Judge Says The Government Must Answer By Friday Who Paid For George Santos's Bail

[babylonsister]

https://www.politicususa.com/2023/05/31/george-santos-bail.html

Posted on Wed, May 31st, 2023 by Jason Easley
Judge Says The Government Must Answer By Friday Who Paid For George Santos’s Bail


A federal court has imposed a Friday deadline on the DOJ to answer media requests for the release of information about who bailed out George Santos.

The press has filed a request to unseal the documents with the court:

NEW: New York federal court sets Friday deadline for Justice Dept and defense attorneys to respond to media request to unseal details about who provided Rep. George Santos's (R-NY) bail in federal criminal case earlier this monthhttps://t.co/4BUHtaGdfv

— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) May 31, 2023

The answer to the question of who posted bail for Rep. Santos could be both very interesting and telling. If somebody within the Republican Party posted bail for Santos that would indicate that they are planning on doing nothing to get rid of the indicted congressman because they value his vote more than they value the House.

George Santos is currently facing 13 federal charges, including seven charges of wire fraud, three charges of money laundering, one count of theft of public funds, and two counts of making false statements to the House of Representatives.

As soon as Kevin McCarthy linked himself, and by extension the Republican Party to Santos, this sort of situation was bound to happen.

If a high-profile donor bailed out Santos that would raise more questions than answers. How deep does the George Santos corruption run within the Republican Party? The nation could get its first insight into an answer on Friday.

[gab13by13]

1. Wouldn't releasing that information be partisan?

Cannot have DOJ giving the appearance of being partisan.

[brush]

4. No, the press and the public has a right to know how deep...

the corruption is in the republican party.

[LiberalFighter]

2. Why would the DOJ have anything to do with the bail?

Isn't that done in court?

[bpj62]

12. Federal Court

Santos was charged in Federal Court so any bail matters would be under purview of the DOJ as Santos would have been held in a federal lockup if no one posted bail for him.

[Botany]

3. My guess is that the bail money came from Russian Oligarch Oleg Deripaska who was paid for ....

DeVolder's (Santos) campaign in 2022 through a relative, the same Oleg Deripaska that Mueller
indicted for rat f*****g the 2016 election, the same Oleg Deripaska who Bill Barr dropped the
charges that Mueller brought against him, the same Oleg Deripaska who had FBI agent McGonigal
on Putin's payroll in 2016* to hurt HRC's campaign, and the same Oleg Deripaska who along with
the Russian Agent Konstantin Kilimnik got not just polling data but data analytics from Paul Manafort
so Russia could micro target given areas in the 2016 election to install Trump into the White House.

Tony DeVolder (Santos) is a Russian paid for chaos agent and Kevin McCarthy is well aware of just
how dirty DeVolder is and his Russian connections. I don't predict a big future for DeVolder because
he is a loose end and Putin doesn't like loose ends.


* Oleg Deripaska was still paying McGonigal after he left the FBI in 2017.

[underpants]

5. Well I learned something this morning

Thanks.

[Botany]

7. With Trump, Fox News, and a lot of the GOP Nancy Pelosi said it best.

[Hekate]

19. Absolutely iconic photo of Mme Speaker in her J'Accuse moment against Trump

[Botany]

21. The three to Trump's right can't hide their shame. Mark Milley, Meadows, and ?

n/t

[Hekate]

22. Not sure ...

[BumRushDaShow]

35. It's possible that it is Pompeo.

[NYC Liberal]

57. I think it's Steve Scalise

[BumRushDaShow]

58. Could be

it does look like his head.

Wider angle pic -

[NYC Liberal]

63. Found a WaPo article that has a list of everyone!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/17/who-was-white-house-photo-meltdown-meeting-annotated/

[BumRushDaShow]

64. Thank you!

I had been scanning around for an attendee list and only came up with sources that had partial ones.

[orleans]

46. the three on the right look like mark miley,

mark hamill & john lithgow



really -- from my computer (and i can't enlarge the picture) that's who it looks like to me

[ShazzieB]

51. Enlarging wouldn't help much, I'm afraid.

The resolution isn't high enough. When you zoom in, it just gets blurry.

I could swear I've seen a larger, higher resolution version of the original photo, but I have no idea where or how to find it.

[Aimee in OKC]

61. WikiMedia offers choices of pixel sizes/resolution

Last edited Sat Jun 3, 2023, 11:21 AM - Edit history (1)

Highest res is 5,000 × 3,333 pixels =

[Lonestarblue]

26. The bowed heads at the table are revealing of men who just want to be somewhere else

as Madam Secretary takes Trump to the cleaners! You just know that all of them are saying to themselves, “Oh my God, how fast can I get put of here and escape Trump’s insanity?”

[gab13by13]

6. DeVolder will fill out his term

then Magats will dump him.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

10. In a functioning democracy over which the Press stand as guardian this man would have been forced

to resign long ago.

Remember Al Franken!

