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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFor those of you worried about Judge Cannon
being potentially assigned to the case ( we are not sure yet if she is just doing the arraignment or also will be the trial judge)I would remind you that despite all the bullshit she tried to pull last time, the case was not harmed.
In fact everything got reversed on appeal by the conservative 11 circuit with a strong rebuke.
The case Jack Smith has put together is so strong Cannon does not have much or any wiggle room to pull nonsensical rulings. If she does, it will be appealed and shot down.
Ultimately Smith could also put forward a motion to have her removed and it likely would work.
All the experts that have opined on this say that ultimately no matter the judge , Trump won't escape his fate.
Same is true for the jury. Trump was indicted by Florida grand jury. He will be convicted by one as well.
Sneederbunk
(17,492 posts)Must not have trial before 24 Election.
gab13by13
(32,321 posts)With Cannon as judge there is no chance the trial happens before the election, even though this district is called the "rocket docket."
I read where the magistrate judge is doing the arraignment.
Who supplied you with this information? Just wondering. All the people who said Trump would never be charged have shifted to saying he will not have a trial before November of 24 of he has one at all.
Kingofalldems
(40,278 posts)Postal Grunt
(255 posts)The DOJ has a track record in this investigation. They were prepared last year for fighting Judge Cannon's rulings, always looking like they were one step ahead of her. Special Counsel Jack Smith looks to be all that and more at this time. There's a lot more that Mr Smith knows that we don't. It's a good time to keep our powder dry because the best is yet to come..
allegorical oracle
(6,480 posts)paleotn
(22,218 posts)A DC grand jury is working on where some of the documents disappeared to. Some have surmised that the current indictment, while very serious, also serves the purpose of potentially flipping Walt Nauta, Trump's "box wrangler." Something tells me Smith isn't quite done indicting Donnie just yet, despite what a federal district judge in South Florida does with this early batch of 37 felony counts.
lees1975
(7,046 posts)The only question about the arraignment is whether she will go easy on him with regard to gag orders and those kind of instructions and if she does, she'll be immediately overruled.
As far as the jury being in South Florida, well, so was this grand jury. My guess is that Smith's team are experts at stopping magats from getting on the jury. They can smell them a mile away.
CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)Land Doesn't Vote
CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)She'll try to drag this out until he's the republican nominee. Then who knows what shit he'll throw into the courts.
calguy
(6,154 posts)When I see how meticulously he conducted the investigation and presented the indictment, it would be naive to think he didn't anticipate drawing Judge Cannon. It would also be naive not to assume he already has plans in place to deal with any road blocks she might attempt to throw in his way.
gab13by13
(32,321 posts)If she is assigned permanently, and I see no proof that she is, DOJ should request that she recuse herself and send the request to the Appeals court.
calguy
(6,154 posts)In the meantime, we'll all be speculating, as we always do. In the worst case scenario, I see Jack Smith running circles around her incompetence.
claudette
(5,455 posts)I think the same as some others that Jack Smith has most likely prepared his strategy had this disgusting woman been randomly picked as judge.
AnotherMother4Peace
(5,125 posts)To quote Jack Nicholson in The Shining.
onenote
(46,142 posts)There is no requirement that she must step aside. While the 11th Circuit ripped apart her decision in the special master case on the legal merits, it did not find or even suggest she acted out of bias. If it had, it could and would have sent the case back to a different judge on remand instead of remanding it to her. On remand, she followed the decision of the 11th Circuit. And when an ethics complaint alleging bias was filed with the 11th Circuit, it was summarily rejected on the grounds that a bad decision is not an ethics violation:
"The Complaint fails to present a basis for a finding of misconduct. To the extent Complainants allegations concern the substance of the Subject Judges official actions, rulings, findings, and orders in the above-described case, the allegations are directly related to the merits of the Subject Judges decisions or procedural rulings. Judicial Conduct Rule 11(c)(1)(B). Complainants remaining claims are based on allegations lacking sufficient evidence to raise an inference that the Subject Judge acted with an illicit or improper motive, was biased, used her office to obtain special treatment for the plaintiff, violated her oath of office, colluded with others, or otherwise engaged in misconduct. Judicial Conduct Rule 11(c)(1)(D). For these reasons, this Complaint is DISMISSED."
