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As a person on the edge of the Baby Boomer generation, I am finding myself struggling to understand millennials. So I've been googling, and trying to take in what I'm hearing. First, millennials are shaped by things like 9/11, the Obama years, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, the 2008 recession and of course, the Pandemic. They have also been shaped by Baby Boomer parents. They have been called narcissistic and lazy. They have also been called creative, tech-savvy and involved. They job hop. They insist on work life balance. Many are more entrepreneurial than interested in the corporate world. They are more educated, especially the women... and the uneducated are struggling to find jobs. The data shows that they are liberal on most social issues, but still leaning conservatively on other issues, including guns. Many are Independents and hard for the parties to woo.
I often wonder if there are many millennials here at DU. And if there aren't, whether we are losing out by not hearing their voices.
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WhiskeyGrinder
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marble falls
(71,894 posts)... individual flames or group slams - both against ToS as I read them.
As a boomer I see a lot of boomer ideals in them and it gives me hope for the future for after I depart this plane too soon enough.
BannonsLiver
(20,570 posts)marble falls
(71,894 posts)BannonsLiver
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qwlauren35
(6,309 posts)Loyalty to a company, work hard and get ahead.
Pensions are the way to go.
Pro-democracy, anti-communism.
To the moon and beyond.
America first. Russia bad.
Civil rights is a black thing.
Abortion is something women do.
Personal computers are amazing, AOL is the beginning of the Internet.
Microwave ovens are amazing. It's normal for fixing dinner to take a few hours.
Television goes off the air at midnight.
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That's all I can think of.
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Claustrum
(5,058 posts)I've seen quite a few other older Millennials but I haven't seen the younger ones.
As far as the lazy accusation, go back 10-15 years ago, they were accusing Gen X for the same thing. It's like clock work that older generations accuse of newcomers. Part of it maybe it takes a few years to settle into your job. Part of it is people trying to find their passion in work so they hop around jobs before they find one that fits. And then, there is the digital nomad lifestyle and flexible time Uber that didn't use to exist that allows for a different work environment than previous generations.
yardwork
(69,352 posts)
Aristus
(72,152 posts)the previous generations invented.
To my way of thinking, previous generations were lazy for choosing war over diplomacy, lazy for choosing industrial pollution instead of diligent clean-up, lazy for choosing slavery instead of doing their own damned work, lazy for choosing segregation instead of social brotherhood, lazy for blaming the newer generation for the world's ills, instead of themselves and their own predecessors.
As a Gen X-er myself, I think of Millenials and Gen Z as being best-able to be idealistic while still accepting the practical realities of day-to-day living. We've handed them a festering shithole of a world, and they're either going to make the best of it, or make the effort to improve it.
Oneironaut
(6,294 posts)Working hard for someone else is a good way to waste your life. Then, they’ll just lay you off anyway by e-mail.
As for narcissism, everyone is now, sadly. It’s the fruits we bear from social media.
qwlauren35
(6,309 posts)I have been reading a ot about millennials insisting on work-life balance and this is very strange to me. I have thrown my entire existence into my identity as an engineer, and put work first for much of my life. I also have never been laid off, so I don't know what it's like. I come from the generation where people stayed at one job, and I am still meeting people my age who have been at companies for 20-30 years. We think it's normal, and find job hopping very disruptive to the environment.
On the other hand, I have read that when millennials job hop, they get exposed to lots of different ways of doing things, and can bring that knowledge to a new company as a benefit. Looking at the glass half-full.
The articles I read were very interesting because they talked about the mindset that a hiring manager needs in order to attract millennials to their workforce. Millennials care about things that are alien to me. Like corporate responsibility, sustainability, transparency, authenticity. It seems that millennials are driving a sense of corporate conscience. And as we are seeing, this is clashing with older, conservative consumers.
I think the biggest reason why I am so clueless is because I don't have children. It has kept me from coming into the 21st century, and I think I'm trying to evolve.
Oneironaut
(6,294 posts)My office is one of them. My co-worker, who worked at the company for 25 years, had his network access shut off before anyone told him he was laid off. Management had us troubleshoot his account as a ruse, knowing he was already fired. He was shut off immediately and was never given the chance to say goodbye to anyone.
Millennials are aware how replaceable we all are in corporations, and, how little putting in effort can matter.
