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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI grew up in FL around hotels and pools
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to empty a pool you turn a value and open the drain at the bottom. Much like a bathtub. There is no way to flood any area or room near the pool.
To do that you must physically put in a hose attached to a pump and drain it while you are operating the pump. There is no way to do this without seeing where the water is going.
I would love to see the layout of the pool area and how they could possibly flood a storage room by accident.
Edit: I am adding this. Apparently the tapes were destroyed while the IT equipment were not damaged. How do you pull that off.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/06/05/trumps-swimming-pool-flooded-surveillance-video-room-at-mar-a-lago-report-says/?sh=4ca57e3c2e79
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)I had a pool. I flooded the back of the property once but never the house. In fact, it would have been impossible to flood the house. Even during a failure, which I had as well. And flooding the back property, I did on purpose.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)Search for Mar a lago
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Both Pools separate from all buildings
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/aerial-view-of-mar-a-lago-the-oceanfront-estate-of-news-photo/97212033
Maraya1969
(22,441 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,071 posts)Ocelot II
(115,270 posts)but I do know that they are drained from the bottom. The only kind of pool that would be drained with a hose is an above-ground kiddie pool, which is not the pool at Mierda-Loco. Very fishy indeed.
Silver Gaia
(4,514 posts)that has an irreparably clogged main drain at the bottom due to mismanagement by previous owners. Everything else works, though! We had to drain it when we bought the house because it was murky green and stocked with mosquito fish. That required an underwater pump and drain hose to the sewer. We tried to clear the clog in that drain with no success before we refilled it. Anyway, I sincerely doubt that Trump's pool has any problems requiring water to be pumped out, so yeah, that sounds WAY fishy to me too!
AZ8theist
(5,338 posts)And I always use a submersible pump with a hose. It draws far less current and is much cheaper than running the pool pump continuously for 2 days.
edhopper
(33,188 posts)in a storage room, just like Trump.
AZ8theist
(5,338 posts)I just couldn't afford letting it get out I'm a New York Giants fan......
LetMyPeopleVote
(143,999 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,225 posts)Warpy
(110,900 posts)and I agree, although there's a pump involved, also, the one that sucks water through that bottom drain and through the filter, the water squirting back out through outlets in the sides, something I loved as a kid, kids being easily entertained by filtration systems.
Most of those pools weren't pumped dry in the winter, they were left with cold, algae filled water. In the spring, the water would be heavily chlorinated, the algae would die and clear, they'd pump what was left through the filte, change the filter, and then top it up to open it for the season.
My dad had a pool in Florida. The only time he pumped the water out was to have it relined and repainted. He always kept it chlorinated and ready for a dunk but said it was too cold January-May. I pointed out that it was the same temperature as the New England ocean I was used to swimming in during mid to late summer and that a 20 minute swim kept me cool all day, even when heat and humidity were sky high. He made a face and ignored me.
My dad did rig a hose up, he was thrifty and used that discarded pool water on the grass and shrubbery, so it's conceivable that some idiot at MaraLardo didn't hook a hose up properly and the room with the servers got an inch or two of water on the floor. I doubt anything was lost that wasn't intentionally "lost," if you get my drift.
This story isn't doing TFG's legal effort any good. Good.
drained the pool. For the same reason you are advised to leave the faucets trickling during a freeze warning,. And in Palm Beach Florida, the average low temps in the winter is around 45 degrees. Makes no sense. Unless they were doing some re-surfacing or major plumbing work it makes no sense to completely drain it to start with. Let alone ONLY flood one room.
Warpy
(110,900 posts)My dad's pool was at least 30 years old when he drained it for relining and repainting. Only a major repair caused that, an empty pool in an area with a high water table wouldn't have stayed firmly in the ground if it had been left that way for long.
He was considerably north of Palm Beach, on Merritt Island, where the roof afforded a great view of launches at the Cape.
I sincerely doubt those servers were anywhere near the floor, torrential rains are common in Florida even in the absence of hurricanes.
So selective gaps in the record are highly suspicious.
BillyBobBrilliant
(805 posts)Before retiring this year. During that time I was involved with the construction of a few swimming pools, spas and related systems.
A pool is drained from the lowest point in the floor of the basin. The output of that process is hard piped to the sanitary sewer system.
The episode described is highly suspect, even more so considering the property and the timing.
Retrograde
(10,068 posts)Loma Prieta back in 1989 sloshed a couple of feet of water out of a friend's pool. But that was an unusual circumstance (and a pretty big quake, which Florida doesn't get). And isn't October past the end of hurricane season?
And why would they drain a pool just before the start of the busy winter season?
Botany
(70,288 posts)The water goes from the pool to a pump, then through filters, then the needed chemicals are
added to the pool water, in newer pools then the water chemistry tested via a computer, and
then the water is returned to the pool. So when that pool was built was a pipe attached to the
pool's drain to run the pool's water to some office in a different building? Or did some worker
put a pump into the pool and run a hose into the office that got flooded.
