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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust suppose...
..that Donald Trump was working with Vladimir Putin and Russian oligarchs to destroy America?
He won't say. However, he will not say whether or not he inspired a cult of his followers to attack the US Capitol, either.
The people deserve to know.
If it takes a jury of his peers to resolve the issue, then so be it.
In my opinion, this is a time we need to stand up for America and our Constitution.
Scrivener7
(51,059 posts)He didn't think or care beyond that. As long as Putin put him into a position where he could run the bestest scams and cons, he was going to go along. And if Putin's aim in backing him was to destroy America, which it obviously was, tfg didn't mind a bit.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)The arrogance. The "Only I can fix it" mentality.
"I know more than my generals".
Scrivener7
(51,059 posts)we know Moscow was involved in the very successful 2016 psy-op operation of Cambridge Analytica that divided the American people through misinformation and psychological manipulation, and won the election for tfg.
And that psychological manipulation has had effects that will last for a generation at least.
The whole thing was as filthy as could be. And all of it was done right under our noses.
gab13by13
(21,447 posts)Martin Eden
(12,881 posts)TFG doesn't work for any cause other than feeding his insatiable lust, ego, and greed.
Which means he can be manipulated and even blackmailed by players like Putin who are smarter and not disadvantaged by such mental pathologies.
TFG is definitely a Russian asset. The question is what kind of leverage does Putin have over Trump? I suspect it's something more substantial than "pee pee tapes" because his voters have shown they don't care about that stuff.
Bluethroughu
(5,203 posts)Russians buying his condos for over inflated prices, when some sat empty?
The Republican farty has been hanging out with putin since 2010.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)into governments -- and electorates -- to to bring down nations. Simply helping someone like tRump get elected, which we know he did, almost openly, mockingly helping both populist candidates to defeat the Democrats, would obviously have furthered his goals tremendously all by itself.
Even though it seems probable that Putin has/had something on him, I think tRump is always working for himself. An ideology of me, I, my, mine. How could he be president and maybe dictator of a superpower if it's fallen? When has he ever been "trustworthy" or goal-directed about anything except for himself? His homes are in America, and he doesn't like to travel.
Imo, he allies with Russia, NK, Sawdi, etc, because they're renegade authoritarians ALSO rejecting the constraints that western liberal democracies, including our own, put on HIS power. He resents laws, and anything/anyone else, that control him.
I do agree he's capable of attacking his own nation out of malice and rage. He's even bragged about actions taken TO hurt states and citizens. He encouraged his followers to spread deadly disease among themselves, I believe in part out of revenge for not being sufficiently loyal, not coming to his inauguration, etc. (No, not kidding here.)
As for what you call for, it's being done. THOSE people are extremely busy.
Beating the old drum, OUR job is to give them the support and power they have to have to succeed, taking it away from those misusing it to stop them.
Btw, how IS all this working out for Putin and Russia these days? In spite of the disruption, the U.S. industrially, economically, diplomatically and militarily is extremely strong, while Russia's become in some ways a dependent of China. If tRump isn't reelected, and even if he is, it's looking like it all may turn out to have been a fatal error for Russia itself, killing Russia's dreams of reestablishing a new empire.
FakeNoose
(32,833 posts)... but that was never, EVER going to happen. (We know this from Michael Cohen who worked on the project for a while.) It's just further proof of the stupidity of Chump, and how easy it is for America's enemies to manipulate him.
Lock that criminal traitor up!
Irish_Dem
(47,546 posts)Trump has an animal cunning but is not bright or educated.
He is a ruthless greedy narcissistic sociopath who could be easily manipulated by Putin.
Designed to destroy the US, making us look weak and foolish.
And to make democracy look ridiculous.
And to do Putin's bidding.