Autumn
(48,954 posts)
FSogol
(47,616 posts)
Autumn
(48,954 posts)FSogol
(47,616 posts)
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)
DFW
(60,168 posts)I own fossils of animals that used to be my house pets.
Does that make me elderly?
Tree Lady
(13,279 posts)
FSogol
(47,616 posts)Has it really been 19 years?
Tree Lady
(13,279 posts)May 25, 2004. I was working on the John Kerry campaign registering voters in the bay area and I went on a out of state trip to Reno with the Sierra club and we went door to door that spring. I found a link for DU on Michael Moore's website. We liked all his movies.
I really thought Bush was such a disaster surely John would win, then I thought no way people will vote for Trump. Now I am afraid republicans will steal the next election. I don't trust anything.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,983 posts)There are plenty of places on the web dominated by younger people. It's rare to find a place where one can hear from the older generations.
demmiblue
(39,701 posts)There are a few here, and I value their input... wish there were more. I do not find them to be narcissistic, lazy or conservative related to gun issues (do you have a link for this?).
DU will eventually age-out, and I find that sad. 
qwlauren35
(6,309 posts)There are actually a lot of links about it. Here's one:
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/24/588069946/millennials-are-no-more-liberal-on-gun-control-than-elders-polls-show
According to this article, only 50% of millennials are in favor of stricter gun laws. This shocked me, but the article suggests that it is Gen Z that has the concerns, because they are the generation affected by school shootings, and since most of them aren't voting yet, there's not as much data on them.
treestar
(82,383 posts)I don't think it is. Unless they are hyper sensitive and don't like the fact mentioned when they fail to vote?
Or the constant times we are told we need their votes, but can only get them if "we" give them something? And the suggestion that we should not have to do that and can't always do that, because they don't vote and so there are Republicans in office that will never agree to what they want?
Which may not be true, but we are told that over and over in every thread about them.
betsuni
(29,059 posts)
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)yardwork
(69,352 posts)The world they grew into is very different from the one we had. Their economic opportunities are far, far less than ours.
When my first spouse and I were in our mid-twenties, we could afford a 1700 sq ft ranch home. It was a fixer upper, but only 30 years old.
Our oldest son, with more degrees than we had at that age, and his wife could barely afford an 800 sq ft house in the same neighborhood. They paid more than three times what we paid for the house we bought at their age, but their salaries (for comparable jobs) are nowhere near three times greater. And that's just one aspect. Factor in the college tuition debt and the cost of everything else - wages have not kept up with costs.
And then there's global warming....
I have no criticisms to bring to the younger folks. They're doing the best they can.
qwlauren35
(6,309 posts)Life has not been financially fair to Millennials.
Tree Lady
(13,279 posts)daughter and stepdaughter both democrats and both did go to college and have good jobs. Both too busy working and raising kids to be online these days.
My older daughter gen x is only republican in family, makes good money no college just hard work, leadership qualities and organization skills. Been that way her whole life. She used to be democrat but last 10 years surrounded at work, her boyfriend and girlfriends republicans they changed her mind and she sees me as her hippy/yuppie mom.
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)I'm 32 years old trans woman on DU! I'm the unicorn here but no I am not lazy. I work at a coffee shop and struggle like anyone else does with paying bills. I love my job though. So that's a rarity.
qwlauren35
(6,309 posts)I hope you will speak up with fresh views, and teach us things! 
vercetti2021
(10,481 posts)But I'm very Brash about my beliefs you know I make it very clear on where I stand on a lot of stuff and a lot of the times I have a few people that will always ride my ass whenever I post something. You know I think it has a lot to do with me being young and transgender because it seems like a lot of people still can't grasp we live in the 21st century. So while there's a lot of people who are willing to listen there's also going to be people that are very stubborn and will challenge you at every freaking corner.
Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)Born in 83.
qwlauren35
(6,309 posts)DU benefits from having age-diversity.
JHB
(38,200 posts)...and those that do find their way here often run into trouble before they get a feel for the place by not saying things in a way that won't get their posts removed.
W_HAMILTON
(10,331 posts)
Celerity
(54,365 posts)I identify as Zillennial ( cusper micro gen of people born 1992/3 to 1998 or so). We have elements of both Millennials and Gen Z. Basically old enough to have some (even if very vague) memories of 9/11, yet not double digit in age when it occurred. In some of the polls that broke down cohorts into 5 year blocs, we voted Dem even higher than the Gen Zers who could vote (The oldest Gen Zers could already vote in 2015 and 2016 elections, and their numbers grow larger as 2017 to 2022, etc roll by.) I was eligible by a couple weeks to vote in the 2014 mid-terms, which I did.
