Palmer: Confused Donald Trump says he might cut plea deal in DOJ case if they pay him

[Laura PourMeADrink]

https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/confused-donald-trump-says-he-might-cut-plea-deal-in-doj-case-if-they-pay-him/50600/

Donald Trump made his first public appearance after being criminally indicted by the DOJ, and as one might have predicted, it went rather stupidly. Trump oddly made a point of insisting he’ll stay in the 2024 race even though he’s going on trial fairly soon for Espionage Act charges. This felt oddly defensive, given that no one anywhere was expecting him to just drop out immediately after being indicted. But then he said something truly strange.

Trump said he might be willing to cut a plea deal with the DOJ if “they pay me some damages.” No really, he said this. He really said this.

Maybe Trump was trying to be funny. But even if so, what he said still didn’t make sense. He seems to think this is some kind of civil case, where only monetary damages are on the line. He thinks this is negotiable. He doesn’t really appear to understand that he’ll be put on criminal trial, he’ll be found guilty, and he’ll go to federal prison, and the only “negotiation” he could potentially make is a slightly shorter prison sentence in exchange for pleading guilty.

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But all of Trump’s obvious confusion and lack of a human sense of humor aside, he may have given something away here. He seems to be talking about some kind of scenario where he’s paid to go away, which makes you wonder if his endgame really is to get the RNC and its donors to pay him to exit the race rather than continuing to “run” once he’s in prison. We’ll see.

[tanyev]

1. No more confused than usual. That's how Donald Trump's mind works.

Also suggests that he's been paid to be there (Putin?) and he needs an even better offer to go away.

[Irish_Dem]

6. I agree, it is not confusion, but his typical sociopathy.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. Excellent point have never heard before - that all along

he's been paid to be here.

[brewens]

2. Sure. Make a deal with him on the condition that he burns everyone else. In that case he wouldn't

be able to help himself and withhold information. That would nullify the deal and he gets locked up anyway along with whoever he ratted out.

[leftyladyfrommo]

3. I'm not sure Donald is as dumb as he pretends to be.

He never seemed to pay any attention during briefings but he sure knew which files to take.

[delisen]

7. Exactly. nt

[markie]

8. seems

he took most of them

[Irish_Dem]

9. Yep. He and Kushner knew exactly what documents to steal and how much they were worth to the penny.

[KS Toronado]

19. "he sure knew which files to take"

The ones Putin asked for.

[LymphocyteLover]

29. he's definitely not as dumb as he pretends to be but he's not that smart either

all his beliefs revolve around selfish short-term thinking and he uses extreme bluster and threats to get his way

[Bernardo de La Paz]

30. tRump is not wise. He is clever with media and Other People's Money

He thinks he can plead guilty to a misdemeanor and get compensated for the money he would have grifted selling documents or using them to whip up frenzies (Crossfire Hurricane docs) for election a second time; his biggest grift and his get-out-jail-free card if he succeeds.

He is still thinking he is shaking down second-tier contractors in New York City.

He is not used to being in this kind of trouble on this kind of scale and so is not able to think clearly about it.

[LisaM]

38. He knew which files to take, but...

I really don't think he understands why it was wrong to take them or the actual security implications of doing so. He seems to believe government is a business, albeit in his case a shady business.

[Martin Eden]

43. Didn't he take pretty much all the papers in his possession?

Just two weeks after J6 my guess he was still in full rage mode, still in denial at being forced out. What are the chances he used that time to evaluate the thousands of ducuments in all those boxes?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

48. Ha. Maybe that's why it took him so long to sift

thru the boxes. He had vague recollection of..

"hhhmmmm other countries.... Nukes ( what's the big deal about that?).... Think I remember something about big booms? Maybe a map? Gotta be in here somewhere. Jeez wish I had listened more"

[demmiblue]

4. Palmer Report... haven't seen that "source" used here in quite some time. n/t

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. It's not being used as a source. You doubt tRump said what they quote him for?

Beyond the quote, the excerpt is opinion.

Are you against posting opinion excerpts (whatever the "source" ) as points of departure in General Discussion?

If you think the facts are wrong, attack the facts with evidence. Do you want to attack the opinion but can't so you attack the "source" with sneer quotes?

[demmiblue]

40. ...

