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demmiblue

(36,845 posts)
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 09:30 AM Jun 2023

Danny Masterson Was Convicted of Rape. What Happens to Scientology?

On the morning of April 25, testimony began in the second rape trial of That ’70s Show actor Danny Masterson after an initial trial ended last November in a hung jury and mistrial.

The first witness on the stand was one of Masterson’s alleged victims, Jane Doe 3, who had been in a relationship with Masterson between 1996 and 2002.

Deputy DA Reinhold Mueller asked her how she was feeling.

“Not great,” she said.

When Mueller asked what might be causing her concern about testifying, she said, “I’m scared.”

“What are you scared of?” he pressed.

“A lot of people in this room. And Scientology,” she replied.

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/danny-masterson-rape-conviction-scientology-accountability-1234764377/
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Danny Masterson Was Convicted of Rape. What Happens to Scientology? (Original Post) demmiblue Jun 2023 OP
My daughter and her husband were involved in the production of the Leah Remini series about Floyd R. Turbo Jun 2023 #1
Leah Remini's series was a big eyeopener for me... Spazito Jun 2023 #2
It did get scary! Floyd R. Turbo Jun 2023 #21
Wow, please pass along my thanks to your daughter and son in law. Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #18
I will! Floyd R. Turbo Jun 2023 #22
demmiblue.......I'll try to remember to post my Scientology story Upthevibe Jun 2023 #3
Scientology goes on Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #4
Nope - it's a cult. This "sex scandal" was protected. Scientology laws prohibit it's AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2023 #6
Sounds exactly like most religions Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #8
"Scientology is just following the normal playbook." Merlot Jun 2023 #11
No, BUT Scientology/Masterson was found guilty of these crimes against Jane Doe 1 & 2. AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2023 #12
It's the same thing with the IBLP, the Duggar family's extreme fundie cult. Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #20
"Rib Lady"!😋 Floyd R. Turbo Jun 2023 #14
Worth reading all of it UpInArms Jun 2023 #5
The fact that Scientology attempted to cover up his crimes speaks volumes. Initech Jun 2023 #7
What does that make the Catholic Church then? Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #9
Italy, home of the catholic church and the mafia Merlot Jun 2023 #13
It came out in the trial that Scientology has written down & forbids reporting crimes to law AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2023 #16
Again Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #17
To quote the Judge, "Asked & answered. Move on." Masterson's attorneys just kept trying. nt AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2023 #19
You really don't think that's standard in a lot of churches? Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #24
Standards for using private detectives? fair game? not involving "wog" law? A CULT not a Religion. AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2023 #27
Definitely not discounting the crimes of the Catholic Church. Initech Jun 2023 #25
Scientology took lessons from the Catholic Church. GoneOffShore Jun 2023 #28
Another weird thing: Scientology's leader's wife hasn't been seen since 2007. Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #23
Maybe she got sent to that forced slave labor camp. Initech Jun 2023 #26
lol why would anyone think anything would happen? WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2023 #10
To an outsider, pretty much every organized religion looks like a cult Orrex Jun 2023 #15

Floyd R. Turbo

(26,546 posts)
1. My daughter and her husband were involved in the production of the Leah Remini series about
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 09:43 AM
Jun 2023

Scientology. They, along with others associated with the show, were threatened and harassed by Leah’s detractors. It got to the point where production team members had to employ decoy vehicles to avoid their harassers and keep secret the filming locations.

Spazito

(50,326 posts)
2. Leah Remini's series was a big eyeopener for me...
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 09:49 AM
Jun 2023

I knew about Scientology enough to see it as cultish but it is more in line with the mafia with their tactics of threats, harassment, intimidation, etc.

Kudos to your daughter and son-in-law for sticking with it through the threats, etc.

Sky Jewels

(7,087 posts)
18. Wow, please pass along my thanks to your daughter and son in law.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 01:09 PM
Jun 2023

That series was very good -- so eye opening.

I love Leah Remini. She always struck me as being so real, funny, down-to-earth, and no-bullshit. No wonder she was able to see through the cult's nonsense, even though she was indoctrinated as a child.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
4. Scientology goes on
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 10:21 AM
Jun 2023

It's like any other religion, sex scandals won't stop it.

And it always cracks me up when people post about the ridiculousness of their dogma that they probably learned from South Park. Their story of cosmic aliens from a long way away who entrapped souls in volcanos who now inhabit people after those volcanos erupted and are the cause of human kind's problems. Is that really much more ridculous than a Cosmic Jewish Zombie, who was his own father, and died for our sins because a talking snake tricked a rib lady into eating some bad fruit?

