Peter stzruck said on Deadline Whitehouse that the IC probably is experiencing

[triron]

A security nightmare because of Trump. Because they likely still
Don't have all the classified documents returned from Trump and don't know where they are. So why isn't Trump brought in and interrogated? Why wasn't he detained after the indictments for this purpose if nothing else?

[calguy]

1. Two tiers in the jusice system

One for trump, and one for everyone else who might have committed a crime of this nature

[lostnfound]

4. 3 or 4 tiers

Most just arrested, some crushed on the street
Some others skate, trump gets every benefit

[mopinko]

2. i'm assuming they know a good bit, tho.

[Rebl2]

3. I agree

He should be interrogated.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

40. You won't get anything from him via interrogation

He's a pathological liar which makes an interrogation difficult, at best, but, more importantly, he can still retain lawyers who are just smart enough to shut down any interrogation. TFG plays tough in public, but I bet if he went in an interrogation room and a lawyer told him not to answer anything other than name, age, address, he'd shut up.

He's too much of a self-serving coward to go against his lawyers then.

The DOJ probably has at least tried to bring him in, only for lawyers to say--nope. He won't talk to you, so you have to talk to us.

Once criminals lawyer up, it's tough to get the perp to talk. Even a prattling numbskull like TFG shuts up when faced with possible jail time if he says the wrong thing.

[Disaffected]

5. And why haven't his other properties been searched?

[mitch96]

28. I want to know what's inside Ivana trumps casket besides her body... Nothing overt now

Just a few passes with ground penetrating radar...
Then again, he probably has her in a lead casket...
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[tavernier]

39. It's not even her body.

She was cremated.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

41. Okay, Geraldo

That sounds like something QAnon would speculate about.

[mitch96]

42. Yup, I subscribe to "Conspiracy are us" website..😜..nt

[anarch]

6. what grinds my gears is, it was plainly obvious from the start of his "administration"

that he was sharing all manner of intel with the Russians, if not also the Saudis; I wonder if the, you know, "deep state" intelligence components took that into account when providing him with information

[phylny]

11. Do you remember that he and his "team"

refused to take part in the ethics training/briefings before he took office?

[ShazzieB]

12. No! I wonder how that got past me. 🤔

Seriously, it doesn't ring a bell. Sounds right in character, though!

[bucolic_frolic]

7. Several points

I've said all along they don't know, have to tease some of it out from other information, and in some cases won't ever know.

They can't admit they don't know. That makes what's out there more desirable and more valuable, and the nation less secure.

Did you see Trump's boxes? What a filing system! Chaos. No one indexing the records. Trump doesn't entirely know what he's got. If he went to find them, he wouldn't know where to look.

That may be one reason IC is focused on relatively small and narrow evidence and charges. It's only necessary to have a great chance to convict. Don't need to open the investigation to every security problem this mess has created.

[Marthe48]

8. If traitor were interrogated

he'd lie his ass off.

I'd like to see his ex-wife's coffin exhumed. She was cremated, so they aren't disturbing her bones, but excavating might expose skeletons that would finally put him away.

It is absolutely ridiculous that this criminal traitor is roaming free, leaving mayhem and destruction every day he's not arrested.

[OMGWTF]

10. I brought that up yesterday and someone commented that

Snopes said there’s no evidence that Ivana was cremated. I responded that there is no evidence that she wasn’t.

TEN men struggled to carry her coffin which was buried in a temporary-looking grave in the same place where the Saudis held their fake golf tournament one week after, and then Jared gets $2B from the Saudis.

The whole thing stinks. I think she was pushed down the stairs. Two of Traitor Tots goons were seen leaving her building right after it happened.

[BComplex]

13. What I want to know is why isn't that on every news station?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. Link to goons sighting?

[3catwoman3]

20. My parents were cremated and the ashes put in...

…very plain containers that were about the size of coffee cans. No coffins.

[soldierant]

18. Yes, she was cremated

but there was still a coffin - and it was heavy enough that the pallbearers were struggling.

Many of us found that suspect.

[Wednesdays]

34. Someone upthread mentioned something about the possibility of a lead coffin

...so that it couldn't be x-rayed. Hmm, that sorta fits the struggling pallbearers concept.

