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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump will plea out of all of his indictments.
He's facing an overwhelming amount of evidence against him across four different indictments. He will negotiate for and get a blanket plea bargain where he'll plead guilty and in return for not doing any jail time:
1. Immediately end his campaign for the presidency
2. Never run for any public office again.
3. Refrain from making any public speeches or rallies.
4. Pay a huge fine for all of his crimes.
5. Be on probation for 5 years
6. Issue a public apology for his crimes.
Violate any of the above and he will go to jail.
Lettuce Be
(2,356 posts)Just my thoughts
NowISeetheLight
(4,002 posts)He cant keep his mouth shut and hed never admit a mistake. The guy doesnt know how to say I was wrong.
Ocelot II
(131,018 posts)C_U_L8R
(49,479 posts)He should be in prison.
TexasTowelie
(127,921 posts)Without that condition, no deal.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)DOJ need to send a message to any future potential presidents.
Blaukraut
(6,001 posts)So he isn't about to start now.
Cosmocat
(15,456 posts)Nm
onetexan
(13,913 posts)uppityperson
(116,023 posts)gab13by13
(32,580 posts)This is way different than Spiro Agnew.
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)I'm sure his attorneys will advise him of the possibility of a plea, but he's never listened to the advice of his attorneys before, and I don't think he'll start now.
live love laugh
(16,450 posts)Chainfire
(17,757 posts)but I don't think that you will find the necessary statutes to insist on the other provisions.
Trump will never plea out as that would be admitting guilt. He would rather be a martyr in a cell then to admit wrongdoing. To admit that he wasn't perfect would destroy his brand and his self-image. Personally I am holding out hope for a strong sedition case coming out of Washington that could take his freedom and his ability to ever hold an office of any kind. That is what justice would look like.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)He will plea out.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Assuming he is offered a plea.
Johonny
(26,440 posts)But right now he's going a hail Mary to play in running for president.
Now if he loses the primary or loses in NY . . .
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)And he won't ever go to jail.
malaise
(297,340 posts)But Im not sure how this ends - maybe hell croak
stumpysbear
(285 posts)Trump is mentally ill
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)Cosmocat
(15,456 posts)The next time he takes any accountability for his actions will be the first.
CanonRay
(16,222 posts)His ego wont allow it.
debm55
(61,248 posts)hamsterjill
(17,709 posts)Hes going to spend every waking moment trying to figure out who he can bribe/force/coerce/entice, etc. to make a buck off of this. His ego is too big for him to even consider the possibility that he might be convicted.
Cosmocat
(15,456 posts)Nm
gab13by13
(32,580 posts)Yavin4
(37,182 posts)which will include NY and GA. He will admit guilt in both states and pay a huge fine. But no jail time.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)No way he does any of that. The game is always more important than the results for him. The logical thing has nothing to do with his decisions, only what gets him more publicity.
tinrobot
(12,100 posts)So, he's moved in that direction before.
I think, if it keeps him out of prison, he'll try to cut a deal.
jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Trump is fake and a narcissist. The end of Trump is when he shuts up.
ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)he is incapable of doing it both mentally and physically
lapfog_1
(31,951 posts)is possibly to pay a fine.
That is his MO in court cases to date.
He will claim that he didn't pay a fine, and he cannot stop running for president. If he should become president again, he can pardon himself and get of our jail free.
roamer65
(37,965 posts)The Orange Anus is that vindictive.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,706 posts)Even if Rachel thinks his lawyers might make a proffer like the one you described.
Such a deal is untenable because of numerous other pending state and federal charges. If he copped a plea with DOJ, he could still go to prison for NY or GA charges, so why bother?
Do you really think Smith would abandon his J6 prosecution if Trump took a plea deal on the docs case?
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)He's going to lose them all. His attorneys know this.
His only other options are:
1. Win the presidency (or another Republican wins the presidency) and pardon himself.
2. Go to jail.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,706 posts)DOJ cant force the state prosecutors to accept a plea deal, and vice versa.
Trumps narcissism wont allow him to plead out.
He will do what hes always done - deny, delay, and disrupt.
The only scenario where he would attempt a plea deal is, if he loses the 2024 election, then he might plead to any charges he hasnt yet been convicted of for a reduced sentence. But at that point, it might be too late for proffers, at least for DOJ. And thats only if he cant stay out of prison pending appeal.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)Big Tobacco made a similar kind of deal. The benefit to everyone is a guilty plea without a trial and ending his political career.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,706 posts)Big difference.
No way Trump takes a plea deal on docs, sedition and at least two state cases combined.
Its just not going to happen the way you described it.
Separate plea bargains for charges remaining after he loses in 2024 are a slim possibility, less likely than a pardon from a Republican president. I can see Trump cutting a deal with DeSantis for a Pardon if he drops out of the race before he would cut a deal with Smith.
I cant see all of these prosecutors agreeing to absolutely no prison time, especially DOJ if its still under Democratic control.
W_HAMILTON
(10,406 posts)Yavin4
(37,182 posts)There's no way that he can win all of these cases.
W_HAMILTON
(10,406 posts)You think after Garland has bent over backwards to appear not political -- resulting in very political decisions, I would say -- you think he is going to sign off on a plea deal where Trump agrees not to run for office?
Highly unlikely that would happen and highly unlikely Trump would ever agree to such a plea deal anyway.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)He will have to issue an apology and admit that his behavior was reckless.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,706 posts)Hes going to put all his chips in and go for broke.
Youre right, he cant beat all of these current and pending charges, which means he is going to spend some time in prison unless he dies first or all the judges allow him to remain free pending appeal.
Hed rather gamble on that outcome than publicly admit guilt.
N.I.4.N.I.2023
(27 posts)Judge "Loose" Cannon presiding over this case troubles me. Has she learned anything from her initial fiasco?
marble falls
(72,404 posts)Blue Owl
(59,440 posts)Call it a hunch...
hlthe2b
(114,365 posts)his return to the Presidency will make this all go away. So, he's going to use this to destroy his supporter's faith in the judiciary, and our systems of government, and do irreparable harm that will hand him back the Presidency--which he will turn into a fascist autocracy. He already believes he is unbeholden to any restrictions.
Fani Willis simply must go ahead with her charges, because while I think a jury will convict Trump on these current charges, I believe Judge (Loose) Cannon will give a directed verdict regardless and declare him not guilty OR will simply sentence him to essentially nothing in terms of a sentence.
But no, I do not believe he can be convinced, especially now that Cannon is on the case, that he is at risk and to agree to a plea deal. It was reported he had a broad smile when the magistrate referred at the very end yesterday that he'd be turning all else over to the trial judge, Judge Cannon.
And, unless she is more stupid than I imagine, she will skirt most INITIAL outrageous opinions that could give grounds for DOJ to go to the 11th circuit to request her removal, so my guess is that we are stuck with her.
Renew Deal
(85,291 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)So now defendants are the ones who decide they get plea deals? Fascinating.