08:50 AM
May 2023

It never entered his head that the FBI would get a search warrant and come to his place

stopdiggin

(15,588 posts)
16. in fact, we don't know if the originals
Wed May 31, 2023, 10:11 AM
May 2023

ever resided at Mar-a-lago. About the only thing that has definitively emerged from the 'documents' investigation (despite a whole lot of breathless speculation) - is that the retention was illegal (with Trump's own lawyers advising him so) - and that there appears to a fairly clear case of obstruction in regards to the 'return' (with, again, Trump's own lawyers providing that narrative).

OAITW r.2.0

(32,402 posts)
4. My one hope - when the indictment and trial begins...
Wed May 31, 2023, 09:11 AM
May 2023

we at least get to know what these TS documents were about. Not details just, for instance-

TS#1 - Iran's nuclear capability
TS#2 - Saudi Arabia / Kashoggi
TS#3 - Russian Clandestine Operations

I don't care about the love letters to his dictator friends, but I sure would like to know, at least generally, what Trump had a compelling interest to steal.

Kid Berwyn

(24,803 posts)
5. Top Secrets don't grow on trees. It takes spies.
Wed May 31, 2023, 09:11 AM
May 2023

America's first Russian agent pee-resident has caused immeasurable harm to the security of the United States.

How many of our agents have been rolled up? Executed? Turned?



gab13by13

(32,551 posts)
7. IMO Jack Smith is ready to indict,
Wed May 31, 2023, 09:18 AM
May 2023

The grand jury hasn't met since May 5th. Put 2 and 2 together, we are waiting for Merrick Garland to pull the trigger.

According to former prosecutors, stolen document indictments should be falling "within days, weeks, of Memorial Day.

It's been long enough now Garland, a Trump trial won't happen before the election.

kentuck

(115,483 posts)
8. The voters will have the final verdict on Donald Trump?
Wed May 31, 2023, 09:20 AM
May 2023

If they decide to put him back in office, then it would be very difficult to prosecute.

gab13by13

(32,551 posts)
10. Didn't we already hear that back in 2020? Yeah, I hear ya, we must GOTV.
Wed May 31, 2023, 09:27 AM
May 2023

According to former prosecutors, Trump could be indicted for 3 crimes;

Obstruction of justice
Espionage Act crime
Conspiracy under the espionage act.

Probably 40 years of jail time altogether.

Tanuki

(16,482 posts)
9. That's where donors paid top dollar for "private meetings" with him.
Wed May 31, 2023, 09:22 AM
May 2023

I think we can draw our own conclusions.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-republicans-florida/2021/04/09/fb243b9c-9878-11eb-962b-78c1d8228819_story.html


"On Thursday night, the Mar-a-Lago Club hosted a dinner for more than 100 people, put on by a conservative activist group, at which the club’s owner, former president Donald Trump, spoke for more than an hour. On Friday, the club was booked again, for a lunch fundraiser to benefit Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).

Arkansas gubernatorial candidate Sarah Sanders and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) also have fundraisers scheduled at the club this weekend. And Saturday night, the Republican National Committee has reserved Mar-a-Lago for a 400-person banquet. The price tag for that dinner: more than $100,000, according to a person involved in the planning.

The GOP is still Donald Trump’s party. The clearest proof of that: It is still finding ways to pay Donald Trump money.

Since Trump left office, at least six Republican candidates have held fundraisers at the former president’s Florida properties. This weekend, at least six more events will be put on by GOP-allied group.
.....

Since Trump left office, he has spent almost all his time at the Mar-a-Lago Club, where he has both a private apartment and a new office in the club’s old bridal suite. The club’s members applaud him every time he shows up for dinner, and again when he departs. Aides say he rarely feels the need to leave the grounds, except to play golf at his own club nearby.

So Republicans come to him.

