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drray23

(8,759 posts)
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:28 PM Jun 2023

For those of you worried about Judge Cannon

being potentially assigned to the case ( we are not sure yet if she is just doing the arraignment or also will be the trial judge)I would remind you that despite all the bullshit she tried to pull last time, the case was not harmed.

In fact everything got reversed on appeal by the conservative 11 circuit with a strong rebuke.

The case Jack Smith has put together is so strong Cannon does not have much or any wiggle room to pull nonsensical rulings. If she does, it will be appealed and shot down.

Ultimately Smith could also put forward a motion to have her removed and it likely would work.

All the experts that have opined on this say that ultimately no matter the judge , Trump won't escape his fate.

Same is true for the jury. Trump was indicted by Florida grand jury. He will be convicted by one as well.

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For those of you worried about Judge Cannon (Original Post) drray23 Jun 2023 OP
Delay is the defense game. Sneederbunk Jun 2023 #1
Exactly, Trump's strategy from day 1 has been to delay. gab13by13 Jun 2023 #5
Really? bpj62 Jun 2023 #20
Great question. Kingofalldems Jun 2023 #22
The DOJ is on its game Postal Grunt Jun 2023 #12
Yep. Can only hope Smith's already factored that into his strategy. Figure he has. nt allegorical oracle Jun 2023 #14
This isn't going to be the only indictment for classified-gate. paleotn Jun 2023 #28
Yeah, I think you nailed it here. lees1975 Jun 2023 #2
There's a lot of blue in Florida! CrispyQ Jun 2023 #6
Delay, delay, delay. I think that's the plan. CrispyQ Jun 2023 #3
That's my feeling as well calguy Jun 2023 #4
Having judge Cannon preside over this case would be a travesty. gab13by13 Jun 2023 #7
We'll have to see how things play out calguy Jun 2023 #9
In addition claudette Jun 2023 #8
Thank you. It's important that her past conduct & consequences be highlighted as she's "baaaack". AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2023 #10
Smith won't move to have her removed for bias because it would be denied. onenote Jun 2023 #11
West Palm is where it should have been heard in the first place. Ligyron Jun 2023 #35
From your lips to my dog's ears. Botany Jun 2023 #13
Aww! Diamond_Dog Jun 2023 #16
It's certainly good to see this confidence in Florida justice suddenly. BlackSkimmer Jun 2023 #15
OFFS. nt Tommy Carcetti Jun 2023 #17
Broad brushing Sugarcoated Jun 2023 #27
The east coast of South Florida where this will take place is heavily Democratic. Ligyron Jun 2023 #37
Miami-Dade has a huge republican presence. BlackSkimmer Jun 2023 #38
That area leans more Democratic than Republican whopis01 Jun 2023 #45
Thank you Traildogbob Jun 2023 #18
Again, If she doesn't recuse herself by Tuesday, Smith's motion on Tuesday should result in her ancianita Jun 2023 #19
None of these claims are backed up and one is not true Doc Sportello Jun 2023 #21
My opinion has been; if convicted, he'll end up with probation. oldsoftie Jun 2023 #29
Hopefully she'll be on the straight and narrow, radius777 Jun 2023 #23
Just so you know... Chalco Jun 2023 #24
"1/Before everyone gets too spun up about reports Judge Cannon" Cha Jun 2023 #25
Thanks for these, Cha! calimary Jun 2023 #34
You're Welcome, calimary.. It made Cha Jun 2023 #39
Important info from a good source. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2023 #40
you're Welcome.. I thought it Cha Jun 2023 #41
Or, this may be the ultimate affirmation of guilt RT Atlanta Jun 2023 #26
Does a Grand Jury have to make a unanimous recommendation? Could 1 MAGAt have nixed the indictment? TheRickles Jun 2023 #30
No. Grand Juries have as many as 23 members. Only 12 votes needed to indict. onenote Jun 2023 #31
Thanks. TheRickles Jun 2023 #36
My understanding is that Cannons Court is a... mwooldri Jun 2023 #32
i was worried about it until I saw the indictment prodigitalson Jun 2023 #33
The other case and this case are totally different. Marius25 Jun 2023 #42
case dismissal can be appealed. drray23 Jun 2023 #43
Well, it looks like she's going to be the judge on the case Marius25 Jun 2023 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Justice matters. Jun 2023 #46
She could eff-up the sentencing after a Guilty verdict. Justice matters. Jun 2023 #47

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
5. Exactly, Trump's strategy from day 1 has been to delay.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:34 PM
Jun 2023

With Cannon as judge there is no chance the trial happens before the election, even though this district is called the "rocket docket."

I read where the magistrate judge is doing the arraignment.

bpj62

(1,067 posts)
20. Really?
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 03:29 PM
Jun 2023

Who supplied you with this information? Just wondering. All the people who said Trump would never be charged have shifted to saying he will not have a trial before November of 24 of he has one at all.

