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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFrom a resident of "one of those states" like AL, KS, TX, MS etc.
We know the jokes and jibes probably better than you do. We often poke at our own states as we are aware of the political stance there. We have constant headaches from banging our heads against walls or tables.
We are liberals. Strangers in a strange land. Your last best hope.
On a more serious level without the science fiction, we would appreciate a less broad brush when painting our area as inbreds, el stupidos or whatever the nom du jour for us is at the moment.
We protest, we are active, we canvass and we are here and involved.
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MuseRider
(35,176 posts)most of us have no desire to move from where we live. Some do sure, but I can't tell you how repugnant the thought of moving from my home state with my family history just to live somewhere where most people agree with me is. Sounds like moving from my wonderful farm into a gated community, it is that repugnant to me.
Thank you, NGU.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)In a textbook world, everyone is expected to move to where the jobs are, so forms of "protectionism" are viewed as inefficient.
I majored in economics. We never talked about humanity. And it's a social science!
from a Proud, Tennessee Liberal who doesn't want to live anywhere else.
japple
(10,459 posts)
Edit to add: Welcome to DU, Katy!!
33Greeper
(188 posts)Being a Liberal in Confederate Jeebus Land. I stand with you, as a bright blue dot from Alabama. Please lift us all up. Thanks.
Whovian
(2,866 posts)Things will get better once Roy Moore fucks up again and gets kicked out one more time.
atreides1
(16,799 posts)The man was kicked to the curb once before and now he's been elected to the state Supreme Court...I think perhaps you might be a little more optimistic then what is indicated by the reality of the situation.
As for these petitions, well even if liberals like you don't sign it, there are more then enough conservatives who will!
Before you can lift yourselves up, you'll have to get rid of those that want to keep you down...and seeing as to how you and others like you are outnumbered, that won't be happening for some time.
But good luck...you're all going to need it!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,161 posts)Esp. out here in the red rural part of the state.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)in the northeast is relatively easy. Try being a liberal atheist with a gay sister in Texas 
amuse bouche
(3,672 posts)
--Funny cause it's true. I'm from MA but wound up in Fl because of a son's college scholarship and scary ex.
Let me tell you, when I first saw all those Confederate flags, I was beyond disgusted and appalled. Fortunately there have been a lot fewer of them over the last several years.... and Yay--Fl went Blue. Keep hope alive
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)I think it would be better to try and persuade the few percent we need to gain control than demonize a whole state.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)
tblue
(16,350 posts)We know you're there and we appreciate you. At least that's what I think. Don't worry. We don't blame you.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....about what some DUers would like to see happen to the Deep South.
Here are my responses to posters of that ilk....I'm a liberal, I vote Democratic, I've lived in Alabama for the last 22 years, my wife's family is from this area, and I'm not moving. Period.
Every time I see threads started with those kinds of comments, I immediately place the poster on full ignore. There's nothing they could say in the future that would prove they have the intelligence higher than that of an average houseplant.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)I'm in Texas. I moved from a very blue state after 25 years and love it here. Been here more than two decades. You couldn't pay me to move back. This is my home. My spouse is a Texan. My kids are Texans. We're all Democrats and we all vote.
My 'Ignore' list has grown exponentially since the election.
broiles
(1,455 posts)But I'm a native born American first, as was Molly, LBJ, Jim Hightower, and Ann. Nobody is going to take my American from me. We will fight. I wonder if most of these traitors or not people have moved into the state from elsewhere.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)
When I moved here for graduate school all those years ago, I looked around and thought, "Where has this been all my life?" And I never left.
I love it in Texas and I'm sick to death of having to defend it here, of all places, where people should know better. This has gone on here for years. Yet, somehow, people still wonder why red state residents don't like those in the blue states. There are lots of reasons, but nasty, condescending attitude is right up there on the list.