Some just come for meetings, to pose for photos or videos that can be shared on social media, as a political imprimatur. The bridal suite has hosted a who’s who of politicians looking for what Trump calls his “total and complete endorsement” of their plans, among them House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), and a range of senators and candidates. On Tuesday afternoon, Sen. Bill Hagerty (R-Tenn.) stopped by."...(more)

MineralMan

(151,457 posts)
11. Well, sure. Those are the documents he most wanted to show people.
Wed May 31, 2023, 09:36 AM
May 2023

"See, this is how important I am!"

gab13by13

(32,551 posts)
13. With Trump, always follow the money.
Wed May 31, 2023, 09:50 AM
May 2023

Bob Mueller was lied to by Bill Barr. Andrew Weissmann wanted to follow the money but Barr lied that DOJ was already investigating the money.

allegorical oracle

(6,515 posts)
12. Waaay back in the 2016 race, recall getting really uncomfortable when it was announced that
Wed May 31, 2023, 09:38 AM
May 2023

both drumpf and HRC would begin getting security briefings. Knew, as sure he was breathing, that he wouldn't be able to contain his compulsive, reptilian ego to keep anything secret. Always must be the biggest hotshot in every room.

Tanuki

(16,482 posts)
14. I think we can safely assume the worst.
Wed May 31, 2023, 09:53 AM
May 2023

Remember this? And we would never have seen this infamous photo had it not been published in Russian state media, as Trump had barred American journalists from the meeting.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

"President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information the president relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said Trump’s decision to do so endangers cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency.

“This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”....(more)

bluestarone

(22,352 posts)
17. THIS can NEVER be repeated!
Wed May 31, 2023, 10:13 AM
May 2023

Yea i blame TFG 100% but our system failed us without doubt! SOMEONE has got to be in charge so THIS can NEVER happen again!

gab13by13

(32,551 posts)
18. A person called the White House Secretary
Wed May 31, 2023, 10:19 AM
May 2023

is supposed to keep track of top secret documents that move in and out of the Oval Office.

The White House Secretary quit, I think a week or two before the classified documents were packed up for Mar-el-Loco. I think Mark Meadows took over the Secretary's job. Meadow's job was to keep Trump's hands clean.

I haven't heard anyone from the MSM talk about this, even Nicolle. 😊

bluestarone

(22,352 posts)
21. The sec. that quit needs to meet with Smith. (i'm hoping that already happened)
Wed May 31, 2023, 10:59 AM
May 2023

NEVER NEVER can this happen again!!

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
19. Good questions.
Wed May 31, 2023, 10:39 AM
May 2023

More questions:
Is truth absolute?
Is a courtroom relevant in any discussion about Trump?
Was Trump actually ever allowed to be close enough to secrets of consequence?
Who allowed that?

Pepsidog

(6,365 posts)
22. Look at the pic above with Trump and Russian diplomats in his office. Have you ever seen Trump smile
Wed May 31, 2023, 11:15 AM
May 2023

like that before. He smiled ear-to-ear, so wide was his smile that it caused his eyes to squint. You see Trump grin like a prick sometimes but that picture with Kislyak and Lavrov tells you all you need to know about Benedict Donald.

allegorical oracle

(6,515 posts)
28. He smiles like that when he feels like he's the biggest rooster in the room. And that's the point of
Wed May 31, 2023, 12:25 PM
May 2023

his entire life. Nothing else.

republianmushroom

(22,498 posts)
24. And guess where trumps attorney, who certified that trump didn't have anymore doc's, didn't search.
Wed May 31, 2023, 11:21 AM
May 2023

That right trump's office.

28 months and counting

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
26. "and counting". Yep. I'd think the evidence is abundant.
Wed May 31, 2023, 11:42 AM
May 2023

CHARGE him. The longer they wait, the more it looks political as the primaries draw closer.

kentuck

(115,483 posts)
31. We assume that it is not about politics.
Wed May 31, 2023, 02:13 PM
May 2023

That justice is able to put all politics aside and judge fairly by the facts, as understood by a jury.

The decision may be to let the people declare the verdict at the next election. And, even if they did, and won, the other side would still say it was stolen and that it was a fraud. The frog gave the scorpion a ride. In the final analysis, the frog understood that the scorpion was still a scorpion.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
32. I'm sure someone will be along to scold us on "procedure"
Wed May 31, 2023, 03:03 PM
May 2023

And how we just watch too much TV to. understand how it REALLY works

Midnight Writer

(25,595 posts)
29. He was just using them as coasters. You know the humidity in Florida make those Diet Coke cans sweat
Wed May 31, 2023, 01:58 PM
May 2023

The most sensitive documents have sturdier, moisture-resistant covers. Donald is really worried about moisture rings on his expensive executive desk.

I hope Donald's lawyers give me some credit when they use this excuse in court.

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