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Easy Prediction - Trump will not testify (Original Post) ThoughtCriminal Jun 2023 OP
He'd love to bloviate and rant, but Lawyers would never put him on the stand. emulatorloo Jun 2023 #1
His lawyers - if he has any left - would wrap him in duct tape if they had to Ocelot II Jun 2023 #2
Will Pence testify ? Beachnutt Jun 2023 #3
If they need him they'll subpoena him. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #5
What if he pleads the Fifth? Kennah Jun 2023 #12
Pence has very little legal exposure; he has no reason to do it. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #14
Prevent MAGAts from killing him? Kennah Jun 2023 #16
In that event ... VMA131Marine Jun 2023 #18
Won't that require an admission of wrongdoing? Kennah Jun 2023 #27
No, not at all. VMA131Marine Jun 2023 #28
Prosecutor will definitely need to get a note from Mother Kennah Jun 2023 #29
Why would he...and why would he be called? brooklynite Jun 2023 #20
I think they are referring to the 1/6 case, since Pence had nothing to do Ocelot II Jun 2023 #26
After Tuesday, will he even have to show up? Don't recall the precise charges in Alex Jones's case, allegorical oracle Jun 2023 #4
Alex Jones' trial was a civil trial. You don't have to attend a civil trial Ocelot II Jun 2023 #7
Thanks -- couldn't recall whether it was civil or not. Well, Alex wasn't civil.... nt allegorical oracle Jun 2023 #13
I'm curious what his defense could be. C_U_L8R Jun 2023 #6
I'm guessing they will bring in some RW legal "Experts" ThoughtCriminal Jun 2023 #10
"I didn't do it." This is South Florida and he will be found innocent. I would bet money on it. patricia92243 Jun 2023 #15
During testimony, Trumpy will be the essence of grace. In fact, he will sing Amazing Grace, bring Tetrachloride Jun 2023 #8
I think he will take a plea deal. Something that lets him avoid jail time tulipsandroses Jun 2023 #9
That would require an allocution before the court in which he admits Ocelot II Jun 2023 #11
As things progress and he realizes, there's no way out, I think he will tulipsandroses Jun 2023 #17
I don't think DOJ will let him plea VMA131Marine Jun 2023 #21
It would be interesting to ask for clarification on some of the statements made to the media Shermann Jun 2023 #19
WHEN has he ever listened to his lawyer Skittles Jun 2023 #22
His lawyers won't want him to, but I'd love to see Jack Smith Col Jessup his ass... Wounded Bear Jun 2023 #23
Sketches NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #24
Uh, his whole m.o. is legal suicide UTUSN Jun 2023 #25

Ocelot II

(131,193 posts)
2. His lawyers - if he has any left - would wrap him in duct tape if they had to
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 07:04 PM
Jun 2023

in order to keep him from testifying.

Ocelot II

(131,193 posts)
14. Pence has very little legal exposure; he has no reason to do it.
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 07:28 PM
Jun 2023

And if he did, it would be extremely detrimental to his presidential run (not that that's going anywhere).

VMA131Marine

(5,332 posts)
18. In that event ...
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 08:47 PM
Jun 2023

I’m sure Pence would be granted limited immunity in order to get his testimony. You can’t invoke the 5A if you have a grant of immunity.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
20. Why would he...and why would he be called?
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 08:51 PM
Jun 2023

He had no involvement in the documents situation.

Ocelot II

(131,193 posts)
26. I think they are referring to the 1/6 case, since Pence had nothing to do
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 09:36 PM
Jun 2023

with the documents case. He could be a witness in a 1/6 trial but he has little or no legal exposure in that matter either.

allegorical oracle

(6,569 posts)
4. After Tuesday, will he even have to show up? Don't recall the precise charges in Alex Jones's case,
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 07:06 PM
Jun 2023

but he was absent most of the time.

Ocelot II

(131,193 posts)
7. Alex Jones' trial was a civil trial. You don't have to attend a civil trial
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 07:10 PM
Jun 2023

(although not showing up is usually a bad idea). TFG didn't attend the E. Jean Carroll trial. But a criminal trial is a different thing. In federal court you have to make an initial appearance, and then under some circumstances you can waive your attendance.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_43

Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure Rule 43. Defendant's Presence

(a) When Required. Unless this rule, Rule 5, or Rule 10 provides otherwise, the defendant must be present at:

(1) the initial appearance, the initial arraignment, and the plea;

(2) every trial stage, including jury impanelment and the return of the verdict; and

(3) sentencing.

