If there is a plea deal, what is the minimum the DOJ would accept for such a deal?

[JohnSJ]

[gab13by13]

1. Fuck that.

I've been hard enough on Garland.

[JohnSJ]

2. You don't think trump's attorney are going to try for that?

[brooklynite]

3. Another thread of meaningless speculation...

If there's an arraignment, the window for a plea deal has pretty much passed.

[Ocelot II]

6. He can plead at any time, even after the trial starts.

But the window for a favorable plea gets smaller and smaller as the case progresses.

[JohnSJ]

8. Are you saying that it is too late for his attorney's to try for a plea deal to avoid jail time?

[JohnSJ]

15. "meaningless speculation". Are you trying to insult those on a discussion forum for speculating?

[brooklynite]

20. Insult? No. Critique? Yes.

If someone has data or evidence to inform an opinion, great. Otherwise, what's the point?

[JohnSJ]

21. So only those who have data or evidence, should present an opinion. Incidentally, your assertion

that a plea deal is too late is not correct

[Carlitos Brigante]

27. I'm sure they'll admit their mistake any minute now...... nt

[JohnSJ]

28. Ego is a funny thing

[BannonsLiver]

18. What are the approved topics tonight, Chris?

🤷‍♂️

[Ocelot II]

4. What do you think it should be?

The federal sentencing guidelines are a good place to start, but since we don't know the charges yet (and the 1/6 case hasn't even been charged yet), it's impossible to consider at this point. I don't think TFG would take a plea anyhow - even an Alford plea would be more than he could stomach.

[JohnSJ]

17. I would think something to avoid jail time? That there are other potential indictments against him,

it seems to complicate the issue

[Kennah]

5. Deportation

[LiberalFighter]

9. Wife and kids too?

[Kennah]

11. Yes, to the middle of the Pacific Ocean in a rubber raft

[ProudMNDemocrat]

7. Depending on the seriousness of the charges and the years for each charge...

If it amounts to 20 years plus, no less than 15 years with no appeals, plus fines, loss of Presidential pension and Secret Service protection, and payment for back taxes if owed. That is my wish list.

That will make the orange motherfucker 91.

[LiberalFighter]

10. Terminate his Presidential title too. Leave 45 out of the list.

[Kennah]

12. Second

[ProudMNDemocrat]

14. No Presidential portrait either at the WH.

That goes for his trophy wife as well.

[LiberalFighter]

16. I go for that too.

[Johnny2X2X]

13. 5 years in the Federal Pen

After that he’ll be a husk.

[marble falls]

19. Prison either way. It's not as if ten years is such a bargain from twenty if you're TFG aged.

[Mr.Bill]

22. Plea deals are what you use to get the top guy.

Once you've got the top guy, no deals needed.

The ones who are screwed now are the ones who didn't flip.

[JohnSJ]

24. I think they are also used if the prosecution doesn't want to take a chance with a unanimous jury

verdict, or to avoid a long expensive trial

[Mr.Bill]

25. That certainly happens,

but I think Jack Smith has his ducks in a row. The conviction rate in these sort of cases by the DOJ is above 99%. I also think Trump thinks he will get out of this some way (why shouldn't he, he always does) and would not entertain any plea deal.

[JohnSJ]

26. Reasonable thoughts

[onenote]

33. I doubt it would happen, but pleading down to a violation of 18 USC 1924

might be something Trump's lawyers might put forward. It's only a misdemeanor and when Sandy Berger was accused of taking classified materials from the archives, he plead guilty to a violation of Section 1924 and got off with a $50,000 fine and two years probation.

Here is what 18 USC 1924 says:

a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

23. The Rosenbergs Were Executed For Espionage

Doesn't the Obstruction charge carry some mandatory jail time? I wouldn't accept ANY deal that didn't include some jail time. You make deals to prevent the possibility of losing the case at trial. These charges are as close to a slam-dunk as any prosecutor anywhere has ever had. The Trump team doesn't have much bargaining power. But you know, Trump is a "master negotiator." Just ask him.

[onenote]

30. The part of the espionage act used against the rosenbergs is not in play here

According to reports, the indictment charges Trump with violating Section 793 by unlawfully retaining documents. The maximum penalty for violating that section is 10 years in prison.

And the obstruction charge does not carry a mandatory prison sentence. Rather, under the various obstruction provisions, the penalty can be a fine, OR, prison time (the maximum varies depending on the specific provision), OR both.

[roamer65]

29. No deals!

Convict and send him to Robert Hanssen’s vacant cell in Supermax.

[JohnSJ]

31. If they had hard evidence that classified information was shared with someone like Putin

anything is possible

[onenote]

32. If they had such evidence, we'd be hearing about a different level of charges.

[JohnSJ]

36. I don't think we know what the charges are right now? Have the sealed indictments been opened to

the public?

[onenote]

37. No. But there's been a fair amount of reporting

including comments from Trump's lawyer who had the charges described to him by DOJ.

[NowISeetheLight]

34. Plea Bargain

Plea Bargain for misdemeanors or some kind then still run claiming he was found "not guilty" of felonies.

[honest.abe]

35. 30 years

Make sure he dies in prison.