Postal Grunt

(255 posts)
12. The DOJ is on its game
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:58 PM
Jun 2023

The DOJ has a track record in this investigation. They were prepared last year for fighting Judge Cannon's rulings, always looking like they were one step ahead of her. Special Counsel Jack Smith looks to be all that and more at this time. There's a lot more that Mr Smith knows that we don't. It's a good time to keep our powder dry because the best is yet to come..

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
28. This isn't going to be the only indictment for classified-gate.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 04:09 PM
Jun 2023

A DC grand jury is working on where some of the documents disappeared to. Some have surmised that the current indictment, while very serious, also serves the purpose of potentially flipping Walt Nauta, Trump's "box wrangler." Something tells me Smith isn't quite done indicting Donnie just yet, despite what a federal district judge in South Florida does with this early batch of 37 felony counts.

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
2. Yeah, I think you nailed it here.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:31 PM
Jun 2023

The only question about the arraignment is whether she will go easy on him with regard to gag orders and those kind of instructions and if she does, she'll be immediately overruled.

As far as the jury being in South Florida, well, so was this grand jury. My guess is that Smith's team are experts at stopping magats from getting on the jury. They can smell them a mile away.

CrispyQ

(40,969 posts)
3. Delay, delay, delay. I think that's the plan.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:33 PM
Jun 2023

She'll try to drag this out until he's the republican nominee. Then who knows what shit he'll throw into the courts.

calguy

(6,154 posts)
4. That's my feeling as well
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:33 PM
Jun 2023

When I see how meticulously he conducted the investigation and presented the indictment, it would be naive to think he didn't anticipate drawing Judge Cannon. It would also be naive not to assume he already has plans in place to deal with any road blocks she might attempt to throw in his way.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
7. Having judge Cannon preside over this case would be a travesty.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:36 PM
Jun 2023

If she is assigned permanently, and I see no proof that she is, DOJ should request that she recuse herself and send the request to the Appeals court.

calguy

(6,154 posts)
9. We'll have to see how things play out
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:47 PM
Jun 2023

In the meantime, we'll all be speculating, as we always do. In the worst case scenario, I see Jack Smith running circles around her incompetence.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
8. In addition
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:42 PM
Jun 2023

I think the same as some others that Jack Smith has most likely prepared his strategy had this disgusting woman been randomly picked as judge.

AnotherMother4Peace

(5,125 posts)
10. Thank you. It's important that her past conduct & consequences be highlighted as she's "baaaack".
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:57 PM
Jun 2023

To quote Jack Nicholson in The Shining.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
11. Smith won't move to have her removed for bias because it would be denied.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 01:58 PM
Jun 2023

There is no requirement that she must step aside. While the 11th Circuit ripped apart her decision in the special master case on the legal merits, it did not find or even suggest she acted out of bias. If it had, it could and would have sent the case back to a different judge on remand instead of remanding it to her. On remand, she followed the decision of the 11th Circuit. And when an ethics complaint alleging bias was filed with the 11th Circuit, it was summarily rejected on the grounds that a bad decision is not an ethics violation:

"The Complaint fails to present a basis for a finding of misconduct. To the extent Complainant’s allegations concern the substance of the Subject Judge’s official actions, rulings, findings, and orders in the above-described case, the allegations are directly related to the merits of the Subject Judge’s decisions or procedural rulings. Judicial Conduct Rule 11(c)(1)(B). Complainant’s remaining claims are based on allegations lacking sufficient evidence to raise an inference that the Subject Judge acted with an illicit or improper motive, was biased, used her office to obtain special treatment for the plaintiff, violated her oath of office, colluded with others, or otherwise engaged in misconduct. Judicial Conduct Rule 11(c)(1)(D). For these reasons, this Complaint is DISMISSED."

Whether he could or would seek to have the case heard in the West Palm division by a judge assigned to that decision is a separate question.

Ligyron

(8,006 posts)
35. West Palm is where it should have been heard in the first place.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 04:35 PM
Jun 2023

The Federal Courthouse is right across the bridge and no more than a couple miles from Mar a Lago.

How it got kicked way up to a Ft Pierce judge 50 miles away is rather curious and why it goes to Miami now, perhaps 110 miles from Ft Pierce and this judge's territory is Jack's doing I think.

The grand jury itself is out of West Palm sent down some 60 odd miles to hear this and maybe Jack was trying to get as far away from Ft Pierce and judge Cannon as realistically allowed.

A big deal is made about since she was the original judge assigned to this case she she therefore continue to sit on the bench.

But here's the thing...She was wrongly assigned to this case in the first place and was ruled as such by the 11th so idk how she is allowed to continue to sit on this case and does anybody really believe this was random?

Botany

(77,323 posts)
13. From your lips to my dog's ears.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 02:01 PM
Jun 2023



"The case Jack Smith has put together is so strong Cannon does not have much or any wiggle room
to pull nonsensical rulings. If she does, it will be appealed and shot down."
 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
15. It's certainly good to see this confidence in Florida justice suddenly.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 02:04 PM
Jun 2023

Last week, Florida was a Nazi province.

