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On Joy Reid just now . . . . .
White woman calls black kids on her property "ni****rs" and takes an iPad away from one. Kids go home (next door) and tell mom. Mom goes next door to ask white woman what happened, her son beside her. White woman shoots mom through a closed door, killing her. Son sees everything.
They know who white woman is. She has not been arrested.
WHAT
THE
ABSOLUTE
FUCK.
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Stinky The Clown
(67,757 posts)Skittles
(153,104 posts)sheets seems like a....Freudian slip
fucking DeSantis is endorsing this kind of gun humping, racist behavior
Stinky The Clown
(67,757 posts)cilla4progress
(24,713 posts)on Joy Reid.
Hideous.
Chainfire
(17,458 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Chainfire
(17,458 posts)Ocala is cowboy country, I am very familiar with it.
Lochloosa
(16,057 posts)allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)StClone
(11,682 posts)RandySF
(58,443 posts)dalton99a
(81,386 posts)Calls for woman's arrest grow after the fatal shooting of her neighbor in Florida
The children of the victim, identified as Ajike AJ Owens, were playing in Ocala when, attorney Ben Crump said, the woman began yelling at them to get off her land and calling them racial slurs.
June 5, 2023, 2:20 PM CDT / Updated June 5, 2023, 3:50 PM CDT
By Antonio Planas
Calls are growing for the arrest of a woman accused of shooting her neighbor Friday in Florida in an incident a nationally renowned civil rights attorney described as an unjustified killing.
The children of the victim, identified as Ajike AJ Owens, were playing in a field near an apartment complex in Ocala when, attorney Ben Crump said, an unidentified white woman, 58, began yelling at them to get off her land and calling them racial slurs.
According to Crumps statement, after the woman yelled slurs at Owens children, they accidentally left an iPad behind, which the woman took.
When one of Owens children went to retrieve it, she threw it, hitting the boy and cracking the screen. Owens walked across the street to speak to her neighbor after she learned what happened, Crump said.
She knocked on the door, and at that point, the woman allegedly shot through the door, hitting AJ, who later died from her injuries, Crump said.
ShazzieB
(16,265 posts)If he's representing the victim's children, they are in good hands.
ProfessorGAC
(64,827 posts)There's just something about him.
applegrove
(118,462 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,916 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,757 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(9,916 posts)allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)Lochloosa
(16,057 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,757 posts)Yes, I understand that's where it appears this is going but it seems to me and many others SYG is a real stretch.
allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)and called the police to give them an opportunity to intervene. So tragic.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)$100 says the police side with the white shooter as a stand your ground defense
Shes never going to jail for murdering a black person
alfredo
(60,071 posts)Of course shed lose.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)Shoot first, talk later. At least if you are white in Floriduh
sakabatou
(42,134 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,237 posts)while she spoke with AJ's mom and son. Very sad. AJ's mom identified the murderer as "Susan", and said she has not been arrested, taken into custody, nor identified by law enforcement. AJ's mom, the grandmother of the 4 children will now be raising them. If anyone knows of a GoFundMe drive, please post.
Stinky The Clown
(67,757 posts)My heart goes to -=all=- the black grandparents raising grandkids.
markodochartaigh
(1,124 posts)than (small) donor. Check it out before you give.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/Justice-for-Ajike-Owens
WarGamer
(12,326 posts)It rolls off the tongue beautifully...
Means
The true meaning of Ajike cannot be described with just a few words. Your name is your destiny, hearts desire, and personality. Ajike is a name that hints you are a humanitarian and generous individual. Turning our world to be a better place to live fascinates you. Use your creative and artistic talents to promote a cause. You are elegant, sophisticated, and stylish in appearance and behavior.
Celerity
(43,065 posts)(if possible)
they can ALL go fuck themselves with a chainsaw
malaise
(268,664 posts)I used to visit two or three times a year. Have not been once from Slobbys inauguration.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)My son wants us to meet them at Disney World in FL. I told them to change it to Anaheim and I would go there. Won't step foot in that crazy ass state of Fla.
