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edhopper

(33,188 posts)
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:30 AM Jun 2023

I grew up in FL around hotels and pools

Last edited Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:27 PM - Edit history (1)

to empty a pool you turn a value and open the drain at the bottom. Much like a bathtub. There is no way to flood any area or room near the pool.
To do that you must physically put in a hose attached to a pump and drain it while you are operating the pump. There is no way to do this without seeing where the water is going.
I would love to see the layout of the pool area and how they could possibly flood a storage room by accident.

Edit: I am adding this. Apparently the tapes were destroyed while the IT equipment were not damaged. How do you pull that off.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/06/05/trumps-swimming-pool-flooded-surveillance-video-room-at-mar-a-lago-report-says/?sh=4ca57e3c2e79

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I grew up in FL around hotels and pools (Original Post) edhopper Jun 2023 OP
Right inthewind21 Jun 2023 #1
Simple. See pool on Google Earth OhNo-Really Jun 2023 #24
I only see one pool but you're right, it is nowhere near the other buildings Maraya1969 Jun 2023 #56
Check if there are pool chemicals in the room and recordings, not just tap water. TheBlackAdder Jun 2023 #51
I wondered about that, too. I did not grow up around pools, Ocelot II Jun 2023 #2
Well, unless you have an ancient pool like mine Silver Gaia Jun 2023 #49
I've drained my in-ground pool several times.... AZ8theist Jun 2023 #52
And you put the drainage hose end edhopper Jun 2023 #54
How else was I supposed to destroy evidence?? AZ8theist Jun 2023 #61
This was no accident LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2023 #3
K&R - It's another trump lie. nt AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2023 #4
I grew up around hotels and country clubs with pools Warpy Jun 2023 #5
I NEVER inthewind21 Jun 2023 #10
That's why it won't do the TFG legal team any favors. Warpy Jun 2023 #23
I designed plumbing systems for 40+ years BillyBobBrilliant Jun 2023 #6
Earthquake? Hurricane? Retrograde Jun 2023 #20
Outside of when you are draining the pool it is a closed loop system Botany Jun 2023 #26
I wonder what the timing was in conjunction with... Spazito Jun 2023 #7
Here ya go inthewind21 Jun 2023 #12
Well, that says it all, imo... Spazito Jun 2023 #15
Trump's pool story? I missed that bit of wisdom. TreasonousBastard Jun 2023 #8
It's probably a complete lie but I wouldn't be surprised if Mar a Lago is falling apart yardwork Jun 2023 #9
It's Florida. The only time you drain a pool is to repair something or refinish it, and Native Jun 2023 #44
this appears to be pulled straight out of the former 'president's' ass. spanone Jun 2023 #11
These criminals are not even very good at hiding evidence IronLionZion Jun 2023 #13
"...by accident." calimary Jun 2023 #14
I wondered the same thing. mgardener Jun 2023 #16
So, who are the hosers ? Tetrachloride Jun 2023 #17
Here ya go!... MiHale Jun 2023 #18
Where the hell edhopper Jun 2023 #19
Why was the pool being drained? mentalsolstice Jun 2023 #21
In these parts (Minnesota) pools are always drained in the fall Ocelot II Jun 2023 #58
Yeah, Trump called it the Winter White House mentalsolstice Jun 2023 #60
Glad Тяцмp is so stupid he don't know how to cover his ass KS Toronado Jun 2023 #22
+100% Shipwack Jun 2023 #48
Aerial view 2 pools OhNo-Really Jun 2023 #25
They'll claim they were stored in the pool by mistake. Vinca Jun 2023 #27
Even Jethro knew how the cement pond worked. Just sayin' n/t Cheezoholic Jun 2023 #28
Rosemary Woods accidentally destroyed 17 minutes of Nixon's dictated tapes while typing ... Hekate Jun 2023 #29
...and that's why Nixon used plumbers. jaxexpat Jun 2023 #30
Lol markodochartaigh Jun 2023 #33
Exactly. 2naSalit Jun 2023 #31
Just on Thom Hartmann markodochartaigh Jun 2023 #32
Behind a pay wall edhopper Jun 2023 #35
That's strange, I'm not a subscriber and I don't markodochartaigh Jun 2023 #37
That article is "tongue in cheek" with regard to previous floodings. llmart Jun 2023 #40
Yes, but the point is markodochartaigh Jun 2023 #42
I don't read it that way. llmart Jun 2023 #46
I was a pool guy for twenty years here in Las Vegas pecosbob Jun 2023 #34
I would like to see on the photos above edhopper Jun 2023 #36
More investigation, more delays. republianmushroom Jun 2023 #38
They are around the corner edhopper Jun 2023 #39
Yep, always. republianmushroom Jun 2023 #41
Trump et al Will Be Sued And Prosecuted Long Past Their Own Personal Demise MayReasonRule Jun 2023 #57
My question would be where were the tapes stored? On the floor? Fla Dem Jun 2023 #43
All Questions edhopper Jun 2023 #47
it is the "Oops we screwed up" defense. The Dog ate my homework.... Ford_Prefect Jun 2023 #45
If it happened canetoad Jun 2023 #50
Normally water damage specialists are brought in to clean up a mess like that. Trumps guys wouldn't brewens Jun 2023 #53
Good point edhopper Jun 2023 #55
The pool story doesn't hold water. RipVanWinkle Jun 2023 #59
 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
1. Right
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:34 AM
Jun 2023