KCDem
(3,773 posts)I live in Houston (was in KC back when I first joined DU however many years ago Bush the 2nd was appointed), and we have the only lesbian mayor of a large city. We're liberal-ish. We went Obama. We're not nearly as red as some other states. I'm sick and tired of people ignoring us and saying "sure, secede already." Nope, I love this state, flaws and all. My biggest complaint is that the national Dem party all but ignores us. Lampson could have won, as well as Sadler. They need to start funneling $ here, or I'm going to start funneling my outrageous teacher's salary out to Move On endorsed candidates in other states.
angel823
(442 posts)and live in Houston.
I've been around DU for a while (2004). I don't post much, but I appreciate the conversation.
And Texas will not secede if I have anything to say about it.
Angel in Texas
bvar22
(39,909 posts)
Anonymous Liberal Texan standing across the street from Governor Rick Perry's mansion.
Texas Liberals are Sharp Tongued, Outspoken, Fiery, and Courageous.
Love Em.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)So 'funny.' 
Hosnon
(7,800 posts)Perhaps you aren't.
You haven't seen the odious remarks made toward those of us who live in the so-called red states, particularly those of us in the South.
By so-called progressives?
Seriously?
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Let's see where DUers are bashing DUers in 'Red' States.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)US Senator, State house and Senate controlled by the GOP, and 13/18 GOP US House members.
savebigbird
(417 posts)Just keep at it! We'll chip away at the 19th century values and views, a little at a time!
P.S. Allons-y!
KatyaR
(3,639 posts)Although I'd give my right arm for a little blue box to take me away to Liberal Land....
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Even blue-state paragons like New York and California have their share of right-wingerism, bitherism, and racism. Donald Trump and Orly Tates aren't exactly doofus rednecks.
Geographical pride or bashing is the province of the stupid. We're better than that here.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)On the other hand, 3 of the last 4 Democratic Presidents have come from the Old South.
Submariner
(13,365 posts)Massachusetts, and most of the other New England states, except maybe Maine because they let them have a summer home there, had nothing to with it.
No New England broad brush please.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I was thinking of the Maine connection, so I wrote "New England" instead of "Connecticut" 
amuse bouche
(3,672 posts)I adore the Kennedys and John Kerry and had many interactions with them years ago
kentauros
(29,414 posts)if Reagan had never been elected Governor of California. I think it's safe to assume that he wouldn't have been elected President, and Bush Sr. might not have gotten his family any further into politics.
It could have been a win-win-win situation! 
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I think it would, indeed, have been a triple win!
Carolina
(6,960 posts)Governor Rmoney!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Why do you think I have to put up with an idiot like Tom Reed in the House? 
progressoid
(53,179 posts)
GoneOffShore
(18,021 posts)And so true.
Every time I drive out of Philadelphia, I feel the same way as you do.
It's Pennsyltucky at the best of times despite pockets of blue.
Lex
(34,108 posts)Those blue states aren't blue all over.
The county I live in is deeply blue in NC and we are tilting toward blue as a state as the demographics change.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)They aren't talking about the liberals.
Thought that would be obvious, but apparently we have to speak more slowly and use smaller words. 
savebigbird
(417 posts)...we just need space and time to unload and whine about our situations from time to time. It gets INCREDIBLY frustrating to feel you're getting nowhere with the right wingers that literally surround you.
demilib
(100 posts)As much as I am happy about all the gains that liberalism won last week, it is still depressing when not much of it will effect the state I live in (Georgia). It doesn't help when there was a lot of unopposed Republicans on the ballot.
Piasladic
(1,171 posts)This is exactly why people have a problem. You don't have to speak slowly to us or even more loudly. We hear you loud and clear. It's the broad brush, and it's infuriating.
AAO
(3,300 posts)I guess I thought that would be obvious too. I live in a blue state (WI) and we have stupid people here too that voted Rmoney.
But, point taken.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)And all the crap flung around about red states and how awful they are in every way. I'll put the beauty, diversity, and friendliness of Texas up against that of my old blue state any day.
AAO
(3,300 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)The majority of the time, it's 'stupid red state' and that all of the residents are being broad-brushed.
One thing I find interesting on DU, is that a large portion of those that love to lob these broad brushes against the rest of us, can't be bothered to tell us where they live. I noticed that part of your own profile is blank. So, was that slow and specific enough for you? 