OMGWTF
(3,939 posts)Ive already been to the southern states since theres no way I am going back.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)I have been there already too so I don't feel I am missing out. The beaches and the beauty don't override the weirdness that runs that state.
madville
(7,403 posts)In the previous two years due to the ongoing fued between the two women. Makes you wonder if the shooter tried to do something to lure the victim to her door to try to claim self defense
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https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2023/06/05/florida-neighbor-feud-over-playing-children-ends-with-mom-shot-dead-sheriff-says/
allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,237 posts)Racial slurs were hurled and a black woman is murdered, and 4 children are without their mother. Doesnt sound like a rough case to sort out to me.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,237 posts)defense by describing the incident as a feud between neighbors.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)On 1st degree murder charges, with discussion of the DP.
yardwork
(61,533 posts)TeamProg
(6,021 posts)Warpy
(111,122 posts)with that scary Mom on the other side of a locked door.
It's Florida. It's what that "stand your ground" law was all about, white bigots defending their feelings agains scary black people any time, any place, under any circumstances.
At least the gun survived.
pansypoo53219
(20,952 posts)jaxexpat
(6,795 posts)Call this horrible story what you will. It's just another inevitable and too often repeated example of what happens in a legally and lethally armed society infected with mindless hatred and miscommunication.
It's worth noting that Ocala is just north of that bastion of white privilege, The Villages. Coincidence?
llmart
(15,532 posts)I seem to post that a lot these days.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)George Zimmerman. No legal basis for an arrest.
republianmushroom
(13,454 posts)raccoon
(31,105 posts)Emile
(22,460 posts)paleotn
(17,876 posts)Color me not surprised. If you can leave the sand bar, now is probably the time.
roamer65
(36,744 posts)ASAP.
If I were on the jury and she was declared mentally competent, I would vote yes on the DP.
If she was that scared, call the fucking police.
obamanut2012
(26,041 posts)Murder is murder, no matter who does it.
Lucky Luciano
(11,248 posts)roamer65
(36,744 posts)Response to roamer65 (Reply #44)
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roamer65
(36,744 posts)Just my 2 cents.
Ur a newbie, so hate to see ur post removed and the subsequent dent from for it.
stollen
(419 posts)Have driven it through VA to the GA northern border. A couple of Floidians tailgated me heavily, and I changed lanes.
Hey, your state sucks! North Carolinians aren't afraid to let you know.
TeamProg
(6,021 posts)Initech
(100,029 posts)Fuck the NRA!
LoisB
(7,173 posts)ignorant woman is made to pay dearly (many years behind bars for starters). I don't hold out much hope for that though as it seems to me, from what I have read, that authorities are trying to paint this as a long-standing feud between neighbors with a SYG defense. So long as she had access to a gun, this was a possibility with this woman no matter where she lived.
UpInArms
(51,279 posts)Was that the police had been called numerous times and obviously whatever they did made no difference and yet the wished the dead women would have called so that they could continue to do nothing
LoisB
(7,173 posts)marble falls
(56,996 posts)Upthevibe
(8,006 posts)I AM SICK TO MY STOMACH ABOUT THIS.
That p.o.s needs to be arressted and charged with murder!
DET
(1,297 posts) The sheriff pointed out that because of Floridas stand your ground law, he cant legally make an arrest unless he can prove the shooter did not act in self-defense.
That is insane. So you can basically shoot someone, claim the stand your ground defense, and go on your merry way (perhaps literally) until someone somehow proves that the shooting was not self defense. Im not even sure how self defense is defined in the red states. How about arresting the shooter and making THEM prove that they DID act in self defense.
I know the temptation is there, but we cant really blame law enforcement for this stupid sh*t. This is what the gun culture and the yahoos have done to our country.
How about arresting the shooter and making THEM prove that they DID act in self defense. While I am sickened by this case, we as a nation do not require defendants to prove their innocence. The burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt.
I dont like SYG laws, but it is what it is. We cant have it one way because we dont like a specific law, and another if we do.
usonian
(9,680 posts)It's a slow but reliable connection.