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[radius777]

71. +1. Palmer is an insightful and entertaining

writer despite the criticism he gets, and as you stated he simply quoted Trump and offered his opinion.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

49. Ha. Me neither but for some reason it popped up in my feed.

Ya... Used to like them it then it became a mortal sin to quote.

[CommonHumanity]

53. Same Trump statement in the conservative National Review

I checked to see if I could find it in another place and here is what I found for starters:

During his interview with Politico, Trump said he did not expect to be convicted, but may be open to a plea deal “where they pay me some damages.”

National Review
RyaN mILLS
June 11, 2023 9:48 AM

[markie]

5. it's all

transactional... and money is always the medium

he is a very sick man

[SouthernDem4ever]

10. +1

[lark]

11. Donald is certain Aileen Cannon will protect him.

i am sure she will do her very best to make sure he is not indicted. She will delay, delay, delay, disallow evidence and fuck with the Justice Dept. It is what she does for her man - she has already proven this. Best is this happens immediately, Smith files and 11th moves quickly. Even then, quickly in judicial time is not the same as in regular time. There was already a very small window and getting her was a major bonus for fascism worldwide. PUtin is so happy!

[claudette]

12. And again

He will not be held accountable. Just like the impeachments

[lark]

15. I am so afraid of that!

I don't think he will be aquitted, just think everything will take too long. Fani Willis is our only hope and it's a thin one because don't think this will take effect before the election which could allow him to steal the presidency and fuck democracy.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

21. No Judge can protect anyone from the thing called...Evidence. It's a mountain.

Loose Cannon or Tight Cannon, doesn’t matter.

The Law don’t care much for bias…and the 11 Circuit, legally bound to hear any appeals, having kicked the Cannon once…and the eyes of the world are watching.

Trump walks when ducks can talk..and many more perp walks to come!!

Isn’t the rule of law majestic?

[bpj62]

47. Impeachment vs Federal Indictment

Impeachment requires the majority of the House to first charge him with a high crime and misdemeanor and then the Senate holds the trial and you must get 2/3 of the Senate to vote for conviction. That was never going to happen in the Senate.
With a Federal Indictment you must have a grand jury return charges and then the Indictment is read onto the record and the defendant is arraigned in front of a judge. For some reason you seem to think that Ailern Cannon is just going to stand up and say "Hey, these charges are a joke and you sir are free to go". It doesn't work that way and it won't happen.

On Tuesday afternoon at 3pm the defendant Donald J. Trump will appear before a magistrate judge in Miami where he will have the 37 counts read to him and he will be asked if he understands those charges. He will then be asked to enter a plea and either he or his attorneys will enter a plea of not guilty. After that it is game on.

I don't see where Trump gets away with anything . These charges are serious and there is substantial evidence, some of it being Trumps own words to back up those charges. If this goes to a jury then it will be up to the jury to determine his innocence or guilt.

[claudette]

52. And a

jury in Florida will convict him? I wish I were sure of that

[bpj62]

66. Not under our control

All I wanted was for Trump to be indicted for the crimes he has been charged with. Juries are funny as they tend to take their job seriously. Just because it is in Florida does not mean Trump will walk.

[claudette]

70. True. Nothing is certain

But I am still afraid he will walk. Again.

[LaMouffette]

32. Cannon really is a wild card. God only knows what she will do. But maybe she sees the writing on the

wall that Benedict Donald is going to prison in the end no matter what she does, and she may tell herself, in typical Republican fashion, "I've got my judge appointment. WTF do I care what happens to this POS now?"

But yes, Traitor Trump, Putin, and dictators around the world are counting on Cannon to do the right thing—for them—by doing the wrong thing for America.

[Geechie]

55. Good piece by Joyce Vance ...

Including why it might not work out so well for Il Douche:

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trumps-37-counts-indictment-will-test-judge-aileen-cannon-rcna88670]

[Voltaire2]

62. Cannon got slapped down hard the last time.

I don’t think the appeals court above her is going to tolerate any bullshit moves from her, and I think she knows this.

[lark]

63. If she cared, she would have changed after they first slapped her down - she did not.

She does not care about them, she only seems to care for one thing and that is protecting tfg about all else. She obvioiusly has zero care for the law - has proven this beyond a shadow of a doubt - already.

