A friend opined this morning that, "If TFG is elected POTUS in 2024..."

[WheelWalker]

Oh, FFS!

It is more likely that the US has an object of non-human origin than that TFG is elected POTUS in 2024. In my opinion.

[roamer65]

1. ...and so will be born the blue state secession movement.

We will NOT be governed by an outright TRAITOR, FASCIST and FELON.

[Pantagruel]

2. Most of the 74,223,369 Trump voters

from 2020 are still out there and threatening our democracy and our freedoms.

[Arkansas Granny]

6. And most of those voters will vote for him in 2024 if he's the Republican candidate.

[LiberalFighter]

15. Sure most of them. But there will be fewer.

Those stupid enough not to get their Covid vaccine have a high probability of being dead or severe illness incapacitating them and not being able to vote. That doesn't include the 8 million that die every 4 years. Of which about 60% would have voted for him.

Then there are the ones convicted and sent to prison for the Jan 6 insurrection. Even if they are released before 2024 election in some states a felony prohibits them from voting.

And there are independents that are not as likely to vote for a criminal. Either they vote the other way or not all.

[WheelWalker]

9. While that might be true and probably is, support for MAGA among

independents, unaffiliated voters and Democrats disillusioned with Hillary's candidacy has been eroding in the elections since 2016, especially post-2020 election and J6. Do you agree? I have no doubt he could achieve the nomination or run as a spoiler, I don't give him a prayer in a general election.

[MiHale]

3. Oh, oh...

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/


A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.

The information, he says, has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures, reported here for the first time.

[MiniMe]

4. I said that in 2016 and look what happened

Never say never

[ProfessorGAC]

17. Is This Comparable To 2016?

I don't think so.
In '16, TFG was an unknown. The antu-Hillary propaganda influenced some people, some people thought it was a good idea to elect a "successful businessman" (LOL), some wanted an outsider.
Now, it's easier to establish he was not successful, HRC is not part of equation, and the "swamp drainer" showed himself to be an alligator farmer.
In '20, the historically large turnout was a clear indicator of a sentiment for "anybody but him". I don't think that sentiment has faded.
Now, we have a 2 time loser, who did not have a successful term, who botched the COVID response, and has now been TWICE inducted.
A lot of middle America is tired of the whole movement, and being a criminal is unlikely to change that.

[MiniMe]

19. Mr Grab em by the *$&U?

I still think he could easily be elected again. The Republican stupidity is astounding!

[ProfessorGAC]

21. Completely Missed The Point

Presidents don't get elected by Rs or Ds.
The difference is the middle.
You obviously didn't read what I wrote because your reply was a comparison of 2016 to 2016.
It's not 2016 anymore.

[maxsolomon]

5. It's not impossible.

But the combination of Biden's no-drama competence and the chaos-fatigue even Repukes have to be feeling about * at this point would more likely mean a landslide.

For Biden.

[WheelWalker]

7. Neither is impossible. Both unlikely. IMO, one less likely than the other.

[Polybius]

8. We do have that object though

[WheelWalker]

10. While I believe we might have that object, many consider that possibility absurd (not I);

I do, however, consider TFG's election more unlikely if not patently absurd.

[tman]

11. Imagine thinking trump is not a threat in 2024.

lol

[WheelWalker]

13. That would be me. No apologies.

[GenXer47]

12. he could still become POTUS 2 non-democratic ways

1) he's appointed Speaker of the House and the House simply refuses to certify the vote. Clock runs out and he's Acting President
2) rogue states refuse to send legitimate electors, chaos ensues - the House votes for President and it's one state, one vote - red states win.

[WheelWalker]

14. Well, there you go. I'll grant that those paths would alter my calculus.

However, I'm leaning strongly to the existence of objects of non-human origin, lol.

[Chainfire]

16. I do not believe that everyone who voted for Trump last time will do so next time.

Those who are closer to the center than the far left may have had enough Trump drama for one lifetime. It is unlikely that former Biden voters would swap to Trump in the next election. In fact, many Biden voters were not so much for Biden as against Trump and those folks will not be swapping. I don't think that Trump is a real danger to a second Biden term, but some other Republican may be. I do not think that that would be either DeSantis or Pence.

Trump will be carrying the stench of indictment that will impress some people. Of course, we know that his cult will not be put off by the smell of rot and corruption, but I just don't believe that there are enough of them to send him back to Washington.

Trump sits on the horns of a dilemma today. Does he push for a speedy trial in Miami with the hopes of acquittal, which would help his candidacy a great deal, or does he try to drag out the process until after the election? Personally, I am not at all confident of a Miami jury to convict Trump, regardless of the evidence. He may see it the same way. Having lived in Miami, it is my personal opinion that you could not randomly pick a jury without having at least one Trump thumper on the panel.

[ProfessorGAC]

18. See My Post, #17

We are very much on the same page.

[sarisataka]

20. DU 2015-

"A ham sandwich could beat Trump in 2016'

DU 2023-
"It is more likely that the US has an object of non-human origin than that TFG is elected POTUS in 2024"

Let's hope history neither repeats nor rhymes.

[Bayard]

22. I don't think mainstream rethuglicans

Are going to vote for a twice impeached, twice indicted person for president. And there will be more indictments in the next several months. I see only his hardcore worshipers falling for his bullshit this time.