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)In fact, I was trying to invite levity to another 'broad brush' attack on DU for supposedly 'broad brushing' red states.
I don't take well to douchebags inferring shit and making things personal.
If that's you, you'll be on ignore shortly.
If it's not, then you'll have something smarter to say in your next response to me.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)and/or "invite levity". However, it simply did not come off that way. Look at the other replies to you for a hint. Now, perhaps you'll think about that aspect next time.
I might also ask if you get the hint that we're tired of being bashed? It's unbecoming of DU, and yet-- And Yet, it continues, akin to Norquist's "poopy head" level of education and maturity.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)All this sanctimonious whining about non-existant 'bashing of DU southerners' is just childish.
Please, grow up.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Please, wake up.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Provide LINKS.
(To the non-existent bashing of southern DUers, Thank you.)
kentauros
(29,414 posts)when you should be able to see this stuff for yourself. But I'll be nice and attempt to open your eyes to this problem on DU.
Also, this could be construed as callouts, and another reason why I'd rather not do this for you:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021808440#post34
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021807991#post19
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021814210
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021753100#post5
(I could probably find more, but as I'm at work, I really don't have the time to do this nice thing for you.)
My educated guess is that you won't see a single one of these as bashing, mostly due to your confusion on the issue. That is, it's not us individuals that are being bashed. It's our home states. Do you understand the difference?
(I'll post this on your poutrage-thread, too.)
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)That was the POINT. That people are claiming that they and their efforts as individuals are being "bashed".
It is a bullshit claim, and you've only helped to cement that point. Yes, the states get bashed because of the morons that control them, NOT because of the Democrats that live there.
Thanks much for your efforts, but the very deliberately divisive claims that DU bashes red state DUers are utter bullshit and you know it.
I won't apologize for defending DU from bullshit attacks that could be the perfect gateway for trolls to sow discord here. Period. I've seen it happen for years, and I've seen trolls come and go, and the fact of the matter is that DU is a haven for all liberals and Democrats and people that believe in an empirical reality.
No, fuck that. No one on DU 'Bashes' our southern brethren without being roundly chastised.
And I'll be the first person in line to do the chastising.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)
kentauros
(29,414 posts)May I ask "who" you were before you lost your old member name?
paleotn
(22,218 posts)...no matter how many syllables your words contain. So don't get me started about the wackadoodles in upstate NY, the bulk of New Hampshire, Bachman's section of Minnehaha, eastern Oregon, Orange County CA, down state IL, etc. etc. etc. Now don't get me wrong, I love your "blue states", I surely do, but for me it's simply a matter of population density. Here in western NC, I can't see our nearest neighbor until the leaves fall. Call me crazy, but I kind of like it that way. And barbeque...decent barbeque doesn't exist outside the old north state!
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Or Paul Ryan, for that matter?
All three are from states that voted for Obama.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Your point?
kag
(4,197 posts)and they are all (except my dad) very lefty liberals. I, myself, live in Colorado, and we libs are hanging on by a thread here. (Though, maybe a few doobies will lighten everyone up a little 
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w8liftinglady
(23,278 posts)legalization of marijuana was on our party platform this year....
al_liberal
(487 posts)Moved from Chicago in '96 for the best job I've ever had thus far. Living in Huntsville, where the Saturn V rockets that took men to the moon were built. But I will never disagree with any stereotypical depiction of this state. These people are the ones that defined the stereotypes about the South.
If something anywhere remotely progressive is happening anywhere in the country, it will come here last, if at all.
Whovian
(2,866 posts)Probably one of the more enlightened areas to live in Alabama.
justice1
(795 posts)The Democrats missed a golden opportunity, to pick up a congressional seat in Nebraska, while ousting Lee Terry. John Ewing,a black man, for those who think everyone is a racist here,running for the first time, finished with 49% of the vote, despite the fact that Terry had about a $2 million war chest, and is one of the longest serving Congressman in Nebraska history, compared to less then $500,000 for Ewing.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)I was here on DU from 2003-2008 until right after the election. Put up with the crap about red states in 2004 and finally had enough in late 2008. Now that I'm back with a new ID (lost the old one), I find the same familiar names, and a whole lot of new ones, making the same familiar 'jokes.' And if we don't find those 'jokes' funny, we have no sense of humor.