[ancianita]

13. +1

[Obvious85]

14. Yikes. It is shocking how this is public info and

nothing is done about Oleg

[Botany]

20. Garland charged him in the fall of '22 of violating the sanctions placed on Russia after they ....

.... they invaded Ukraine in the winter of '22. They also charged him with something to do
trying to get his girlfriend into the U.S. so she could have their baby on U.S. soil so he/she
would be a U.S. citizen.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-unseals-indictment-against-oleg-deripaska-violating-sanctions-2022-09-29/

[lindysalsagal]

15. It's much of the GQP: We've known the russians are buying the gqp for years.

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/05/08/how-putin-s-oligarchs-funneled-millions-into-gop-campaigns/

[WhiteTara]

25. Bannon's piggy bank daddy

may have been the one who paid for Santos. Guo

[2naSalit]

28. +1

[uponit7771]

48. jus fuckin wow ... all GQP MAGA in DC are sell outs

[marble falls]

8. Roger Stone paid it.

[gab13by13]

16. Harlan Crow paid it,

[spanone]

9. K&R

[mn9driver]

11. When Santos is eventually expelled and sent to prison, a Democrat will likely replace him.

If McCarthy had a bigger vote margin, Santos would still be in jail. I don’t know the New York rules for special elections, but they may be trying to delay long enough to get to 2024. For the GOP, an empty seat is better than one with a Democrat in it.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. There are 2 different Judges

I remembered this thread - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217943133 with this article -

A judge reportedly held a secret hearing with the 3 anonymous people sponsoring George Santos's $500,000 bail

Jacob Shamsian
May 24, 2023


A judge overseeing the federal criminal case against Rep. George Santos of New York held a secret hearing with the three people on the hook for his $500,000 bond and went to extraordinary lengths to keep their identities secret, according to a new court filing.

Santos was arraigned in federal court on Long Island on May 10, pleading not guilty to a 13-count criminal indictment where federal prosecutors alleged he stole funds from political donors meant for campaign expenses, illegally took pandemic unemployment payouts, and lied to Congress on financial forms.

US Magistrate Judge Anne Shields allowed Santos to be released on a $500,000 bond that would be cosigned by three different suretors who would guarantee the bail funds. The names of those bail sponsors weren't disclosed at the arraignment hearing. And the bond documents haven't appeared on the public court docket in the two weeks since — a departure from normal practice in criminal cases.

(snip)

"It is our understanding that the Court also held at least one subsequent hearing with the suretors," Green wrote. "However, it appears these bond proceedings were not open to the public, and no record of the hearing appears in the docket." It's unclear whether the hearing was overseen by Shields or US District Judge Joanna Seybert, to whom Santos's case has since been assigned. The Times's letter asked Seybert to unseal any bond records, as well as the transcript of the sealed hearing with the bail sponsors.

https://news.yahoo.com/judge-reportedly-held-secret-hearing-002041971.html

So it's a bit confusing regarding the mention only referencing "the government" in the politicsusa headline as it might not necessarily have been done at DOJ's insistence but if the defendant's lawyers requested that the bail sources be sealed, and that was granted.

[H2O Man]

18. Recommended.

[MayReasonRule]

23. The Optics From Each And Every Angle Reveal Machiavellian Fascists Behind Every Turn

Here's to the dissolution of Y'all Qaeda's Nat-C Fascist G.O.P.!

[crickets]

24. K&R for the post and the discussion.

[BumRushDaShow]

27. UPDATE (per McFarlane) - Defense asks for "additional time"

Link to tweet

Scott MacFarlane
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NEW: Rep George Santos (R-NY) defense attorney asks court for additional time to respond to filing by news media seeking unsealing of documents showing who paid Santos’s bond in criminal case
Scott MacFarlane
@MacFarlaneNews
NEW: New York federal court sets Friday deadline for Justice Dept and defense attorneys to respond to media request to unseal details about who provided Rep. George Santos's (R-NY) bail in federal criminal case earlier this month

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nyed.497085/gov.uscourts.nyed.497085.13.0.pdf
4:13 PM · Jun 2, 2023

So it's not necessarily "the government" holding back but "the defense".

[malaise]

30. I hope no extension is granted

That is all

[BumRushDaShow]

31. And DOJ just filed a motion to say they have no skin in the game

Link to tweet

Scott MacFarlane
·
Jun 2, 2023
@MacFarlaneNews
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NEW: Rep George Santos (R-NY) defense attorney asks court for additional time to respond to filing by news media seeking unsealing of documents showing who paid Santos’s bond in criminal case
Scott MacFarlane
@MacFarlaneNews
NEW: New York federal court sets Friday deadline for Justice Dept and defense attorneys to respond to media request to unseal details about who provided Rep. George Santos's (R-NY) bail in federal criminal case earlier this month

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nyed.497085/gov.uscourts.nyed.497085.13.0.pdf
Scott MacFarlane
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The Dept of Justice has filed a motion in federal court in New York, essentially saying it has NO position on whether the court should unseal the names of who helped Rep George Santos (R-NY) make bond in his criminal case
6:31 PM · Jun 2, 2023

Up to the judge and the Santos lawyers to work it out. DOJ is like - "leave us out of that".