I had a pool. I flooded the back of the property once but never the house. In fact, it would have been impossible to flood the house. Even during a failure, which I had as well. And flooding the back property, I did on purpose.

Ocelot II

(115,270 posts)
2. I wondered about that, too. I did not grow up around pools,
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:36 AM
Jun 2023

but I do know that they are drained from the bottom. The only kind of pool that would be drained with a hose is an above-ground kiddie pool, which is not the pool at Mierda-Loco. Very fishy indeed.

Silver Gaia

(4,514 posts)
49. Well, unless you have an ancient pool like mine
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 08:56 PM
Jun 2023

that has an irreparably clogged main drain at the bottom due to mismanagement by previous owners. Everything else works, though! We had to drain it when we bought the house because it was murky green and stocked with mosquito fish. That required an underwater pump and drain hose to the sewer. We tried to clear the clog in that drain with no success before we refilled it. Anyway, I sincerely doubt that Trump's pool has any problems requiring water to be pumped out, so yeah, that sounds WAY fishy to me too!

AZ8theist

(5,338 posts)
52. I've drained my in-ground pool several times....
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 12:20 AM
Jun 2023

And I always use a submersible pump with a hose. It draws far less current and is much cheaper than running the pool pump continuously for 2 days.

AZ8theist

(5,338 posts)
61. How else was I supposed to destroy evidence??
Thu Jun 8, 2023, 09:50 AM
Jun 2023

I just couldn't afford letting it get out I'm a New York Giants fan......

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
5. I grew up around hotels and country clubs with pools
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:47 AM
Jun 2023

and I agree, although there's a pump involved, also, the one that sucks water through that bottom drain and through the filter, the water squirting back out through outlets in the sides, something I loved as a kid, kids being easily entertained by filtration systems.

Most of those pools weren't pumped dry in the winter, they were left with cold, algae filled water. In the spring, the water would be heavily chlorinated, the algae would die and clear, they'd pump what was left through the filte, change the filter, and then top it up to open it for the season.

My dad had a pool in Florida. The only time he pumped the water out was to have it relined and repainted. He always kept it chlorinated and ready for a dunk but said it was too cold January-May. I pointed out that it was the same temperature as the New England ocean I was used to swimming in during mid to late summer and that a 20 minute swim kept me cool all day, even when heat and humidity were sky high. He made a face and ignored me.

My dad did rig a hose up, he was thrifty and used that discarded pool water on the grass and shrubbery, so it's conceivable that some idiot at MaraLardo didn't hook a hose up properly and the room with the servers got an inch or two of water on the floor. I doubt anything was lost that wasn't intentionally "lost," if you get my drift.

This story isn't doing TFG's legal effort any good. Good.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
10. I NEVER
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:59 AM
Jun 2023

drained the pool. For the same reason you are advised to leave the faucets trickling during a freeze warning,. And in Palm Beach Florida, the average low temps in the winter is around 45 degrees. Makes no sense. Unless they were doing some re-surfacing or major plumbing work it makes no sense to completely drain it to start with. Let alone ONLY flood one room.

