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WhiskeyGrinder

(26,953 posts)
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:14 PM Jun 2023

The US Is Openly Stockpiling Dirt on All Its Citizens

https://www.wired.com/story/odni-commercially-available-information-report/

free link: https://archive.is/SzVdL

The United States government has been secretly amassing a “large amount” of “sensitive and intimate information” on its own citizens, a group of senior advisers informed Avril Haines, the director of national intelligence, more than a year ago.

The size and scope of the government effort to accumulate data revealing the minute details of Americans' lives are described soberly and at length by the director's own panel of experts in a newly declassified report. Haines had first tasked her advisers in late 2021 with untangling a web of secretive business arrangements between commercial data brokers and US intelligence community members.

What that report ended up saying constitutes a nightmare scenario for privacy defenders.

“This report reveals what we feared most,” says Sean Vitka, a policy attorney at the nonprofit Demand Progress. “Intelligence agencies are flouting the law and buying information about Americans that Congress and the Supreme Court have made clear the government should not have.”

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CrispyQ

(40,969 posts)
3. Privacy is dead. We traded it for convenience.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:23 PM
Jun 2023

We did this to ourselves. "Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to do X anymore?" "It would be so cool if technology could do Y for us." We wanted easier lives & they gave it to us.

Also, most legislative bodies can't keep up with technology & when they're as dysfunctional as ours, well good luck.

Kid Berwyn

(24,374 posts)
4. Hannah Arendt on "Why they would do that."
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:25 PM
Jun 2023
The Goal of Wholesale Surveillance

The goal of wholesale surveillance, as (Hannah) Arendt wrote in “The Origins of Totalitarianism,” is not, in the end, to discover crimes, “but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population.” And because Americans’ emails, phone conversations, Web searches and geographical movements are recorded and stored in perpetuity in government databases, there will be more than enough “evidence” to seize us should the state deem it necessary. This information waits like a deadly virus inside government vaults to be turned against us. It does not matter how trivial or innocent that information is. In totalitarian states, justice, like truth, is irrelevant.

Chris Hedges, The Last Gasp of American Democracy

ProfessorPlum

(11,461 posts)
6. It's the same reason they make common things that people do illegal
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:30 PM
Jun 2023

so there is always an excuse on hand to arrest anyone at will. The drug war, the war on pot, etc. are great examples of this.

Farmer-Rick

(12,663 posts)
10. Exactly this
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:50 PM
Jun 2023

Nuisance laws are most common in red states. I think forced birth laws fall into that category since an abortion is just a drive across a state line or a plane ticket away.

Since half the states in the US allow abortions up to viability, the red states are not stopping anyone from getting an abortion. They are just punishing the poor and vulnerable with forced birth so they can keep them poor and vulnerable and later easily rounded up.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
7. Steppenwolf warned us:
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 12:33 PM
Jun 2023
"The police force is watching the people, and the people just can't understand."

keep_left

(3,210 posts)
11. Yep, and many other neocon miscreants from the Bush eras (GHWB and GWB).
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 01:03 PM
Jun 2023

Adm John Poindexter, of Iran-Contra fame, was one of the key players in the Orwellian "Total Information Awareness" program.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office

Ferrets are Cool

(22,956 posts)
16. In my mind, IF those actors had been Democrats, they would be rotting in jail, but
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 04:28 PM
Jun 2023

repugs rarely get what they deserve.

Beartracks

(14,591 posts)
12. Puts the lie to "Well, if you haven't done anything wrong..."
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 01:18 PM
Jun 2023

... because what if they decide to re-define what is considered "wrong"??

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Hekate

(100,133 posts)
14. We give it all away for free every time we are given a shiny new toy. Then it gets monetized.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 01:23 PM
Jun 2023

Am I surprised? Not a whole helluva lot.

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