[malaise]

13. The crazy fucker doesn't have a clue what's coming

In his head, this is all a TV show. I have long described him as a cartoon character.
Consequences are finally coming for this lunatic buffoon.

[PJMcK]

22. Exactly

The walls are closing in on Slobby. He’s too foolish to understand that his legal troubles are deeply serious. Since he cannot get good lawyers, mostly because he’s a terrible client, the legal advice he’s getting is either sophomoric or he ignores it. Both the client and his lawyers are out of their league.

Trump is finally getting cornered. All of the hand-wringing is tiresome. After all, he hasn’t even been arraigned yet! Jack Smith, unlike Fitzgerald or Mueller, has got this. I don’t think he’s going to let Trump get away.

Enjoy your Sunday, malaise.

[malaise]

24. You too my friend

It’s the start of a week that will live in history 😀

[yonder]

56. Do Deals Donny.

That's the only thing his shallow miserable life knows. Everything is a transaction, the more fraudulently lopsided in his favour, the better.

[Marthe48]

14. Don't go away mad

just go away

[ancianita]

16. He can pay off the RNC, but he's not paying off the Jack Smith DOJ. The 37 charges won't be dropped.

He and his lawyer know he's headed to jail, in or out of the campaign. All it takes is ONE "Guilty" verdict from the Miami jury out of the 37 counts.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. But have they proven it wrong that HE could drop case

If he became prez again?

[ancianita]

58. You can't prove a future hypothetical.

You're messin' with us, right?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

59. :). No heard legal analysts say he could order DOJ

to drop all charges if he became prez. Whether or not as prez he could pardon himself untested.

Guess didn't mean proven, more determined that a prez has the right to drop a federal case. Or course he's the target to boot.

[ancianita]

60. 7,000,000 will return to obliterate pundit hypotheticals. You can count on it.

Why entertain baseless hypotheticals? Just because he possibly could, doesn't mean he probably will. The numbers for him to win are just not there and these pundits know it. This is hype, as if Democrats will only vote based on that.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

64. Or... Could be a really good campaign motivator for us!!!! If

he gets nomination. Just different brain wiring... To look at events that could happen and try to use to your advantage. Critical thinking, someone's gotta do it! And if we've learned one thing - should not put a single thing past his devious mind.

[ancianita]

65. I hear you. I'm pretty sure that 7 million will show up again, since things look the same as last

time. Maybe even more will turn out now. Florida's got 4 million registered as "non-affiliated." Maybe what goes down in Miami could turn the state in 2024. Or maybe those are "bought" swing votes, because it's Florida, man, 16 + billionaires and all that oligarch self interest.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

67. Where you getting 7 mil? Was that the FL voter #s

[ancianita]

68. No, that's always Biden's win total over Trump. They're still out there.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

69. Oh ok. I always say 8 lol. I was just looking at approvals

from Oct 2020 compared to today. I was surprised, Biden's about the same. But trump's is down 5 pts.

[Roy Rolling]

17. K.I.S.S.

Donald stole valuable stuff from his last employer and wants to be paid to keep it secret.

He’s a garden variety kidnapper asking for ransom and transportation to get away from the scene of the crime.

[vlyons]

18. Wouldn't it be funny if were not granted bail?

Marched off right then and there to prison to await trial. It would mean no campaigning. No debates. No tweets. I doubt that judge would deny him bail. But even so, wouldn't we all be evewr so delighted?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

76. But they could require he not leave state! That'd be cool :)

Or u think he could be made to ask permission to leave. Make him pay more legal fees. Pretty soon his followers won't be able to buy a stamp to mail him money

[ancianita]

20. Plea deal?? Pffft!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fj3kmEcWAAARNxm?format=jpg

[twodogsbarking]

23. Life in prison, with Melania, in the same cell.

[dembotoz]

25. a plea deal is a sure thing a conviction is not

you have a lot of people in his base that think he is jesus.
Think if you had the power to proclaim that you saved jesus from the cross...

Think of the fame and money the juror who kept trump out of prison would get.
It would be like winning the lottery.