I have tried over the past 5 years of being on DU to get dozens of people in my broad age cohort (18-32/34) to join, with almost no success. The youth bashing at times gets out of hand, especially when it is directed at Millennials . I have been told thanks but no thanks so many times. I have stopped trying to recruit as of 6 to 9 months ago or so.
In general (and I am sure many Gen Xers felt this too, in terms of the first) the two most hostile Gen wars I have seen (this is far from limited to DU, and the 2nd one doesn't’t even exist here) are
Boomers v Millennials
and now (non DU as there are too few in number here)
Gen Z (especially the 2000/2001 born and younger) versus Millennials (especially the 1981 to say, 1989/90 born). Reddit is a shit show for that. So is TikTok.
I myself relate (mainly talking about Americans living in America, I was born in Los Angeles, but grew up in London) the most with 199091 to 1997ish born. I started uni right before I turned 15, as I skipped multiple grades earlier on, so my best real life mates are mostly born 1991 to 1995.
we can do it
(13,024 posts)We are all concerned with the environment and human rights. Let’s concentrate on making things better. And not differences/ ages. One thing that stands out is less labeling of others.
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)(Early baby boomer here)
Generation Names
The Greatest Generation – born 1901-1924
The Silent Generation – born 1925-1945
The Baby Boomer Generation – born 1946-1964
Generation X – born 1965-1979
Millennials – born 1980-1994
Generation Z – born 1995-2012
Gen Alpha – born 2013 – 2025
.
You've Gotta Love Millennials - Micah Tyler
DFW
(60,168 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 18, 2023, 11:12 AM - Edit history (1)
I mean, I know my wife and I were boomers. Someone pointed that out to us.
But the rest? Who is centennial, millennial, Seanpennial or perennial? Hell if I know. And then there are the Gens. A to Z, and then even Gen 
Gen Yuzz (after all, there must be SOMEbody out there with a Yuzzamatuzz, right?)
I think our daughters count as millenials (now that I have the time frame). Narcissistic? Lazy? Wrong planet. Not our two young women. Someone needs some help with their generalizations. Creative, tech-savvy, involved? Yes, they are both all three. Job-hopping? Wrong again. Especially our younger daughter. She became the youngest partner ever in a big New York international law firm at age 31, and makes many multiples of what I do. She'd have to be crazy to job-hop, and she's anything BUT crazy. She doesn't show off, but she is also hugely and selflessly generous to family and friends. They both are liberal on social issues, and have no need whatsoever for guns, or people who covet them. Conservative on social issues in that they concentrate on their one partner, their one family, and the well-being of both. Yes, "conservative" with a small "c," but not as defined on Fox Noise or in Republicanese.
They are only hard for parties to woo because both of them are solid Democrats, and have voted that way since they could vote. They ARE independent thinkers, which is WHY they are Democrats. It's the Republicans who let others do their thinking for them--the very opposite of independent.
So much for labels and trying to make people fit into them. It's no immense task with right-wingers, but with us? Leave the labels at home, because for all the rules you make, you're only going to end up finding exceptions to them.
eShirl
(20,246 posts)1964 Gen X here 
DFW
(60,168 posts)(Because most people stop at the Z, but not me!)
Celerity
(54,365 posts)Here are the widely accepted ones:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18016971
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)Anyone born on the edges of the dates is welcome to affiliate with their personal choice.
Celerity
(54,365 posts)Here are the widely accepted (including in much of academia) dates:
The Greatest (or GI) Generation – born 1901-1927
Silent Generation – born 1928-1945
Baby Boomers – born 1946-1964
Generation X – born 1965-1980
Millennials – born 1981-1996
Generation Z – born 1997-2012
Gen Alpha – born 2013 – 2028
Micro and/or Cusper Gens post WWII:
Generation Jones - born 1956 or 1957 (or even 1958)-1964 (the original cohort of 1954 to 1965 was simply too large, it has been narrowed down by many, including many in academia)
Blank Generation/Skip Years - born 1965 and 1966 (not so common in the US, more commonly used in the UK, France, Spain etc, and especially Sweden). I started to write an undergrad paper on it, but broadened it out to post WWII micro gens in general.
