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Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 10:12 PM Jun 2023

Trump will plea out of all of his indictments.

He's facing an overwhelming amount of evidence against him across four different indictments. He will negotiate for and get a blanket plea bargain where he'll plead guilty and in return for not doing any jail time:

1. Immediately end his campaign for the presidency
2. Never run for any public office again.
3. Refrain from making any public speeches or rallies.
4. Pay a huge fine for all of his crimes.
5. Be on probation for 5 years
6. Issue a public apology for his crimes.

Violate any of the above and he will go to jail.

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Trump will plea out of all of his indictments. (Original Post) Yavin4 Jun 2023 OP
He could never comply with No. 3 or No. 6 so no deal Lettuce Be Jun 2023 #1
Agree NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #21
He won't plead. He doesn't think that way. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #2
We're talking stolen nuclear secrets. C_U_L8R Jun 2023 #3
7. Prohibited from using social media either directly or through surrogates. TexasTowelie Jun 2023 #4
Doubt it. They made a mistake by not taking Nixon down. LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #5
Trump has never apologized for anything in his life Blaukraut Jun 2023 #6
Right? Cosmocat Jun 2023 #25
Correct, the list above is bull. The Con's pride and petulence will never allow it. onetexan Jun 2023 #39
Nope H2O Man Jun 2023 #7
Lol uppityperson Jun 2023 #8
Rachel, is that you? gab13by13 Jun 2023 #9
I think the chance that he admits to anything is exactly zero. TwilightZone Jun 2023 #10
He's not gonna pay and will never issue a public apology. live love laugh Jun 2023 #11
I don't think that that is the way the law works. Probation and fines, sure, Chainfire Jun 2023 #12
He does not want to go to jail. Yavin4 Jun 2023 #14
You're inthewind21 Jun 2023 #51
It does feel eventual, huh? Johonny Jun 2023 #13
He cannot beat these charges. Yavin4 Jun 2023 #15
I don't see how he beats them malaise Jun 2023 #43
Not gonna happen stumpysbear Jun 2023 #16
No he will not. Totally contrary to his personality and his history. emulatorloo Jun 2023 #17
Correct Cosmocat Jun 2023 #27
No freaking way CanonRay Jun 2023 #18
He will not keep any of those. Especially number 6. It's not in him. debm55 Jun 2023 #19
No way in hell is this going to happen. hamsterjill Jun 2023 #20
Correct Cosmocat Jun 2023 #28
So will DOJ demand that NY and Georgia drop their prosecutions? gab13by13 Jun 2023 #22
It will be a joint plea deal. Yavin4 Jun 2023 #23
Never seen Trump before? jcgoldie Jun 2023 #24
I saw him settle the Trump University suit for $25 million tinrobot Jun 2023 #31
that deal did not involve him stfu jcgoldie Jun 2023 #37
he writes checks to get out of things. His ego will not allow him to complete the OP list. ZonkerHarris Jun 2023 #38
only plea deal he will accept lapfog_1 Jun 2023 #26
His goal will be to destroy the United States. roamer65 Jun 2023 #29
Not likely Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #30
It will be a blanket plea deal for all criminal indictments. Yavin4 Jun 2023 #32
Courts don't work that way. Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #35
State AGs and the DOJ often work together on blanket plea deals. Yavin4 Jun 2023 #36
The big tobacco (and Sackler family opioid case) were civil, not criminal Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #46
You really believe that? Zero chance of it happening. W_HAMILTON Jun 2023 #33
It's either plea or go to jail. Yavin4 Jun 2023 #34
Maybe, but zero chance the plea involves anything political. W_HAMILTON Jun 2023 #44
Not running for office will be spun as a way to protect the nation. Yavin4 Jun 2023 #45
Remember, this is a guy who lost money on casinos and went bankrupt Fiendish Thingy Jun 2023 #48
"Loose" Cannon N.I.4.N.I.2023 Jun 2023 #40
I know Jack Smith has a plan. marble falls Jun 2023 #42
I have a feeling her ruling won't be the be-all-end-all in this case.... Blue Owl Jun 2023 #49
Nope. He's incapable of admitting or taking blame for his own behavior. Plus, he is convinced hlthe2b Jun 2023 #41
3 seems unreasonable. Renew Deal Jun 2023 #47
Huh inthewind21 Jun 2023 #50

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
21. Agree
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 11:14 PM
Jun 2023

He can’t keep his mouth shut and he’d never admit a mistake. The guy doesn’t know how to say “I was wrong”.