Pathetic.
Substitute another group of people in these 'jokes' and let's see how funny they are.
LiberalArkie
(19,807 posts)us. It might have changed some of the state elections. Maybe Arkansas would not have gone solid Republican in our state legislature. It was a close election in some areas. Most of us Red stater's just need a little help. We can't fight all the churches, Wal-Mart and Fox all by ourselves.
Arkansas has its first Republican legislature since reconstruction.
leftlibdem420
(256 posts)So now your legislature is full of in-breds who make jokes about slavery and immigrants?
n2doc
(47,953 posts)
Every blue county voted at least 70% Democratic Party. Tell me again that the South is the only place we have Wingnuts? Or that by cutting it out/letting it go we get rid of them?
Those of us here in Chatham County, Georgia , proudly voted to return Barack Obama to the White House. We will not allow others to marginalize us.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)counties tend to be blue or purple, whether they're in the North or the South.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)a number of off the deep end Righties in my deep blue state.
Keep fighting. Soon I hope to pop a cold one and enjoy on the election night you help take Georgia blue.
Hayabusa
(2,149 posts)that I can clearly make out Boone county, Missouri on that map. Columbia truly is a liberal oasis in a sea of conservative countryside...
patrice
(47,992 posts)
Care Acutely
(1,370 posts)Planning to move to very northwestern Montana where I can enjoy the company of a few more fellow liberals and some damn scenery before I die.
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)so the ball's in your court.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)And I moved here from a very blue state in the NE. The worst racists and most intolerant people I've ever met in my life still live there and they're multiplying. If you won't move here, then fix that there.
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)and since i'm not in the NE- i'm not the one to talk to about fixing that there.
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Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)BlueMan Votes
(903 posts) bluestate10
(10,942 posts)thought 10 years ago that Florida would become a blue firewall during national elections, or that Virginia would go blue two times in a row or that North Carolina would go blue one during my lifetime and maybe blue a lot more.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)momsrule
(100 posts)mckara
(1,708 posts)
triplepoint
(431 posts)Where will you go if your state secedes? Just asking the hypothetical here...
heaven05
(18,124 posts)whole country is full of ignorant backward, racist people with no clue, except what fox noise tells them to do, as to how to treat their fellow human beings. So rest assured whovian, whoever throws a stone at your house lives in an area with just as many that live in their own glass houses. You know the tossing of stones and living in glass houses thing. 
nightscanner59
(802 posts)Those in such situations, however, are in prime territory to stir thought over emotion. Working as a traveller, I've lived in the reddest, tea-party strongholds to the bluest silicon valley. When I hear the conservative drivvel coming from one of the self-righteous, it sometimes opens the opportunity to ask... (gasp...) a... QUESTION!! about their beliefs. I.E.:
"Them damn abortion doctors should be strung up"...
"So we should kill the baby after it's born like they do in many other parts of the world?"
"Silence..."
(Probably because they just aren't used to someone who doesn't just ditto the emotion)
Some forms of ignorance take care of themselves. My cousin, after having a terrible summer drought and lost all his crops has finally admitted there might be "something to" that global warming stuff even when FOX tells him otherwise...
I wonder how FOX is faring from their election predictions? A little less trustworthy now, are we?
At risk of being called one of those damn lib-rolls, dismissed from one job (very obviously because my views were not "conservative" enough) I've seen a few, if just a few, evolve.
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)
asuhornets
(2,427 posts)I am originally from Alabama moved to Georgia. I luv the South.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)I grew up in Ohio, moved to California when I graduated from Ohio State, and moved to Kentucky 12 years ago. I would never leave. The people are friendly and even though I live in the 'greater Cincinnati area' it flavor is much more 'small town'. (We recently had an issue with our property tax. The previous owners owed the tax, we didn't. Made a call to the assessor's office, they checked their records and told us not to worry. About 6 weeks later we got a personal call from the assessor's office just to let us know that we would be receiving another delinquency notice but to ignore it - a personal call. Try that in California!) Sure, we are surrounded by Republicans, but they are liberals at heart, they just don't know it.