Xennials/Carter Babies - born 1977-1980, (some extend it to 81 or even 82) This micro Gen is closer to Millennials than they are to late Gen Jones and early Gen Xers.
Zillennials - born 1992 or 1993-1998 (I am late 1996 born and self identity as a Zillennial, I have distinct differences with early Millenials, and can now start to see clear differences with 2001/02 and later born Gen Zers) Basic delineated boundaries are you are old enough to have some (even very vague) memories of 9/11 but were not yet double digits in age.
I think in a few years there will a COVID (the actual pademic truly impacted years of 2020 and 2021 when there were massive shutdowns, etc) inflection point-caused new micro gen made.
DFW
(60,168 posts)Celerity
(54,365 posts) 
DFW
(60,168 posts)The older you get, the more you realize how little you know.
LostOne4Ever
(9,752 posts)I was born in 1982. That makes me one the very last years of Generation X by some definitions and within the first few years of millennials by other definitions.
I prefer the sound of the name Gen X more but I identify almost exclusively with millennials to be honest.
Tarc
(10,601 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)I find millennials uninterested in discussion blogs like DU.
I’m at the Board of a High School. Every year I ask the students how they communicate with each other. None of them talk about long form discussion blogs.
Social media has evolved new formats to meet the preferences of a younger audience. The DU format is largely vestigial at this point.
W_HAMILTON
(10,331 posts)And Millennials most certainly do participate in blogs/message boards since that was the main form of communication on the internet as we were growing up.
Gen Z are the ones you are referring to and they are the ones that have abandoned this sort of medium in favor of TikTok and the like.
JonAndKatePlusABird
(368 posts)FWIW, I can think of at least 8 people around my age that have zero interest in TikTok.
It’s only those in my age cohort as well with this sentiment, those both younger and older seem to have no issue with TikTok.
seaglass
(8,185 posts)to do with DU as a site, just not their style.
ShazzieB
(22,568 posts)She's the most liberal person I know, always votes for Democrats ("registering" for a political party isn't a thing in this state, but she'd register Democratic if it was). I've brought up DU a number of times, but like your kids, it's just not your style, just not something she's drawn to. Different strokes and all that.
JI7
(93,586 posts)they have other things they prefer.
Celerity
(54,365 posts)subjects. I have pushed back on it for the 5 years I have been on DU. I Some if it was simply blatant trashing of us (I say us as I am now 26yo, a 'last 3 months of the Millennial birth years' born Zillennial cusper). I have had many in my age cohort (18-32) who I introduced DU to refuse to stay and contribute here due to it. It often came from Boomers, but certainly was not limited to them.
Ironically I now see the younger (mostly 2001/2002 and later born) Gen Zers acting like the worst of the Boomers (in terms of attacking Millennials, especially the older Millennials) on other, non DU (of course) social media sites, especially TikTok, Snapchat, and Reddit, etc. This all really kicked off in the past 5 years or so. The Reddit 'gens' forums can just be a true cesspool of this shit.
To go full 'age horseshoe theory' on it, I have, at times, even seen Boomers play tagalong to the ratpacking Gen Zers when they play Millennial kickabout. In fact, some Boomers have been exposed as cosplaying/catfishing as Gen Zers just to have a crack. Saw that multiple times on Reddit especially.
betsuni
(29,059 posts)busy with actual life! These forums seem like the equivalent of snail mail in a way.
But now here I am with pretty much unlimited free time. I baked a prune cake today.
pstokely
(10,890 posts)JonAndKatePlusABird
(368 posts)35yo, born in 1988.
AKwannabe
(6,890 posts)You skipped us.
Boomers had gen xers
ShazzieB
(22,568 posts)That wasn't the original plan, but it took me a long longer than usual to get pregnant. I was 35 when I finally became a mom.
If things had gone according to plan, I would have had a couple of late GenXers.
mnhtnbb
(33,339 posts)Waited to have kids until in my mid-late 30's.
The oldest didn't want to go to college. Moved out after graduating high school and got a job working for a computer sales/repair shop. He is now a senior software engineer for an international company. He and his partner own a townhouse together. They both vote Democratic.