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
23. That's why it won't do the TFG legal team any favors.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:36 PM
Jun 2023

My dad's pool was at least 30 years old when he drained it for relining and repainting. Only a major repair caused that, an empty pool in an area with a high water table wouldn't have stayed firmly in the ground if it had been left that way for long.

He was considerably north of Palm Beach, on Merritt Island, where the roof afforded a great view of launches at the Cape.

I sincerely doubt those servers were anywhere near the floor, torrential rains are common in Florida even in the absence of hurricanes.

So selective gaps in the record are highly suspicious.

BillyBobBrilliant

(805 posts)
6. I designed plumbing systems for 40+ years
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:49 AM
Jun 2023

Before retiring this year. During that time I was involved with the construction of a few swimming pools, spas and related systems.
A pool is drained from the lowest point in the floor of the basin. The output of that process is hard piped to the sanitary sewer system.
The episode described is highly suspect, even more so considering the property and the timing.

Retrograde

(10,068 posts)
20. Earthquake? Hurricane?
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:30 PM
Jun 2023

Loma Prieta back in 1989 sloshed a couple of feet of water out of a friend's pool. But that was an unusual circumstance (and a pretty big quake, which Florida doesn't get). And isn't October past the end of hurricane season?

And why would they drain a pool just before the start of the busy winter season?

Botany

(70,288 posts)
26. Outside of when you are draining the pool it is a closed loop system
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:47 PM
Jun 2023

The water goes from the pool to a pump, then through filters, then the needed chemicals are
added to the pool water, in newer pools then the water chemistry tested via a computer, and
then the water is returned to the pool. So when that pool was built was a pipe attached to the
pool's drain to run the pool's water to some office in a different building? Or did some worker
put a pump into the pool and run a hose into the office that got flooded.

Spazito

(49,750 posts)
7. I wonder what the timing was in conjunction with...
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:50 AM
Jun 2023

the employee who moved the boxes asking how the surveillance system worked, etc. Did the 'flood' happen after that? If so, that would certainly go against any claim of an accident, imo.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
12. Here ya go
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:03 PM
Jun 2023
"According to a report from CNN, investigators have questioned multiple Mar-a-Lago employees regarding the flood, which took place in October of 2022. In June of that same year, the Justice Department issued subpoenas requesting access to the resort’s security footage. Sources indicated to CNN a second request was issued for additional footage following the FBI’s search of the property in August, along with a request to preserve footage in late October."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-department-of-justice-questions-mar-a-lago-pool-flood-doj-1234764303/

Spazito

(49,750 posts)
15. Well, that says it all, imo...
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:11 PM
Jun 2023

timing is everything and the timing of the flood relative to the subpoenas for the security footage and the request to preserve footage around the same time is in no way coincidental nor accidental, imo.

Thanks for the info, it was very helpful and informative.

yardwork

(61,408 posts)
9. It's probably a complete lie but I wouldn't be surprised if Mar a Lago is falling apart
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 11:54 AM
Jun 2023

I can imagine the pool leaking and flooding things. But I still think Trump Co is lying, as usual.

Native

(5,935 posts)
44. It's Florida. The only time you drain a pool is to repair something or refinish it, and
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 06:42 PM
Jun 2023

for that you call in professionals. This is so shady.

spanone

(135,632 posts)
11. this appears to be pulled straight out of the former 'president's' ass.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:02 PM
Jun 2023

I was a lifeguard for years and you are correct edhopper

mgardener

(1,799 posts)
16. I wondered the same thing.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:14 PM
Jun 2023

I would specifically have to move my discharge hose to an area to flood it.
Curious an important area of security was put so close to a pool.

edhopper

(33,188 posts)
19. Where the hell
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:24 PM
Jun 2023

were those security tapes stored?
Destroying evidence is another crime he needs to be charged with.

mentalsolstice

(4,454 posts)
21. Why was the pool being drained?
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:30 PM
Jun 2023

I was born and raised in Ft. Lauderdale. We had a pool and I don’t recall it ever being drained. I can understand draining a pool in the north.

An aside, my aunt from DC came down to visit during the winter holidays. She was bound and determined to get a suntan, sitting by the pool, and getting in it on a floatie. My parents and grandparents all looked out the window, taking bets on how long she would last out there. Although it got pretty cold down there, it was never cold enough to warrant draining the pool.

