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Jilly_in_VA

(14,405 posts)
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 02:15 PM Jun 2023

Florida woman charged with fatally shooting her neighbor has a history of harassing area children

A white woman charged with fatally shooting her Black neighbor through a door has a history of harassing area children and using racial slurs against them, neighbors said Wednesday.

Susan Louise Lorincz, 58, was arrested Tuesday on charges of manslaughter with a firearm, culpable negligence, battery and two counts of assault, the Marion County Sheriff's Office said in a statement. Manslaughter with a firearm is a felony punishable by up to 30 years in prison.

The arrest came days after authorities said Lorincz shot Ajike “AJ” Owens, a 35-year-old mother of four, through a closed door in Ocala on Friday night. At least two of Owens' children witnessed the shooting, according to the sheriff’s office, which was criticized by civil rights attorney Ben Crump and the grieving family over the pace of the investigation.

It was not immediately clear whether Lorincz, who is being held in the Marion County Jail, had an attorney who could speak on her behalf.

In interviews with NBC News, neighbors recalled the times they said the suspect recorded their children, taunted them with slurs, called the police and waved guns at them — just for being kids.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/woman-charged-fatally-shooting-neighbor-history-harassing-children-res-rcna88138

Worse than a Karen and should have been locked up years ago.

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Florida woman charged with fatally shooting her neighbor has a history of harassing area children (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Jun 2023 OP
I looked at the street on google maps. houses set on lawns without fences or sidewalks BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #1
Apparently those are apartments. She didn't own any of it. yardwork Jun 2023 #4
Shamed by the news, or that murder would have been a done deal. Fucking Florida. Comfortably_Numb Jun 2023 #2
We need to drop the focus on "Karens" and focus on crimes. yardwork Jun 2023 #3
Thank you! Especially since the term is used to shame and control and silence women obamanut2012 Jun 2023 #5
Yep. yardwork Jun 2023 #10
This nt XanaDUer2 Jun 2023 #36
there are also male versions called kens as well , but i agree in ur statement AllaN01Bear Jun 2023 #11
The males get far less attention. We can't even agree on their name. yardwork Jun 2023 #14
true. agreeed . AllaN01Bear Jun 2023 #33
I agree. We always try to apply labels to people and cubbyhole them. erronis Jun 2023 #15
Thank you! n/t whathehell Jun 2023 #16
Karen's Keepthesoulalive Jun 2023 #20
That is my exact point. yardwork Jun 2023 #23
They are not always life threats Keepthesoulalive Jun 2023 #26
I get that. I sympathize with that. But it's gotten way too sexist. yardwork Jun 2023 #28
Florida again. they just let the Bigots roam free no matter what, then they run for RKP5637 Jun 2023 #6
Klanned Karenhood JohnQFunk Jun 2023 #7
This lady is a danger to the families in this neighborhood LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2023 #8
And apparently her threatening behavior is long-standing. yardwork Jun 2023 #12
Ocala Florida Keepthesoulalive Jun 2023 #21
The community needs to make a lot of noise. A lot of noise. yardwork Jun 2023 #24
Another question would be "why was her access to firearms not revoked?" maxrandb Jun 2023 #30
She looks friendly PortTack Jun 2023 #17
Good. She is a murderer. mcar Jun 2023 #9
Not Land Owner NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #13
We know the moniss Jun 2023 #18
Another MAGA terrorist brought to you by the NRA. Initech Jun 2023 #19
Dunno about being locked up, we don't have laws against being an asshole. Warpy Jun 2023 #22
Her behavior sounds like it probably violated criminal statutes. yardwork Jun 2023 #25
This family needs to sue the entire state of Florida and the United States maxrandb Jun 2023 #31
Maybe she "feared for her life" IronLionZion Jun 2023 #27
My memory of childhood in the 50s and 60s Mr.Bill Jun 2023 #29
We had a nasty neighbor in the apartments next door Jilly_in_VA Jun 2023 #34
I can't read about it beyond the headline. It sucks too bad. twodogsbarking Jun 2023 #32
that is the sure sign of one ugly human being Skittles Jun 2023 #35
Undercharged. maxsolomon Jun 2023 #37

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,300 posts)
1. I looked at the street on google maps. houses set on lawns without fences or sidewalks
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 02:32 PM
Jun 2023

neighbors said she was always claiming an area near her home as her property.. The victims children played on it.

yardwork

(69,373 posts)
4. Apparently those are apartments. She didn't own any of it.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 02:44 PM
Jun 2023

Certainly the vacant lot/field where the kids played was not her property.

yardwork

(69,373 posts)
3. We need to drop the focus on "Karens" and focus on crimes.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 02:42 PM
Jun 2023

The focus on "Karens" is a distraction. It sounds like this community had reason to fear this woman, who was a walking time bomb. Instead of taking the threat seriously, they laughed about their "Karen" until she finally killed somebody.

Let's stop labeling certain women as "Karens" and start taking it more seriously when men and women behave in ways that are obvious threats.

How many males planning mass murders were overlooked while twitter was laughing about some Karen? Think about it.

yardwork

(69,373 posts)
14. The males get far less attention. We can't even agree on their name.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 03:42 PM
Jun 2023

While we're all laughing and pointing fingers at "Karens," actual threats get overlooked. This woman was called a "Karen" by a community she was literally terrorizing. She finally killed somebody. She wasn't a Karen. She's a killer.