The youngest was awarded his doctorate--DFA--from Yale a year ago. When he originally entered grad school at the Yale School of Drama he intended to prepare to teach theatre at the university level. COVID blew up that plan. Last fall he started a podcast titled The Art of Crime, which is doing extremely well, but doesn't yet generate much income. Although he doesn't have any college loan debt--thanks to an undergrad education at UNC Chapel Hill, with scholarships, and excellent financial support at Yale-- along with parents who could contribute to living expenses, his partner does still have significant college debt, even though he is a tenured associate professor at UNC. They rent a house and are doubtful they'll be able to ever purchase one, unless I help with a down payment rather than waiting for an inheritance from me when I die.They both vote Democratic.
yardwork
(69,352 posts)I'm a boomer with millennial and zoomer kids.
Amishman
(5,928 posts)They have been called narcissistic and lazy. They have also been called creative, tech-savvy and involved. They job hop. They insist on work life balance.
I can see the basis for this. I have realized that the best way to get a raise is to change employers. There is no sense in going above and beyond in today's corporate world, it just means more work and some empty praise. I do what it takes to meet expectations, in as little time as possible, so that I have time for things that actually matter to me. My job is not my life, my identity, or something that gives me enjoyment; it is a necessary evil that pays for the things that give me enjoyment. This seems to be a common outlook with my friends and coworkers.
Many are more entrepreneurial than interested in the corporate world. They are more educated, especially the women... and the uneducated are struggling to find jobs.
Many of my friends have side businesses, as this gives flexibility and actually rewards hard work / initiative.
The data shows that they are liberal on most social issues, but still leaning conservatively on other issues, including guns. Many are Independents and hard for the parties to woo.
This also leans true; and I think a lot of it stems in a deep seated distrust of most institutions - corporate and government. I would say my generation is acutely aware of the fact that almost no one is going to look out for our interests other than ourselves.
I read that millennials supposedly have a less individualistic and more collective (greater good) outlook - but I sure don't see it. I see individualism, cynicism, and pessimism as common attributes.
ProfessorGAC
(76,667 posts)You & I, very different in age, had VERY similar outlooks on work/life.
Since I was in my early 20s, my philosophy was I work to live, not live to work.
Might be why I never made VP, but that's OK. Most people who did weren't able to play 80 somethings gigs in a band each year.
I'm mid-boomer, but we very much share that opinion about job vs. life.
DFW
(60,168 posts)That would have driven me bonkers decades ago.
I’d hate to have a job I thought was an “evil,” necessary or otherwise. When I was recruited for my job, back in 1975, I had a few ideas that built in some travel to see my (then-) girlfriend in Germany. They said, “hey, if you can make that work, go for it.” So, I made my job up as I went along, and they’re still cool with it, as am I. We were about twelve barely twenty-somethings when I started. We are now 600 people with offices worldwide, so I guess we must be part of the “corporate” world by now. We rotate who gets to go on occasional trips from the Dallas HQ to the offices in Hong Kong and Europe to give a max number of employees the chance to make trips they can’t easily afford on their own. If times get lean, which they occasionally do, all the top earners reduce their salaries by 50% for the mid-range people, or $1 a month for the top people, so we don’t have to lay anyone off. It has worked so far. We basically remember what it was like to be a company of 12 twenty-somethings who like to chill out as well as work.
So, where there must be lots of places out there where the work is evil, I’m telling you it’s not universal, and some people actually like what they do. I was 23 when I was recruited. In two years, I’ll have been working for the same CEO for fifty years. I meet family and friends for lunch sometimes while on the job—in Barcelona, Zürich, Washington, Brussels, etc. With California Peggy, last time, it was Paris. If that’s evil, I guess we just define the term differently.
GenThePerservering
(3,348 posts)but I relate less and less to my generation and more and more to younger generations. Maybe it's because I don't think Boomers are any better than anybody else, just as I find calling the previous generation "The Greatest Generation" ridiculous. Also, I didn't stay at one job and was in the gig economy before it was called a 'gig economy' - my profession became very unstable in the late 90s and I've been struggling to stay employed since then - I totally understand the struggle younger people are having with employment because I share it, whether I like it or not.
More and more I feel like boomers are closer to my parents and not my contemporaries. Mostly I'm appalled at how out of touch even progressive boomers are. I have to explain things to my slightly older contmporaries that anyone who stays in touch should really know, and they're intelligent, progressive people. I'm not sure what's going on.
Some of the saddest discussions I've seen on this forum is those where clueless boomers rank on younger generations, particularly the school loans relief one - my gawd, it's no wonder I can't relate to 'boomers' despite being one.