Spazito
(49,750 posts)the employee who moved the boxes asking how the surveillance system worked, etc. Did the 'flood' happen after that? If so, that would certainly go against any claim of an accident, imo.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-department-of-justice-questions-mar-a-lago-pool-flood-doj-1234764303/
Spazito
(49,750 posts)timing is everything and the timing of the flood relative to the subpoenas for the security footage and the request to preserve footage around the same time is in no way coincidental nor accidental, imo.
Thanks for the info, it was very helpful and informative.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)yardwork
(61,408 posts)I can imagine the pool leaking and flooding things. But I still think Trump Co is lying, as usual.
Native
(5,935 posts)for that you call in professionals. This is so shady.
spanone
(135,632 posts)I was a lifeguard for years and you are correct edhopper
IronLionZion
(45,256 posts)it's pretty blatant.
calimary
(80,693 posts)One for the yeah, SUUUUUURE file.
mgardener
(1,799 posts)I would specifically have to move my discharge hose to an area to flood it.
Curious an important area of security was put so close to a pool.
Tetrachloride
(7,721 posts)MiHale
(9,593 posts)Google Earth screen shot
edhopper
(33,188 posts)were those security tapes stored?
Destroying evidence is another crime he needs to be charged with.
mentalsolstice
(4,454 posts)I was born and raised in Ft. Lauderdale. We had a pool and I dont recall it ever being drained. I can understand draining a pool in the north.
An aside, my aunt from DC came down to visit during the winter holidays. She was bound and determined to get a suntan, sitting by the pool, and getting in it on a floatie. My parents and grandparents all looked out the window, taking bets on how long she would last out there. Although it got pretty cold down there, it was never cold enough to warrant draining the pool.
Ocelot II
(115,270 posts)because otherwise they'll freeze over and crack. So if you're crazy enough to have one here in the first place you'll drain it for the winter. But Florida? Isn't Mierda-Loco open all winter? Unless they had to do some maintenance, why would they drain it at all? And how in the world would the water leak into the building?
mentalsolstice
(4,454 posts)As I said I grew one county (Broward) south of there. And thats where he stayed most weekends while he golfed, at taxpayers expense. As I recall he didnt go there much during the warm months, preferring Bedminster.
Im so glad we now have a president who prefers to go home to Delaware or to Camp David for the weekends. Just a hop, skip and away.
KS Toronado
(16,901 posts)Plus I'd venture to say someone is capable of retrieving the information from those computers.
Shipwack
(2,138 posts)The alphabet agencies have all sorts of data recovery methods...
And since national security issues are involved, I think they will be legally authorized to work their magic.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)Also Google earth search Mar a lago for better aerial view
Vinca
(50,168 posts)Cheezoholic
(1,967 posts)Hekate
(90,189 posts)
and reaching to answer the phone.
Shucky-darn, these things just happen.
jaxexpat
(6,701 posts)markodochartaigh
(1,077 posts)2naSalit
(86,045 posts)markodochartaigh
(1,077 posts)Trump has previously had problems with flooding.
https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/did-mar-a-lago-get-flooded/
edhopper
(33,188 posts)markodochartaigh
(1,077 posts)get a paywall. But here is another:
https://abovethelaw.com/2023/06/donald-trump-flooding-documents/
llmart
(15,499 posts)The writer is being sarcastic about how Trump has used that excuse before to hide evidence.
markodochartaigh
(1,077 posts)that Trump has had this type of accident before.
llmart
(15,499 posts)Unless you put "accident" in quotes. I didn't get that he actually had the accident twice but that he claims he had that happen two times now.
pecosbob
(7,502 posts)Yes, it's quite possible to flood an area when draining a pool, but you have to be a bit of a dumb-ass to do it. No one, repeat, no one would ever locate computer servers in a building in proximity to pool pumps in a humid environment saturated with corrosive chlorine fumes.
edhopper
(33,188 posts)where the security tapes were located?
republianmushroom
(13,050 posts)28 months and counting
edhopper
(33,188 posts)always around the corner.
republianmushroom
(13,050 posts)MayReasonRule
(1,460 posts)We used to be at war with fascism.
We still are, but we used to be too.
Fla Dem
(23,347 posts)I would love to see a floor plan for Mar-a-Loco. How close was the storage room to the pool? Were other rooms flooded? How quickly was the flooding discovered and stopped. How deep was the water?
Finally, why was there security "TAPES"?. Who still uses tapes. Shouldn't the footage have been on discs or hard drive?
edhopper
(33,188 posts)That need answers.
Ford_Prefect
(7,817 posts)Not bloody likely, mate. Plumbing schematic denies the possibility.
Who ever heard of a storage or utility room used for important goods and electronic service set below flood, or high tide level, in a luxury home or hotel on the beach in a hurricane zone?
That's not happening anywhere but in TFG's putrid imagination.
canetoad
(17,088 posts)The way Trump said it did (and it didn't), there will be clean-up bills, repair bills and various other contractors needing to be paid to restore the damage. All pretty easy to prove.
brewens
(13,393 posts)probably keep what you need to suck up a bunch of water. They would tear out carpets and whatever else was needed to fix everything. It should be pretty easy to find out who if anyone got that job.
edhopper
(33,188 posts)resorts usually don't keep such equipment. Especially in Florida where pools are open year round.
RipVanWinkle
(190 posts)Ha!