Will try again tomorrow.
I love/hate the internet.
Or cloudflare, or .... who knows?
quakerboy
(13,915 posts)Or is this just standard for florida now?
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)AverageOldGuy
(1,510 posts). . . that Florida is now officially a shithole?
jmowreader
(50,528 posts)lark
(23,059 posts)Destin and Ocala are white nationalist hot spots - avoid them!
ancianita
(35,926 posts)"stand your ground" claims. Let's hope Ben Crump sorts the timeline and evidence out. Page Clarkson is the Marion County DA.
Not fair that the "fuck Florida" folks here are judging the whole state by the worst people and worst county in it.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Its way more than one bad county at this point.
Nobodys disputing there are good Dems in FL but its not unreasonable to be aghast at whats engulfing the state
ancianita
(35,926 posts)It's still wrong to say "fuck Florida" based on the worst of it. I've lived here as a Democrat for 12 years of my life and know how bad some counties are. I'm the first to bitch about them. Don't amplify media portrayals of the racist ugliness that exist everywhere armed racists exist. Florida has no monopoly on them.
"Aghast at what's engulfing the state"? That's pretty disputing. It's a mixed voting state. It's not Idaho level engulfed. So, no.
Repubs only outnumber Dem registrations by around 473,000, yet there are 4,000,000+ registered with no party affiliation. So Democrats should not be writing Florida off when it's got Democratic potential. And don't undermine fellow Democrats' morale when they live in such red states. Because that's exactly what these headlines want us Democrats to do.
Stuart G
(38,410 posts)Widespread availability of GUNS to everyone is most states caused this. .....and...........................................
........this has happened before, and will happen again.............."GUNS, GUNS, GUNS"
mentalsolstice
(4,459 posts)Was it a glass or screened storm door, or was it a solid door?
jmowreader
(50,528 posts)The black woman was on the other side of it.
mentalsolstice
(4,459 posts)I apologize, I am a retired lawyer. So my mind was altered in law school to think this way. As I said in a previous comment I dont agree with SYG laws and I am sickened about this case.
DBoon
(22,338 posts)maxsolomon
(33,232 posts)is that the shooter is elderly and suffers from dementia.
there was a similar case a month or so back - Af-Am kid picking up his sister knocked at the wrong house and senile old Cracker shot him through the door.
LymphocyteLover
(5,636 posts)maxsolomon
(33,232 posts)Some of those afflicted lose their filters and their real feelings come out, or they turn paranoid. It happened before Trump ruined everything, too.
It only turns deadly with guns are added to the mix.
That said, I'm totally speculating - I have zero information that says this woman has dementia. I have no idea how old she is, but I know my father in law was deeply impacted by the time he was 67.
LymphocyteLover
(5,636 posts)maxsolomon
(33,232 posts)Thx for the info.
LymphocyteLover
(5,636 posts)Initech
(100,029 posts)Fuck them all.
cab67
(2,990 posts)The way these idiotic "stand your ground" laws are worded, the police may not have a whole lot of discretion. They may be required to consider "stand your ground" as a positive defense before taking anyone into custody.
In other words - they may not be simply choosing not to arrest the killer in this case. They may be trying to figure out if they're allowed to.
Not saying the police are acting appropriately here. Not saying they're not, either. I don't know either way, at least as far as the letter of the law is concerned. (Morally, they're clearly off.). But these laws were designed to tie law enforcement's hands, and this may be a case in which it's working.
It's my firm belief that Florida will be the first state to overturn these stupid, stupid laws. Someone's going to shoot a tourist from abroad and walk because of "stand your ground." The defense may be ludicrous - any appearance of an altercation may have been caused by a language barrier, for example - but the law is intended to let ludicrous defenses work. There have been travel advisories against visiting Florida because of the gun violence, but we'll see advisories with real teeth when (not if - when) it happens.
One thing we've learned over the past couple of months is that the tourist industry in Florida - and certain tourism companies with rodent mascots in particular - carry more power than the state's governor and probably even the NRA. International tourism dollars will diminish, they'll demand action, and they'll get it.