I'm just saying that maybe we could drop the snickering and virtue-signaling, and instead focus on criminal behavior, like gun brandishing, property damage, and lethal threats.

Doing so in this case might have prevented a murder.

erronis

(23,931 posts)
15. I agree. We always try to apply labels to people and cubbyhole them.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 03:42 PM
Jun 2023

But I did like the alternative as "Qaren".

Keepthesoulalive

(2,307 posts)
20. Karen's
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:06 PM
Jun 2023

When White Women
stop using the privilege of color to demean others and cause them to be arrested or worse.
Then there will be no need to use the word Karen. She should have been arrested before for harassing those children but her skin color was her shield . Think about people who are on the receiving end of these monsters and whatever words they use to get through their day.

yardwork

(69,373 posts)
23. That is my exact point.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:22 PM
Jun 2023

White people (women AND men) who exhibit threatening behavior toward people of color need to be taken seriously.

Instead, too often, the internet lights up over some white woman who is being rude and making a fool of herself, while ignoring the obvious dangerous, criminal behavior of others.

"Karen" has become a sexist distraction. Let's focus on the people who are making threats.

Keepthesoulalive

(2,307 posts)
26. They are not always life threats
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:30 PM
Jun 2023

Sometimes it’s just why don’t you speak American or you people don’t want to work or the latest Fox News tripe. It is a way to handle the micro aggressions. Allow people to handle their pain however they choose too.

yardwork

(69,373 posts)
28. I get that. I sympathize with that. But it's gotten way too sexist.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:36 PM
Jun 2023

Sexism is also a huge problem. And some of the women demonized as Karens weren't doing anything particularly racist.

Mostly, I'm reacting to the quotes in this article about the kids and their families laughing at this deranged person and calling her a Karen. Reframing her behavior as a Karen may have led to their not taking her as seriously as was needed.

She wasn't a Karen. She was a killer.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
6. Florida again. they just let the Bigots roam free no matter what, then they run for
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 03:08 PM
Jun 2023

political positions and often win. And the fool governor DeSantis wants to make the whole US like Florida. WTF!!!!

yardwork

(69,373 posts)
12. And apparently her threatening behavior is long-standing.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 03:35 PM
Jun 2023

The community needs to ask questions about why her violent, threatening behavior was tolerated for so long.

yardwork

(69,373 posts)
24. The community needs to make a lot of noise. A lot of noise.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:26 PM
Jun 2023

The sheriff's press conference was a disgrace. Making it sound like "both sides" were at fault when this woman had been making racist threats for some time, brandishing a gun at children, damaging property, etc.

maxrandb

(17,435 posts)
30. Another question would be "why was her access to firearms not revoked?"
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:51 PM
Jun 2023

Seems like a history of violence and threats should have resulted in every fucking weapon in her house being confiscated.

Is the definition of "responsible gun owner" simply someone who threatens violence and has a history of harassment, but just hasn't shot anyone yet?

I mean FUCK! If anyone in the world demonstrated this kind of repeated behavior, THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS!

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
13. Not Land Owner
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 03:36 PM
Jun 2023

Her obsession with these kids being nearby on any land shows her real motivation. Given her calling them racist names shows she's racist. This is murder, nothing less.

moniss

(9,067 posts)
18. We know the
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 03:52 PM
Jun 2023

"I was frightened, felt threatened and was standing my ground" defense is coming. There will undoubtedly be right wing hacks raising money for her and/or providing legal services. DeSenseless will likely announce an intent to pardon her just so Greg Abbott doesn't get all the glory for trying to defend a murderer.

Warpy

(114,616 posts)
22. Dunno about being locked up, we don't have laws against being an asshole.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:16 PM
Jun 2023

However, anyone who points a gun at children, especially those under 10, needs to have those guns taken away and lose the right to buy more of them.

This old gal should have lost her right to keep and bear arms a long time ago. Sane laws would have done that.

yardwork

(69,373 posts)
25. Her behavior sounds like it probably violated criminal statutes.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:28 PM
Jun 2023

Threatening children with a gun. Throwing things at children. Property damage. Communicating threats.

Noise ordinances? I don't know. This got ignored by authorities and as a result somebody was murdered.

maxrandb

(17,435 posts)
31. This family needs to sue the entire state of Florida and the United States
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:53 PM
Jun 2023

This person should NOT have had access to firearms.

IronLionZion

(51,299 posts)
27. Maybe she "feared for her life"
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:36 PM
Jun 2023

through the door, at an unarmed mom and kid.

It took long enough to arrest this murderer. Yet no murder charge because stand your ground legalizes murder.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
29. My memory of childhood in the 50s and 60s
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:41 PM
Jun 2023

is that every neighborhood had at least one old grouch who hated kids. The difference was they never shot anybody over it.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,405 posts)
34. We had a nasty neighbor in the apartments next door
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 06:18 PM
Jun 2023

He lived on the second floor. If the kids would play anywhere between the buildings, even running between them on their way to the backyards, he would yell nasty things at them, no matter what time of day it was. We didn't have kids at the time, but even so I got mad and told him to shut up one day. The time he poured bleach on one of them from his window was the last straw. I got furious and called the cops, who didn't do much but talk to him, and the landlord. I don't know what the landlord said to him, but he moved out the next month.

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