Oh, and just for the record, the Governor of Kentucky (red state) is a Democrat, while the Governor of Ohio (blue state) is a Reputhug.
behrstar
(64 posts)and I prefer the nom du jour "Teabilly F-ckstick"
TomClash
(11,344 posts)A fair criticism.
No one should be "grouped." You're one of us, on our side, regardless of residence.
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)As a Native Texan in the Bluest area of the country, I am oft exposed to eye-rolls and sighs when asked where my accent comes from.
mbfromnm
(5 posts)I am white and have done race work for 20 years across the country. The best work we ever do on race takes place in the South (I live in the Northeast). It is my experience that the hardest place to get whites to do good race work (speaking statistically; this does not mean every individual white person) is in the Northeast or in California.
I remember that Alexis de Tocqueville noted in his 1837 book Democracy in America, that "antipathy toward blacks is strongest in those states that have never experienced slavery."
The Black codes that denied free blacks the right to serve on juries, testify in court or hold office began in Ohio and spread across the mid-west into the west beginning in 1820.
James Loewen's book Sundown Towns documents how prevalent these were in the north, west and mid-west.
Since all of us, both white and of color, get the same messages about race, prejudice is everywhere. In the north, whites still move whenever the proportion of blacks gets close to 10%.
In the south, folks acknowledge that we have a problem. In the north the denial (and I live in a college town) is pretty ubiquitous.
NMDemDist2
(49,314 posts)and poor blue NM is caught in the cross winds
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Texas "blows"
InsultComicDog
(1,209 posts)Having been in many of these states, and knowing people from many more of them, some of the finest people and most solid liberals I have ever known came from places like Mississippi and Utah.
lupinella
(365 posts)Floridian here - I know how screwed up my state is, so don't need a reminder!
Having toured many states, from crimson to Tardis blue, I used to be surprised at the racist conservatives from the good liberal states. Now I realize that hatred lives everywhere, and we must work against it wherever we are.
HCE SuiGeneris
(14,997 posts)Stay strong. Don't let the detractors cause you concern.
We are all vital in the struggle against the tyranny that opposes us. TY for your efforts in the adverse environment in which you dwell.
jillan
(39,451 posts)lose.
It would be easy to get discouraged - please hold us up, instead of tear us down.
I think I am the only one that is not happy about the election results. Yes, THRILLED that our President won in a landslide, but sick to my stomach that Richard Carmona lost the Senate seat (we think) and that Joe Arpaio won yet another term.
It's hard to be a liberal when your home is a red state.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)what people are saying about the south is true. A lot of southerners are now talking about seceding. I think they deserve every bit of scorn they're receiving. I don't consider myself a part of it.
Whovian
(2,866 posts)Rurality and lack of education seems to play major roles in RW strongholds.
dem in texas
(2,681 posts)Yes, I find it very hard to take when people make fun of Texans. Granted, we have plenty of people here in the Lone Star State who deserve to be laughed at; Rick Perry and Louis Gommert just to name two. But there are strongholds of liberals in Texas. The larger cities, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, El Paso and the Rio Grand Valley vote Democrat. The election year, 2006 still gives me a thrill. In Dallas county, every single republican judge was voted out of office. So there are some blue spots of Texas big red map, but hang on, our time is coming!
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)I am not a Southerner, but I've visited Florida and Texas (neither of which are "typical" Southern states-if there is such a thing). I don't recall any nastiness thrown at me, a Californian.
There's a lot of right-wing nuttery in my state of California, actually. Not only are large swathes of the interior majority-GOP, but I've met a few very conservative people in the coastal regions (like some of my family near San Luis Obispo, in the central coast).
I also have right-wing relatives in Ohio, which is most decidedly NOT a Southern state.
Anyway, your thread is relevant, because while a lot of people are taken in by the RW propaganda (and not just in the South, either, there are also a lot of people (like you) who see through it.
The part should never be confused with the whole.