TexasTowelie

(127,921 posts)
4. 7. Prohibited from using social media either directly or through surrogates.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 10:16 PM
Jun 2023

Without that condition, no deal.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
5. Doubt it. They made a mistake by not taking Nixon down.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 10:18 PM
Jun 2023

DOJ need to send a message to any future potential presidents.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
10. I think the chance that he admits to anything is exactly zero.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 10:22 PM
Jun 2023

I'm sure his attorneys will advise him of the possibility of a plea, but he's never listened to the advice of his attorneys before, and I don't think he'll start now.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
12. I don't think that that is the way the law works. Probation and fines, sure,
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 10:32 PM
Jun 2023

but I don't think that you will find the necessary statutes to insist on the other provisions.

Trump will never plea out as that would be admitting guilt. He would rather be a martyr in a cell then to admit wrongdoing. To admit that he wasn't perfect would destroy his brand and his self-image. Personally I am holding out hope for a strong sedition case coming out of Washington that could take his freedom and his ability to ever hold an office of any kind. That is what justice would look like.

Johonny

(26,440 posts)
13. It does feel eventual, huh?
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 10:36 PM
Jun 2023

But right now he's going a hail Mary to play in running for president.

Now if he loses the primary or loses in NY . . .

malaise

(297,340 posts)
43. I don't see how he beats them
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 08:57 AM
Jun 2023

But I’m not sure how this ends - maybe he’ll croak

hamsterjill

(17,709 posts)
20. No way in hell is this going to happen.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 11:13 PM
Jun 2023

He’s going to spend every waking moment trying to figure out who he can bribe/force/coerce/entice, etc. to make a buck off of this. His ego is too big for him to even consider the possibility that he might be convicted.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
23. It will be a joint plea deal.
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 11:22 PM
Jun 2023

which will include NY and GA. He will admit guilt in both states and pay a huge fine. But no jail time.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
24. Never seen Trump before?
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 11:33 PM
Jun 2023

No way he does any of that. The game is always more important than the results for him. The logical thing has nothing to do with his decisions, only what gets him more publicity.

tinrobot

(12,100 posts)
31. I saw him settle the Trump University suit for $25 million
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 12:00 AM
Jun 2023

So, he's moved in that direction before.

I think, if it keeps him out of prison, he'll try to cut a deal.

jcgoldie

(12,046 posts)
37. that deal did not involve him stfu
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 12:32 AM
Jun 2023

Trump is fake and a narcissist. The end of Trump is when he shuts up.

 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
38. he writes checks to get out of things. His ego will not allow him to complete the OP list.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 12:57 AM
Jun 2023

he is incapable of doing it both mentally and physically

lapfog_1

(31,951 posts)
26. only plea deal he will accept
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 11:42 PM
Jun 2023

is possibly to pay a fine.

That is his MO in court cases to date.

He will claim that he didn't pay a fine, and he cannot stop running for president. If he should become president again, he can pardon himself and get of our jail free.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,706 posts)
30. Not likely
Tue Jun 13, 2023, 11:58 PM
Jun 2023

Even if Rachel thinks his lawyers might make a proffer like the one you described.

Such a deal is untenable because of numerous other pending state and federal charges. If he copped a plea with DOJ, he could still go to prison for NY or GA charges, so why bother?

Do you really think Smith would abandon his J6 prosecution if Trump took a plea deal on the docs case?

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
32. It will be a blanket plea deal for all criminal indictments.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 12:10 AM
Jun 2023

He's going to lose them all. His attorneys know this.