Scientology is not much different than other religions, they all try to keepo their followers in line and paying dues.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,243 posts)
6. Nope - it's a cult. This "sex scandal" was protected. Scientology laws prohibit it's
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:34 AM
Jun 2023

members from reporting crimes against other members (especially Masterson types) to law enforcement. They are not subject to "wog" law. Scientology ensnares it's members in so much mind fucking shit it's difficult to untangle - like a cult does. Disobeying the rules means a lot of crap comes your way: disconnection from your family, fair game, harassments, exposure of your innermost confessions they've collected, declaring you a suppressive person. It's the Jeffrey Epstein of "religions". AND on top of it all is Scientology is tax exempt!!!! Go figure.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
8. Sounds exactly like most religions
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:00 PM
Jun 2023

Mormonism, Catholicism, etc.

The sex scandal in the Catholic Church contained every element you talk about. People who go against the Mormon Church in Utah face the exact same type of retribution. All sorts of Evangelical churches that do the same things. Sounds like Scientology is just following the normal playbook.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
11. "Scientology is just following the normal playbook."
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:23 PM
Jun 2023

Agreed, though scientology is even more extreme, paranoid and retributive in the way they treat their "members" ie hostages. The other churches cover everything with a veil of politeness and are easier to leave.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,243 posts)
12. No, BUT Scientology/Masterson was found guilty of these crimes against Jane Doe 1 & 2.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:26 PM
Jun 2023

And was hung on the claim against the 3rd Jane Doe, w/the majority favoring guilty.

Testimony in the trial revealed how involved the cult was in protecting Masterson, since he and his victims were all Scientologists. They were all subject to Scientology law, not "Wog" law. Hell, the victims were "counseled" not to call it rape. It could not be reported to law enforcement and it cannot be called rape, or all hell would break lose on these young women, including losing their family.

The victims finally said - fuck it - we're going to the police - and that was a looong and hellacious ordeal, BUT the brave women DID IT!

The defense attorney's tried the old "this is like any other religion" analogy. It didn't work on the jury nor the Judge.

Next is the Civil Trial against Scientology by the Jane Does - I hope they bankrupt this cult, but I think they will offer a settlement to these victims before all the fair game cruelty is revealed.

Sky Jewels

(7,087 posts)
20. It's the same thing with the IBLP, the Duggar family's extreme fundie cult.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 01:15 PM
Jun 2023

That organization's oppressive tactics are exposed in the new documentary "Shiny, Happy People" (I watched on Amazon Prime).

Initech

(100,068 posts)
7. The fact that Scientology attempted to cover up his crimes speaks volumes.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:37 AM
Jun 2023

They are a truly evil organization.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
9. What does that make the Catholic Church then?
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:01 PM
Jun 2023

They successfully covered up literally hundreds of thousands of sexual assaults on children for several decades.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
13. Italy, home of the catholic church and the mafia
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:26 PM
Jun 2023

That's one of those coincidences that took a lot of work.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,243 posts)
16. It came out in the trial that Scientology has written down & forbids reporting crimes to law
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:40 PM
Jun 2023

enforcement. AND once again if you go against Scientology, all hell is expected to be unleashed against the person who disobeys. And the cult carefully collects and keeps the blackmail info on each member. It's a pretty fucked up organization. The only way they got tax exemption is that they had their members flood and overwhelm the IRS with lawsuits and harassment (to the organization and employees), until the director at that time gave in. - Scientology modus operandi.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
24. You really don't think that's standard in a lot of churches?
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 01:22 PM
Jun 2023

Catholicism literally threw people in jail or had them institutionalized who tried to expose sexual assault in the church they were so powerful. Mormons will basically turn your life upside down and make you an outcast in the community and from your families should you go against them publicly. Even the Amsih will shun people for the wrong behavior, which is basically banishment from the place you lived your whole life.

The Catholic Church had all sorts of written down rules against going to police, it's how they got away with covering up sexual abuse so successfully for hundreds of years, and it's ultimately a big reason why they've paid $billions in settlements so far.

Scientology just looked at what the more established religions have been doing for centuries and copied them. Most organized religions have a ton in common with cults. Scientology is awful in that respect, but so are other religions IMO.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,243 posts)
27. Standards for using private detectives? fair game? not involving "wog" law? A CULT not a Religion.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 01:45 PM
Jun 2023

I urge everyone to review this case and the testimony from the three Jane Does to see how involved and fucked up Scientology is. A Scientology book was accidently introduced into evidence by the defense that outlined how to deal with crimes by scientologists against other scientologists - how they cannot be reported to law enforcement, and need to be handled by Scientology. OR, once again, all hell will come down if the rule/law is broken. This book was entered into evidence. - PROOF.

Any proof about your statement about the Catholic church and their "all sorts of written down rules against going to police"?

Initech

(100,068 posts)
25. Definitely not discounting the crimes of the Catholic Church.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 01:22 PM
Jun 2023

They're just as evil. Hell just about all organized religion is. But the more cultish they are, the more evil they are.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
15. To an outsider, pretty much every organized religion looks like a cult
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:30 PM
Jun 2023

But Scientology is indeed a creepy morass.

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