(b) When Not Required. A defendant need not be present under any of the following circumstances:

(1) Organizational Defendant. The defendant is an organization represented by counsel who is present.

(2) Misdemeanor Offense. The offense is punishable by fine or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, and with the defendant's written consent, the court permits arraignment, plea, trial, and sentencing to occur by video teleconferencing or in the defendant's absence.

(3) Conference or Hearing on a Legal Question. The proceeding involves only a conference or hearing on a question of law.

(4) Sentence Correction. The proceeding involves the correction or reduction of sentence under Rule 35 or 18 U.S.C. §3582 (c).

(c) Waiving Continued Presence.

(1) In General. A defendant who was initially present at trial, or who had pleaded guilty or nolo contendere, waives the right to be present under the following circumstances:

(A) when the defendant is voluntarily absent after the trial has begun, regardless of whether the court informed the defendant of an obligation to remain during trial;

(B) in a noncapital case, when the defendant is voluntarily absent during sentencing; or

(C) when the court warns the defendant that it will remove the defendant from the courtroom for disruptive behavior, but the defendant persists in conduct that justifies removal from the courtroom.

(2) Waiver's Effect. If the defendant waives the right to be present, the trial may proceed to completion, including the verdict's return and sentencing, during the defendant's absence.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,754 posts)
10. I'm guessing they will bring in some RW legal "Experts"
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 07:19 PM
Jun 2023

who will Yargle Bargle. Tons of evidence and witness challenges and appeals to delay as much as possible into the election season so that the political implications become the primary discussion rather then the facts in the case.

The whole, it's hoax that I had any of the documents, which I had the right to have, and mentally declassified, and may have been planted by a witch-hunt by deep-state FBI liberals, is not likely to be an effective strategy.

At this stage, he probably thinks armed revolt by the gravy-seal brigades is his best bet. Or at a minimum, not very clever attempts at witness and jury intimidation.

patricia92243

(12,981 posts)
15. "I didn't do it." This is South Florida and he will be found innocent. I would bet money on it.
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 07:29 PM
Jun 2023

Tetrachloride

(9,698 posts)
8. During testimony, Trumpy will be the essence of grace. In fact, he will sing Amazing Grace, bring
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 07:14 PM
Jun 2023

cheese and crackers, shed a tear for dead wife Ivana.

or

his lawyers will give him tranquilizers. MTG will give massages. Melania will sit in the back row.

tulipsandroses

(8,297 posts)
9. I think he will take a plea deal. Something that lets him avoid jail time
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 07:16 PM
Jun 2023

House arrest and heavy fines.

Ocelot II

(131,193 posts)
11. That would require an allocution before the court in which he admits
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 07:24 PM
Jun 2023

to every element of the crimes charged. I don't see him doing that. Even an Alford plea (where the defendant maintains his innocence but acknowledges that the facts are sufficient that a jury could find him guilty) would be too much for him to stomach.

tulipsandroses

(8,297 posts)
17. As things progress and he realizes, there's no way out, I think he will
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 07:41 PM
Jun 2023

Then eventually have zoom rally and tell his cult members he was railroaded, his lawyers told him to plea, the FBI set him up and whatever nonsense he comes up with. They will believe whatever he says.

VMA131Marine

(5,332 posts)
21. I don't think DOJ will let him plea
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 08:52 PM
Jun 2023

to lesser charges once the trial has started. But, Trump would be smart to make a plea deal before then … which is why he won’t.

Shermann

(9,072 posts)
19. It would be interesting to ask for clarification on some of the statements made to the media
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 08:47 PM
Jun 2023

Tell us more about this standing order to declassify information.

*chirp chirp*

He'd have to take the Sarah Sanders route and say it wasn't based on anything.

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
24. Sketches
Fri Jun 9, 2023, 09:00 PM
Jun 2023

Assuming they won't televise is, I can't wait to see the courtroom sketches of Trump moping.

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