Ocelot II

(115,270 posts)
58. In these parts (Minnesota) pools are always drained in the fall
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 10:06 AM
Jun 2023

because otherwise they'll freeze over and crack. So if you're crazy enough to have one here in the first place you'll drain it for the winter. But Florida? Isn't Mierda-Loco open all winter? Unless they had to do some maintenance, why would they drain it at all? And how in the world would the water leak into the building?

mentalsolstice

(4,454 posts)
60. Yeah, Trump called it the Winter White House
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 11:56 AM
Jun 2023

As I said I grew one county (Broward) south of there. And that’s where he stayed most weekends while he golfed, at taxpayers expense. As I recall he didn’t go there much during the warm months, preferring Bedminster.

I’m so glad we now have a president who prefers to go home to Delaware or to Camp David for the weekends. Just a hop, skip and away.

KS Toronado

(16,901 posts)
22. Glad Тяцмp is so stupid he don't know how to cover his ass
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 12:31 PM
Jun 2023

Plus I'd venture to say someone is capable of retrieving the information from those computers.

Shipwack

(2,138 posts)
48. +100%
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 08:06 PM
Jun 2023

The alphabet agencies have all sorts of data recovery methods...

And since national security issues are involved, I think they will be legally authorized to work their magic.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
29. Rosemary Woods accidentally destroyed 17 minutes of Nixon's dictated tapes while typing ...
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 01:34 PM
Jun 2023

…and reaching to answer the phone.

Shucky-darn, these things just happen.

llmart

(15,499 posts)
40. That article is "tongue in cheek" with regard to previous floodings.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 05:58 PM
Jun 2023

The writer is being sarcastic about how Trump has used that excuse before to hide evidence.

llmart

(15,499 posts)
46. I don't read it that way.
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 07:48 PM
Jun 2023

Unless you put "accident" in quotes. I didn't get that he actually had the accident twice but that he claims he had that happen two times now.

pecosbob

(7,502 posts)
34. I was a pool guy for twenty years here in Las Vegas
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 02:52 PM
Jun 2023

Yes, it's quite possible to flood an area when draining a pool, but you have to be a bit of a dumb-ass to do it. No one, repeat, no one would ever locate computer servers in a building in proximity to pool pumps in a humid environment saturated with corrosive chlorine fumes.

MayReasonRule

(1,460 posts)
57. Trump et al Will Be Sued And Prosecuted Long Past Their Own Personal Demise
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 09:48 AM
Jun 2023

We used to be at war with fascism.
We still are, but we used to be too.

Fla Dem

(23,347 posts)
43. My question would be where were the tapes stored? On the floor?
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 06:32 PM
Jun 2023

I would love to see a floor plan for Mar-a-Loco. How close was the storage room to the pool? Were other rooms flooded? How quickly was the flooding discovered and stopped. How deep was the water?

Finally, why was there security "TAPES"?. Who still uses tapes. Shouldn't the footage have been on discs or hard drive?



Ford_Prefect

(7,817 posts)
45. it is the "Oops we screwed up" defense. The Dog ate my homework....
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 07:24 PM
Jun 2023

Not bloody likely, mate. Plumbing schematic denies the possibility.

Who ever heard of a storage or utility room used for important goods and electronic service set below flood, or high tide level, in a luxury home or hotel on the beach in a hurricane zone?

That's not happening anywhere but in TFG's putrid imagination.

canetoad

(17,088 posts)
50. If it happened
Tue Jun 6, 2023, 09:29 PM
Jun 2023

The way Trump said it did (and it didn't), there will be clean-up bills, repair bills and various other contractors needing to be paid to restore the damage. All pretty easy to prove.

brewens

(13,393 posts)
53. Normally water damage specialists are brought in to clean up a mess like that. Trumps guys wouldn't
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 08:15 AM
Jun 2023

probably keep what you need to suck up a bunch of water. They would tear out carpets and whatever else was needed to fix everything. It should be pretty easy to find out who if anyone got that job.

edhopper

(33,188 posts)
55. Good point
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 09:00 AM
Jun 2023

resorts usually don't keep such equipment. Especially in Florida where pools are open year round.

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