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applegrove

(132,559 posts)
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 07:59 PM Jun 2023

Koch Network Says Trump Can't Win

Koch Network Says Trump Can’t Win

June 12, 2023 at 5:13 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 157 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2023/06/12/koch-network-ads-say-trump-cant-win/

"SNIP.......

“The political network financed largely by billionaire Charles Koch is launching a wave of digital ads targeting former President Donald Trump,” CNBC reports.

“The ads argue that if Trump becomes the Republican nominee next year, it will lead to President Joe Biden winning reelection.”

“One of the spots, titled Only Way, has a voiceover saying, ‘The only way Biden wins is if we nominate Trump again.'”

........SNIP"

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applegrove

(132,559 posts)
1. When animals attack I could never watch before. But I could watch
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 08:02 PM
Jun 2023

this version. I can't wait for secrets to be revealed. GOP is really good at keeping secrets but desperation will change that I hope.

Midnight Writer

(25,531 posts)
3. And if Trump doesn't win the Republican nomination, he'll take his cult with him.
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 08:10 PM
Jun 2023

I don't see any path for the Republicans to win in 2024, unless Trump dies a martyr and they capitalize on that.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
10. He's slimy and corrupt himself, but I would take a Christie President over Trump/DeSantis
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:10 PM
Jun 2023

But since Biden is going to win, Christie has no shot anyway.

lapfog_1

(31,932 posts)
5. welcome to the second Biden term
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 08:49 PM
Jun 2023

because I don't think any republican BUT Trump can win.

Trump has a cult. That cult will likely not switch to another Trump-lite republican.

They need that base of ignorant hateful people (deplorables) to have a chance.

But I think that base only turns out for Trump.

OTOH, Trump has alienated so many other people (never trumpers, all of us Democrats, many independents, young voters, etc, etc) that Koch is correct, Trump can not win either.

In fact, almost whatever the Repukes do now, We win the Presidency, the Senate and the House.

And maybe for a long time to come.

progressoid

(53,240 posts)
7. I hope the Biden campaign is making plans for the alternative to Trump.
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 09:43 PM
Jun 2023

It's looking more and more likely he won't be the nominee. That means a tougher row to hoe for Joe.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
11. Trump is going to be the nominee. He's like 40 points above the #2
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:11 PM
Jun 2023

There is not a single person in the GOP who can beat him in a primary. The only way he loses is if they don't allow him on the ballot.

progressoid

(53,240 posts)
15. Yeah, a lot can yet.
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:40 PM
Jun 2023

I was one who thought he was untouchable, but its looking like his shit is finally starting to hit the fan. (I hope)

The NY State tax fraud case is in October. The Stormy Daniels hush money case will go to trial next March. Now we have this classified documents case. Let's not forget Fani Willis and election tampering in Georgia is coming up. And it seems Jack Smith is working on a Jan 6th investigation too.

He's gonna run out of lawyers and apologists.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
8. So they are saying any of the other republicans
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 09:52 PM
Jun 2023

in the clown car can beat Biden? Think about how silly that sounds.

applegrove

(132,559 posts)
13. The MAGA base only have a connection to Trump. They will be depressed
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:22 PM
Jun 2023

and not motivated to vote for anyone who doesn't have his "charisma" that touches them through the TV screen. I think that is the point.

WarGamer

(18,713 posts)
9. I disagree.
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 10:32 PM
Jun 2023

I think if Trump is defeated in the primary... it'll be so dirty and you'll end up with MAGAts saying fuck this and staying at home.

So then you get the run of the mill GOP'ers who voted for Romney and McCain, aka around 55-60m voters. Big DEM win.

Best thing for GOP to do is allow Trump to lose in the general and come back in 28 with Trumplite.

if they can keep the magats and get the moderate suburban gopers back, that's a lot of votes.

Emile

(42,579 posts)
12. and if Trump is not the republican nominee a good
Mon Jun 12, 2023, 11:14 PM
Jun 2023

part of his hard core base stay home.

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