Difficult to keep up sometimes...

Ligyron

(8,006 posts)
37. The east coast of South Florida where this will take place is heavily Democratic.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 04:45 PM
Jun 2023

If that helps any.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
38. Miami-Dade has a huge republican presence.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 05:00 PM
Jun 2023

But I trust the good citizens of Florida to do their duty.

whopis01

(3,919 posts)
45. That area leans more Democratic than Republican
Sun Jun 11, 2023, 07:49 AM
Jun 2023

Not far off the National average. About 53-46 in the last election.

Traildogbob

(13,018 posts)
18. Thank you
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 03:27 PM
Jun 2023

I am gonna stop reading any more opinions today and enjoy a beautiful weekend and step back and bask in the indictment we have all waited so long for. I appreciate the encouragement and probably need more in the future, but for today, cheers to all, gonna sit on my deck with my dogs and guitar, a few hand crafted brews, beautiful blessed Mountain View and be happy for a while. We’ve all earned it. And I am sure Much happier than that pig is right now. The way it should be.

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
19. Again, If she doesn't recuse herself by Tuesday, Smith's motion on Tuesday should result in her
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 03:29 PM
Jun 2023

disqualification by the 11th Circuit's Chief Justice William Pryor. If Cannon refuses Smith's motion, Smith can appeal the motion to the 11th Circuit. No way Smith is going to let her preside or not recuse.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
21. None of these claims are backed up and one is not true
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 03:31 PM
Jun 2023

"All the experts" I've heard are not unanimous in saying, as you do, that no matter the judge dump will not walk. Weismann for one is concerned about the judge. He said there are options to follow if she is the judge but nobody knows now for sure what will happen going forward. I don't and neither do you.

I don't know if she will be a problem or not but a strong case and our wishes don't guarantee the outcome. I want to see what happens in the future before thinking it's a slam dunk.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
29. My opinion has been; if convicted, he'll end up with probation.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 04:19 PM
Jun 2023

Maybe he'll move to russia; they've offered.

radius777

(3,921 posts)
23. Hopefully she'll be on the straight and narrow,
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 03:33 PM
Jun 2023

knowing that she's being looked at, having been rebuked in the past.

Chalco

(1,439 posts)
24. Just so you know...
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 03:35 PM
Jun 2023

the area of South Florida where the trial will be held is predominantly Democratic.
Dade County, Broward County and Palm Beach County are heavily populated and mostly Democratic.

Cha

(319,076 posts)
39. You're Welcome, calimary.. It made
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 05:02 PM
Jun 2023

me feel better about it.

When I first saw the "Cannon" name attached to this I had a mini panic attack.

RT Atlanta

(2,741 posts)
26. Or, this may be the ultimate affirmation of guilt
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 03:39 PM
Jun 2023

If the jury convicts.

"Even with a 'trump' appointed judge, and even in FL, trusting and following the procedure and with overwhelming evidence of guilt, we were able to prosecute and obtain a conviction on all counts."

TheRickles

(3,386 posts)
30. Does a Grand Jury have to make a unanimous recommendation? Could 1 MAGAt have nixed the indictment?
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 04:21 PM
Jun 2023

mwooldri

(10,818 posts)
32. My understanding is that Cannons Court is a...
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 04:27 PM
Jun 2023

... Rocket Docket court. One known for speedy resolutions.

I don't think Judge Loose Cannon can mess around too much with this case.

prodigitalson

(3,193 posts)
33. i was worried about it until I saw the indictment
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 04:31 PM
Jun 2023

he could get steve bannon as his judge and not weasel out of this. and yeah, the 11th circuit, rw as they are, have her number and won't brook any of her bullshit.

in fact i bet the DoJ can get the 11th to take her off the case. they have already called her biased for the now defendant.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
42. The other case and this case are totally different.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 05:20 PM
Jun 2023

This is a criminal trial. She could outright dismiss the charges. She could rule that certain key evidence isn't allowed. And even if he's convicted, she could give him probation.

Pretending like she can't do massive damage is 100% wrong. She can completely destroy this entire case and allow Trump to walk free.

drray23

(8,759 posts)
43. case dismissal can be appealed.
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 06:58 PM
Jun 2023

and you can be sure it would be appealed. There is no ground for that case to be dismissed.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
44. Well, it looks like she's going to be the judge on the case
Sat Jun 10, 2023, 07:21 PM
Jun 2023

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I don't believe this will be a fair trial with her in place.

Response to drray23 (Original post)

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
47. She could eff-up the sentencing after a Guilty verdict.
Sun Jun 11, 2023, 08:21 AM
Jun 2023

Jack Smith should reconvene the GJ to vote to add witness tampering indictments (after his peach the other night and social posts...).

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