[malaise]

32. Perfect

[Blue Owl]

29. K&R

DOWN WITH SANTOS

[malaise]

34. Hope we get the name (s) tonight

[SouthernDem4ever]

36. Same here - waiting with baited breath

[malaise]

37. Butter with mine please

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

38. yeah. hopefully

[Cha]

33. Good News! TY

[moniss]

39. I would not be surprised

if it may have been an oligarch of the Russian sort.

[republianmushroom]

40. I like it

[Evolve Dammit]

41. Did they pay in rubles? "They paid in rubles." Senator Al Franken. I miss that man. nt

[Renew Deal]

42. I don't understand why this is a secret

Unless the name is something like Devin McCarty

[Skittles]

45. yes

I would have thought it was public record, who pays for bail

[Scottie Mom]

43. Looks like things are heating up.

IMO, a the answer to that question could be very interesting.

I still want to know who paid off Brett Kavanaugh's debts.

[Hotler]

44. People that pay other people's bail in Atlanta get arrested.

The Details of the Atlanta Bail Fund Arrest Are More Horrific Than First Described.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/the-details-of-the-atlanta-bail-fund-arrest-are-more-horrific-than-first-described/ar-AA1bZWVX?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=2fa1dd4081f0410f87fc900a6694a472&ei=37

[orleans]

47. so when is this big reveal going to be revealed?

and why is santos getting all this special treatment when no one else does?

it's 11pm eastern. cough it up judgie

[Deuxcents]

50. It's now 1:06 AM...anyone know?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

49. the speculation game is in high gear

"Is indicted Chinese billionaire tycoon Guo Wengui secretly bankrolling George Santos's bail?"

https://news.yahoo.com/indicted-chinese-billionaire-tycoon-guo-205708502.html

All this is going to bolster the name of yet one more rotten grifter.

[stopdiggin]

52. I was under the impression (see inserted)

was thoroughly settled ground?

If somebody within the Republican Party posted bail for Santos that would indicate that they are planning on doing nothing to get rid of the indicted congressman because they value his vote more than they value the House.

Um, yeah? Like months and months back?

[malaise]

53. Is indicted Chinese billionaire tycoon Guo Wengui secretly bankrolling George Santos's b

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-santos-bail-guo-wengui-secret-bond-sponsor-theory-2023-6

The three people on the hook for George Santos's $500,000 are anonymous in court filings.
"That is information you'll never get," Santos said when asked about their identities.
In recent months, he's become supportive of exiled Chinese tycoon and Republican patron Guo Wengui.

[BumRushDaShow]

54. UPDATE - NOW EXTENDED TO MONDAY 6/5/23 - not done by Seybert but by Magistrate Shields

(had to dig) - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67358443/united-states-v-devolder-santos/

United States v. Devolder Santos (2:23-cr-00197)
District Court, E.D. New York

Last Updated: June 2, 2023, 4:47 p.m.

Assigned To: Joanna Seybert
Referred To: Anne Shields
Citation: United States v. Devolder Santos, 2:23-cr-00197, (E.D.N.Y)
Date Filed: May 9 2023
Date of Last Known Filing: June 2, 2023

(snip)

Document Number Date Filed Description

(snip)

15 Jun 2, 2023

First MOTION for Extension of Time to File Response/Reply as to 13 MOTION to Unseal Document filed by Dana Green, Senior Counsel for the New York Times Company, 14 MOTION to Unseal Document American Broadcasting Companies, Inc., d/b/a ABC News, The Associated Press, The Atlantic Monthly Group LLC (publisher of The Atlantic), Bloomberg L.P, Cable News Network, Inc., Insider, Inc., National Public Radio, Inc., by George Anthony Devolder Santos. (Murray, Joseph) (Entered: 06/02/2023)

Main Doc­ument Extension of Time to File Response/Reply Download PDF


16 Jun 2, 2023

Main Doc­ument Response to Motion Download PDF


Jun 2, 2023

Order on Motion for Extension of Time to File Response/Reply


Jun 2, 2023

ORDER granting 15 Motion for Extension of Time to File Response/Reply as to George Anthony Devolder Santos. Defendant is granted until 5:00 PM on Monday 6/5/23 to respond to the pending motions. There shall be no further extensions of time. (1)Ordered by Magistrate Judge Anne Y. Shields on 6/2/2023. (Shields, Anne)

[aocommunalpunch]

56. Lock this POS up already. n/t

[malaise]

62. Good

Monday it is

[Beachnutt]

55. It's 5 a.m. Sarurday Morning

Now what Judge ???

[BumRushDaShow]

59. See this posted just before you posted

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17966411

[onenote]

60. To make things clear, Santos was not ordered to reveal the names.

He was given until Friday, now extended until Monday, to respond to a motion filed by various news organizations to unseal the records that include the names of those putting up Santos' bail.

The news organizations would then have an opportunity to respond to whatever Santos' attorneys file (presumably an opposition to the motion to unseal the records), at which point the court would consider the pleadings and issue a decision.

It appears that some of the posts in this thread assumed that Santos had been ordered to disclose the names by Friday (and now Monday). That is incorrect.

[sarcasmo]

65. Guo Wengui is Santo's sugar daddy.