DarleenMB
(408 posts)We live in Wyoming. 150,000+ voted for rmoney and the other 68,000+ of us voted for Obama. We a small group but we are here, nonetheless.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)..and LOVING it!
In 2005, my Wife & I moved from a Big Blue Northern City
to a very RED area of the rural South,
and haven't regretted a single day.
For some reason, Hating On The South is the only approved bigotry allowed on DU.
In all my years at DU,
I have never seen a Hating-On-The-North or a Lets Re-Fight the Civil War thread
started by a DUer who actually LIVES in The South.
The South belongs to us ALL.
Hating-On-The-South is Hating on Yourself.
If you believe that something needs to be done about The South,
MOVE HERE and help us change it.
Our BLUE vote weighs much more here in the rural South
than it did in Minneapolis.
--bvar22 & Starkraven
changing the South Blue one vote at a time!
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)it is our moral, Christian duty to do everything we can to move out:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021767860#post75
Neat, huh?
kentauros
(29,414 posts)"Good riddance."
I do get the impression lately that there are members here on the non-South side of the Civil War that can only be described as "sore winners." It's like they want to start it all over again and make sure we all secede this time!
I mean, 
geardaddy
(25,392 posts)leftlibdem420
(256 posts)The state went 62% to Obama, but there are huge swathes of red. Garrett County went to Romney by the same margin as Utah did.
TNProfessor
(83 posts)Catlover827
(191 posts)It's no wonder I'm all messed up! I did have a brief sojourn in Pennsylvania and would love to live in a blue state again.
Whovian
(2,866 posts)Raised by social liberals from day one. All we can do is be an example ad try to change from within.
Bake
(21,977 posts)But don't hold your breath. I've been around here long enough to know that. You have too.
Sigh.
Bake
Bake
(21,977 posts)Donald Trump, anyone?
Bake
cry baby
(6,876 posts)Those that do would do well to remember what you said here.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,704 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And while I do see snark at the South on DU, I have also been told by a Southern DUer that by reading my username she 'knew all she needs to know, you don't live in the real world, want to find out what this country is come to the South'. So my entire region is not really the country AND not the real world.
Tis a two way street. I grew up in CA. My Texas cousins loved that joke about CA being like granola, full of fruits and nuts. Kids and adults alike 'fruits and nuts and flakes!'.
And what of New Jersey? No State is more often mocked than Jersey. They are the comic punchline on our national map.
So I do say try looking out for the same sort of thing said to other cities, places, regions. You might find that many get the same sort of wise cracks you see toward the South. To be blunt, Southerners will often make cracks about other States just like anyone else. It is not an error which is exclusive to one region's residents.
Mkap
(223 posts)I sort of wonder just how much different is the south from the rest of the union. Like do they teach you in school that man use to ride around on raptors and stuff like that, and they paddle you in school!!! That's insane....no horny 50 year old teacher is going to spank me
Whovian
(2,866 posts)The most egregious thing taught back then was state history that tried to make excuses for slavery in the textbook. Teachers pretty much slammed that chapter in the state history book.
I remember no sexual assaults by any teacher to anyone through my school days, I do remember getting my ass whacked by a paddle for smoking in the boys room without anything sexual being introduced.
OTOH, I remember my journalism/English teacher tried to get me kicked out of school for writing a Christmas parody in 1970 titled Joseph and The Virgin Harry. When she took me to the VP's office and he read it he laughed out loud and she wilted.
We also had a large contingent of anti-war students and civil rights activists that were not popular with the general populace of the time.
Cha
(319,077 posts)because the majority may be brainwashed. It's too generalizing..sweeping with a Broad Brush!
Carry On 
demosincebirth
(12,826 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)in SC, but a good sign is that 21 out of our 46 counties went for Obama in 2012 which is UP from 20 in 2008. And my little slice of sanity (my county) was solidly BLUE.
So even in the place that started the Civil War, there is hope.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I'm more with the guy who said something along the lines of - "get the fuck out of there, ASAP" to be honest. Personally, I would hate being surrounded on all sides by right wingnuts all the time, and being immersed in that kind of moronic centered culture.