Whether he could or would seek to have the case heard in the West Palm division by a judge assigned to that decision is a separate question.
Ligyron
(8,006 posts)The Federal Courthouse is right across the bridge and no more than a couple miles from Mar a Lago.
How it got kicked way up to a Ft Pierce judge 50 miles away is rather curious and why it goes to Miami now, perhaps 110 miles from Ft Pierce and this judge's territory is Jack's doing I think.
The grand jury itself is out of West Palm sent down some 60 odd miles to hear this and maybe Jack was trying to get as far away from Ft Pierce and judge Cannon as realistically allowed.
A big deal is made about since she was the original judge assigned to this case she she therefore continue to sit on the bench.
But here's the thing...She was wrongly assigned to this case in the first place and was ruled as such by the 11th so idk how she is allowed to continue to sit on this case and does anybody really believe this was random?
Botany
(77,323 posts)
"The case Jack Smith has put together is so strong Cannon does not have much or any wiggle room
to pull nonsensical rulings. If she does, it will be appealed and shot down."
Mine, too!

BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Last week, Florida was a Nazi province.
Difficult to keep up sometimes...
Tommy Carcetti
(44,498 posts)Sugarcoated
(8,240 posts)But okay
Ligyron
(8,006 posts)If that helps any.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)But I trust the good citizens of Florida to do their duty.
whopis01
(3,919 posts)Not far off the National average. About 53-46 in the last election.
Traildogbob
(13,018 posts)I am gonna stop reading any more opinions today and enjoy a beautiful weekend and step back and bask in the indictment we have all waited so long for. I appreciate the encouragement and probably need more in the future, but for today, cheers to all, gonna sit on my deck with my dogs and guitar, a few hand crafted brews, beautiful blessed Mountain View and be happy for a while. Weve all earned it. And I am sure Much happier than that pig is right now. The way it should be.
ancianita
(43,307 posts)disqualification by the 11th Circuit's Chief Justice William Pryor. If Cannon refuses Smith's motion, Smith can appeal the motion to the 11th Circuit. No way Smith is going to let her preside or not recuse.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)"All the experts" I've heard are not unanimous in saying, as you do, that no matter the judge dump will not walk. Weismann for one is concerned about the judge. He said there are options to follow if she is the judge but nobody knows now for sure what will happen going forward. I don't and neither do you.
I don't know if she will be a problem or not but a strong case and our wishes don't guarantee the outcome. I want to see what happens in the future before thinking it's a slam dunk.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Maybe he'll move to russia; they've offered.
radius777
(3,921 posts)knowing that she's being looked at, having been rebuked in the past.
Chalco
(1,439 posts)the area of South Florida where the trial will be held is predominantly Democratic.
Dade County, Broward County and Palm Beach County are heavily populated and mostly Democratic.
Cha
(319,076 posts)calimary
(90,021 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)me feel better about it.
When I first saw the "Cannon" name attached to this I had a mini panic attack.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)Tanks!
Cha
(319,076 posts)was a good source, too.
RT Atlanta
(2,741 posts)If the jury convicts.
"Even with a 'trump' appointed judge, and even in FL, trusting and following the procedure and with overwhelming evidence of guilt, we were able to prosecute and obtain a conviction on all counts."
TheRickles
(3,386 posts)onenote
(46,142 posts)TheRickles
(3,386 posts)mwooldri
(10,818 posts)... Rocket Docket court. One known for speedy resolutions.
I don't think Judge Loose Cannon can mess around too much with this case.
prodigitalson
(3,193 posts)he could get steve bannon as his judge and not weasel out of this. and yeah, the 11th circuit, rw as they are, have her number and won't brook any of her bullshit.
in fact i bet the DoJ can get the 11th to take her off the case. they have already called her biased for the now defendant.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)This is a criminal trial. She could outright dismiss the charges. She could rule that certain key evidence isn't allowed. And even if he's convicted, she could give him probation.
Pretending like she can't do massive damage is 100% wrong. She can completely destroy this entire case and allow Trump to walk free.
drray23
(8,759 posts)and you can be sure it would be appealed. There is no ground for that case to be dismissed.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)Response to drray23 (Original post)
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Justice matters.
(9,787 posts)Jack Smith should reconvene the GJ to vote to add witness tampering indictments (after his peach the other night and social posts...).
