Based on the comments on Stephanie Ruhle's show, because of the presiding trial judge, and the

[JohnSJ]

delays the prosecution will invariably do, there most likely have one delay after the other until after the 2024 election, leaves me pretty convinced there will be no trial on this until after the election.

Hence forth at every opportunity Democrats must call out trump and his congressional supporters as endangering the security of the United States, and not qualified to hold a position in the government

The only other realistic opportunity to nail trump before the election will be the case against trump in Georgia

I would be very surprised if they were able to bring the January 6th case against him up before the 2024 election. I don’t think the DOJ will allow that to happen, even though because of Comey, they had no problem with the FBI doing it to Hillary

[Sneederbunk]

1. Not surprising since next court date not set today.

[JohnSJ]

2. I don't think we should be optimistic of it happening soon, and why it is imperative that Democrats

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stand united on the talking point that trump committed illegal acts, and repeat it at every opportunity at a minimum to counter the republican talking point that “trump did nothing wrong”

They must not wait for a jury trial that most likely will not happen

[SCantiGOP]

3. They couldn't set it today I believe

Next stop is Judge Cannon and she will address the schedule.

[Silent Type]

4. Saw that too, and can't really disagree. The next 1.5 years will be wild.

[JohnSJ]

6. I hope Democrats take a proactive strategy, and call out trump as committing illegal activities,

and those Congressional republicans defending trump, supporting those illegal activities.

[Silent Type]

8. +1. Believe trump won't be nominee, but we have to prepare to beat him

at the polls, the ultimate court. And, we have to be prepared to beat another GOPer candidate because they will be forced to appease the trumpsters.

[JohnSJ]

10. The problem is the republican primary system is essentially all or nothing, and with so many

primary candidates in the race they will take votes away from each other, and trump can win the primary with 30% of the vote.

[allegorical oracle]

16. Agree. What concerns me is if Charles Koch funding backs DeSatan, it will boil down to a

primary between two horrible choices. In either case, the Dem voter turnout for the general election likely will be the most critical of our lifetimes.

[JohnSJ]

17. Yes, it will be critical, and genZ and the millineals will be critical

[emulatorloo]

5. I kinda think J6 Grand Jury will be done soon. Just based on the fact that they have Pence's

testimony. I suppose they may be trying to flip a proud boy and/or an oath keeper though.

I also remain cautiously optimistic that the documents case won’t take as long as you do. But I didn’t see Ruhle’s show.

[JohnSJ]

7. The judge has a lot of power starting with allowing the defense to present the case on issues such

as prosecution misconduct to attorney client privilege challenges before the judge even gets to scheduling, and then trump will delay by saying he needs to find new attorneys etc. and all that takes time.

I wish I could feel as optimistic as you on the documents case.

As for the January 6th case, even if the grand jury indicts, I don't know if the DOJ will start a prosecution with trump as a candidate with an upcoming election.

[emulatorloo]

22. Higher courts have already ruled on the crime fraud exception, right? How does Cannon ignore that?

She’ll probably get spanked by the eleventh circuit again.

Isn’t the election still a year and a half away? Or is my math wrong?

[JohnSJ]

23. She will delay her rulings, that is how it will be done, and that way it won't get to the 11th

district court

[emulatorloo]

25. Thanks for the explanation.

[JohnSJ]

26. That is just my speculation from listening to the talking heads. ObvI hope it isn't so

[agingdem]

9. yes, but don't forget the DC January 6 grand jury ..

no Aileen Cannon...

[JohnSJ]

11. Will the DOJ proceed with that if it will run into the 2024 election? What is their standard?

[agingdem]

12. I think they have to because of the 2024 election..

we need a reckoning..Trump has to answer for January 6 before we can go through another election season...and until that sonofabitch is held accountable we as a country cannot heal..

[JohnSJ]

18. The fact that there has already been a significant delay on trump's involvement in the insurrection,

does not make me optimistic on that case.

[meadowlander]

14. Much more complex case though.

[GPV]

13. Maybe it's time to see what happened in NJ?

[dalton99a]

15. Democrats should start attacking the criminal and his GOP defenders.

Don't count on the crazy cultist judge to do the right thing.

She will only do the right thing for Trump.

[mitch96]

20. The Dems have to some how counteract tfg's blatant lies that his base believe.

He has "alternative facts" that MSM helps to spread,
the Dems have the Law that no one hears. A "quiet and reserved" DOJ. I wish the DOJ would at least allow audio of the trial so MSM could repeat it as they always do..
m

[Hortensis]

19. :) Humility. How many times do we have to be proven wrong

to set aside words like "convinced" and "believe"? It's reasonable to "suspect," "fear," "hope," etc., but "here be dragons" also for all who get carried away and spend the next year rending their clothes and tearing their hair while their families wonder how to pry them away from social media.

Over the next year or more the law will guarantee to the defense time to prepare its...defense, including whatever delays are granted as legitimate by the court. And then the trial. The tRump camp will have a fair number of interim victories, inevitably interpreted by many as our defeats. The media will play up everything as of grave import.

And if we were to spend the next 24/7/365 following and memorizing every detail, at no point would we know everything needed to understand, and way too often effectively nothing. Because vital dots of information are missing. Precisely as has been the case for years now.

And since we can't just skip to the end, we'll all get to enjoy, ignore, or suffer, some seriously, according to our individual natures. Our choice.

My own casual prognostication: The trial for these charges will take place well before the election. Mostly ignorant rationale: This seems to be a fairly simple case compared to others.

[JohnSJ]

21. I hope you are right, but I think the Georgia trial will begin before the document one. I would

like to think Trump’s involvement in th insurrection would happen sooner then latter also

[Hortensis]

24. Oh, same here. Looking forward to the insurrection trial.

Prosecution witnesses at that trial reportedly should include just about everyone who worked with him in the WH, including cabinet officials. Trump Republicans from beginning to end.

And since we live in GA now, I'm especially proud of the "lunatic Marxist DA" (GA's lousy with them) who's coming after him over his "perfect phone call."

[JohnSJ]

27. +++