[ancianita]

45. When it's over 31 counts of under the Espionage Act, No Plea Deal is a sure thing.

All it takes is one "Guilty" verdict from the Miami jury out of the 37 counts to put Trump in prison. He and Blanche know that.

[COL Mustard]

26. He'll never go to real jail

The logistics would be too hard. Or if he did, it would be someplace where he was the only inmate, surrounded by his SS detail who have to protect him wherever he is. I think it might be house arrest where he can only have a certain number of visitors and of course can't leave the house, and no access to the internet. It's not the same as what I would get for document mishandling, but I'm not under SS protection either.

[Ilsa]

33. And what a shitty assignment that would be for his SS protection detail. nt

[Hamlette]

27. Hey wants the $18M Nixon got nt

[Takket]

28. Traditional damages are paid to the aggrieved party

Not the person the committed the crime.

[dlk]

34. It's all about the money with Trump

And since he’s never been truly held accountable for his entire life of crime, the reality of his current situation apparently hasn’t sunk in. This is one time he won’t be able to buy his way out of consequences, although there’s no doubt he’ll try.

Trump is the leader of the Republican Party and truly represents who they are. Even post-Trump, the stink will remain.

[Wonder Why]

35. I think the DOJ should agree to a deal:

Trump gets 30 years. Then he gets a $25 prison gift certificate.

[ancianita]

46. Not up to the DOJ. Only Smith.

[moreland01]

36. The way I read the indictment

there are no mandatory minimum penalties. If it were me up against those kinds of charges, I too would look at the minimums, not the maximum sentences. General BetrayUs got zero jail time.

So, I'm sure he's rationalized that he'll get the minimum sentence on all charges and be slapped with a monetary fine that the RNC will pay if he drops out of the race. That scenario is highly likely despite what we all would prefer to see.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

51. Is incarceration mandatory?

[moreland01]

73. No.

That's what "no mandatory minimums" means. No mandatory minimum jail time. The max jail time is 20 years for each count. So, he could get from zero jail time to 20 years jail time for each count. Not sure about whether those 20-year counts can be served simultaneously, or if they're required to be consecutive.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

75. Thanks !!!

[KentuckyWoman]

37. Actually this makes perfect sense.

He has a long history of suing anyone who publicly says anything bad about him. He hires a contractor. Gets the work done. Refuses to pay picking out some small technicality. They sue him for payment. He sues them for defamation. Depending on how bad Trump wants vengeance for going up against him, the contractors either drop their suit for payment or they end up paying him to go away.

Trump thinks he owns the government. He considers the DOJ is an uppity contractor hassling him for no reason - because of dear leader does it then it's legal. I have no doubt he expects to sue the US government and get a big paycheck out of it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

54. Interesting. So "pay me" could be taken mulitple

ways. From the literal write me a check, to ultimately free services, to legal findings payments, to donations, etc.

[newdayneeded]

39. The truth is,

even if this is remotely true, he would take the plea deal accept the money, and then run anyway! his ego wouldn't allow him to drop out.

[Uncle Joe]

41. That's what happens boys and girls when you lay out of history class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

Thanks for the thread Laura PourMeADrink

[mollie8]

42. Prison?

I'm beginning to think he should be placed in a mental hospital.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

61. +1..... A thread throughout his crimes has been a delusional

belief that he can do anything.

Law on retaining docs? Screw it.
Law on assaulting women? Screw it
Fed subpoena compliance? Screw it
Don't hide deadly disease? Screw it
Don't withhold PPE? Screw it
Don't storm the US Capitol? Screw it
Graciously concede in Nov? Screw it
Pay taxes honestly? Screw it

EGOMANIA!!!

[LiberalFighter]

57. He thinks if the RNC pays for him to go away the charges will be dropped?

[Celerity]

72. The Palmer Report. The ghosts of birdcage liners past now come to me in a hauntingly retro miasma.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

77. What'd they do, long ago :)

[wishstar]

74. He knows about Nixon case where DOJ paid $18 million to Nixon's estate for his WH papers

and tapes although after that settlement to Nixon's estate the Presidential Records act was passed to require that Presidents had to turn over all of the official records from their time in the WH.

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2000/06/13/u-s-to-pay-nixon-estate-18-million-for-papers-tapes/

[Laura PourMeADrink]

78. Ahh. That's interesting! Good job TB.com