His only other options are:

1. Win the presidency (or another Republican wins the presidency) and pardon himself.

2. Go to jail.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,706 posts)
35. Courts don't work that way.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 12:18 AM
Jun 2023

DOJ can’t force the state prosecutors to accept a plea deal, and vice versa.

Trump’s narcissism won’t allow him to plead out.

He will do what he’s always done - deny, delay, and disrupt.

The only scenario where he would attempt a plea deal is, if he loses the 2024 election, then he might plead to any charges he hasn’t yet been convicted of for a reduced sentence. But at that point, it might be too late for proffers, at least for DOJ. And that’s only if he can’t stay out of prison pending appeal.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
36. State AGs and the DOJ often work together on blanket plea deals.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 12:25 AM
Jun 2023

Big Tobacco made a similar kind of deal. The benefit to everyone is a guilty plea without a trial and ending his political career.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,706 posts)
46. The big tobacco (and Sackler family opioid case) were civil, not criminal
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 10:05 AM
Jun 2023

Big difference.

No way Trump takes a plea deal on docs, sedition and at least two state cases combined.

It’s just not going to happen the way you described it.

Separate plea bargains for charges remaining after he loses in 2024 are a slim possibility, less likely than a pardon from a Republican president. I can see Trump cutting a deal with DeSantis for a Pardon if he drops out of the race before he would cut a deal with Smith.

I can’t see all of these prosecutors agreeing to absolutely no prison time, especially DOJ if it’s still under Democratic control.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
34. It's either plea or go to jail.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 12:18 AM
Jun 2023

There's no way that he can win all of these cases.

W_HAMILTON

(10,406 posts)
44. Maybe, but zero chance the plea involves anything political.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 09:51 AM
Jun 2023

You think after Garland has bent over backwards to appear not political -- resulting in very political decisions, I would say -- you think he is going to sign off on a plea deal where Trump agrees not to run for office?

Highly unlikely that would happen and highly unlikely Trump would ever agree to such a plea deal anyway.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
45. Not running for office will be spun as a way to protect the nation.
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 09:54 AM
Jun 2023

He will have to issue an apology and admit that his behavior was reckless.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,706 posts)
48. Remember, this is a guy who lost money on casinos and went bankrupt
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 10:08 AM
Jun 2023

He’s going to put all his chips in and go for broke.

You’re right, he can’t beat all of these current and pending charges, which means he is going to spend some time in prison unless he dies first or all the judges allow him to remain free pending appeal.

He’d rather gamble on that outcome than publicly admit guilt.

N.I.4.N.I.2023

(27 posts)
40. "Loose" Cannon
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 01:28 AM
Jun 2023

Judge "Loose" Cannon presiding over this case troubles me. Has she learned anything from her initial fiasco?

Blue Owl

(59,440 posts)
49. I have a feeling her ruling won't be the be-all-end-all in this case....
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 12:25 PM
Jun 2023

Call it a hunch...

hlthe2b

(114,365 posts)
41. Nope. He's incapable of admitting or taking blame for his own behavior. Plus, he is convinced
Wed Jun 14, 2023, 06:02 AM
Jun 2023

his return to the Presidency will make this all go away. So, he's going to use this to destroy his supporter's faith in the judiciary, and our systems of government, and do irreparable harm that will hand him back the Presidency--which he will turn into a fascist autocracy. He already believes he is unbeholden to any restrictions.

Fani Willis simply must go ahead with her charges, because while I think a jury will convict Trump on these current charges, I believe Judge (Loose) Cannon will give a directed verdict regardless and declare him not guilty OR will simply sentence him to essentially nothing in terms of a sentence.

But no, I do not believe he can be convinced, especially now that Cannon is on the case, that he is at risk and to agree to a plea deal. It was reported he had a broad smile when the magistrate referred at the very end yesterday that he'd be turning all else over to the trial judge, Judge Cannon.

And, unless she is more stupid than I imagine, she will skirt most INITIAL outrageous opinions that could give grounds for DOJ to go to the 11th circuit to request her removal, so my guess is that we are stuck with her.

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