ShazzieB
(22,568 posts)I was SO excited for my daughter when that news came through, but I didn't feel like I could celebrate here at DU when I saw all the negative comments. I still don't understand why some people reacted so negatively. We're Democrats; i thought we were supposed to be happy when somebody catches a break.
Raftergirl
(1,855 posts)gets relief. I know several people whose kids got relief from their graduate school loans. Don’t know any who have gotten relief from undergrad because most people I know are too old to have kids in, or just graduated from college.
It makes me so mad when I hear people talk badly about the student loan relief program.
Raftergirl
(1,855 posts)He is on his 3rd company since graduating college in 2015, but each move was a step or two up from previous company. He is at a cybersecurity tech software company now, but in management not engineering. He earns around $200k a year, plus gets quarterly bonuses, stock and end of the year bonus. His company found and recruited him. Their initial offer wasn’t enough, in his opinion, so he asked for more and got it.
He is extremely motivated and a very hard worker. He has already gotten two promotions with the company he is with now and he’s been there less than 2 years. He can work from home or in the office and normally goes in a several days of the week. He likes going in. End of quarters and end of year are very busy and he puts in very long hours during those times. His goal is to eventually become a CEO of a corporation. He majored in Politics and minored in History at a liberal arts college (one of those colleges that offer majors that people believe graduates of can only get jobs at Starbucks.)
He is also financially savvy. Has accumulated quite a bit in retirement and other non retirement investments. He owns two homes already - a townhouse outside Boston and a condo in Boston. Condo had to be owner occupied for a year to get the tax break and so now will become a rental in August.
It’s very near BU so he won’t have a problem renting it. Should be able to get between $2500-$3000/month for it. It’s a one bedroom.
He is liberal, and has voted straight D since he’s been eligible to vote. Ditto for his gf. She has also had several jobs, each which was a step up and just got a masters, while working full time. They live together (are domestic partners) and together their income puts them solidly into the upper class. She is 28.
They hate guns and the gun culture and are big supporters of the new mayor of Boston. They both love Joe, too.
Celerity
(54,365 posts)
yardwork
(69,352 posts)Good work, mom! You instilled some wonderful values in your son.
Raftergirl
(1,855 posts)We had are ups and down, especially the middle school years where he stared out the window for 3 years. Nothing we tried seemed to work for more than a few weeks at a time. Public school just wasn’t working for him so we put him in private for high school. They don’t let you stare out the window or not do your work!
I don’t think he would have been as successful if we had kept him in public school - even though we live in the top district in my area. He, for sure, would never have gotten into the college he went to.
I honestly don’t know if the lightbulb would have ever gone on if we didn’t switch schools. There was an immediate change in his attitude and work ethic when he started private high school.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Raftergirl
(1,855 posts)He’s not on any discussion type boards at all. Not on Facebook or Twitter, oeither. He really doesn’t have time to waste on any message board.
OTOH, He is quite well informed. When we are together we always discuss the issues of our times. And he has voted in every election since becoming eligible to vote.
In his spare time he goes to the gym, or out for a run. And weekends are spent with friends and running errands. And he and his gf make a weeks worth of meals on Sundays so they have a decent dinner every night. And he watches F1.
sakabatou
(46,131 posts)
ecstatic
(35,074 posts)I don't like to use broad brushes but in my opinion, it's true that they are entrepreneurial and narcissistic. It is really hard to change their minds and they're easily influenced by whatever they see on social media. They are kind of conservative with regard to economics. They're gun owners but not against reform.
I spent two weeks on vacation with my sister recently and she said some alarming things. She's not into politics. After the latest indictment, she said that Democrats were unfairly picking on trump. I asked, why? Because trump says so? She just laughed. I think she likes the drama that he brings and because she's apolitical, she doesn't understand that it's not a game. I told her it's not only about trump individually, the people he rolls with are dangerous: MTG and other white supremacists. A vote for trump is a vote for them too. They could turn back the clock on us in a heartbeat. They've already turned the clock back on women. She doesn't want to have any more kids, but I keep telling her that she will be forced to, thanks to trump. Magats are attacking trans and gay people. My nephew (her son) is a gay teen.
Meanwhile, my brother said he was done with Democrats about a year or so ago. He blames Democrats for the change in reporting income on zelle, cashapp, etc. I've given him some space to process and calm down but I'll be pressuring him more and more as the elections come nearer. I think I'm going to make some posters to better illustrate my points - a chart which shows what a vote for each candidate would also be a vote for.