[soldierant]

38. Yes, it would.

But paper is heavy too. And the coffin itself is suspicious to me. My mother was cremated, nd she was buried in the same grave with my father in an urn about 5" x 5" x 9" I own a couple intended for me and my husband which are about 4" x 4" x 12" and I don't expect either to be exactly packed.

[Saoirse9]

9. Maybe they know he would just lie, obfuscate, and make things worse

I can't even imagine the security nightmare and it has been going on for a couple years.

It does seem from our vantage point that they are taking it way too easy on him.

I hope to God that Jack Smith knows what he is doing and has him stitched up good.

[Shipwack]

17. Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I have faith in Smith.

This is not his first rodeo. He’s spent the last several years investigating murderous thugs at the Hague, who were probably more competent and viscous than Donny & Co.

I worry more more about our Justice Department not having the spine to do the necessary but unpleasant things… “Oh noes! We can’t have a trial; it’s only 18 (or whatever) months until the election!!!”.

[Saoirse9]

36. This article is interesting . . .

https://politizoom.com/surprise-judge-cannon-isnt-running-the-trump-documents-trial-jack-smith-is/

Surprise! Judge Cannon Isn’t Running The Trump Documents Trial. Jack Smith Is

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I love it when a plan comes together. We haven’t even had the preliminary hearing yet, and already Special Counsel Jack Smith is showing that he has more courtroom strategic brains for breakfast than Judge Cannon and the entire Trump legal team have had since conception.

During Trump’s arraignment on Tuesday, Judge Aileen Cannon was noticeably absent, which means that things went smoothly, but still started media conjecture with her status in the case. But then an event in the hearing occurred that took all of the attention off of Cannon, and put it firmly on Jack Smith instead.
snip

snip
But today Jack Smith pulled a move that I can only describe inspired. Smith sent a Protective Order to Judge Cannon, stating that the prosecution was now prepared to release all non classified material to the defense under the Rules of Discovery. Smith requested that Judge Cannon issue an order prohibiting the dissemination of any information in the files to the public by the defense. The stated reason for the order was the fact that there are still multiple active investigations under way, and premature disclosure could screw them up.

This is a master class in legal tactics. Normally the way it goes, the indictments are unsealed, and the arraignment is held within 48 hours. During the arraignment the judge names a date for the preliminary hearing. And at the preliminary hearing, the judge opens the discovery window. The judge asks the prosecution how much sh*t they’re dumping on the defense, and then the defense requests a time window to go through the documents. Trump is counting on expanding that window as much as possible to delay the trial.

Look, Smith isn’t just running circles around Trump’s defense team, he’s running them around Judge Cannon too. Trump’s defense team wants endless delays and hearings. Smith just deprived them of that oxygen by not giving them any reasons to ask foe hearings on Trump’s bail conditions. And now, Judge Cannon hasn’t even set the preliminary hearing date to open discovery, and Smith is already handing over all of his non classified material for the Trump team to go through. Which makes it harder for the Trump team, 6-8 weeks from now at the preliminary hearing, to ask for 4-6 months for discovery when they’ve already 90% of the stuff for 6-8 weeks.
snip

[triron]

19. Probably true.

But who knows how much he has fucked up IC security and protective measures. How can we be respected in the world anymore? I wonder what European democracies would do in similar situations?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Why aren't Republican Vets not experiencing a loud nightmare publicly?

[Grasswire2]

16. Is it possible that he's already blackmailing US and us?

He could, ostensibly, release ultra classified information.

And he could threaten to do so.

And he could try to gain some leverage by such a threat.

[triron]

24. Have to wonder if jack Smith already suspects this.

[Scrivener7]

37. Yes.

From 2021.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/
CIA admits to losing dozens of informants around the world: NYT
Leading counterintelligence officials issued a memo to all of the CIA’s global stations saying that a concerning number of U.S. informants were being captured and executed.

The CIA’s counterintelligence mission center investigated dozens of incidents in the last few years that involved killings, arrests or compromises of foreign informants. In an unusual move, the message sent via a top secret cable included the specific number of agents killed by other intelligence agencies, according to The New York Times.

[Rhiannon12866]

21. Here's the video for those who missed it:

Pete Strzok: Trump is a counterintelligence nightmare - Deadine - MSNBC
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017837438

Former FBI counterintelligence agent Pete Strzok, New York Times Washington correspondent Mike Schmidt, and former top official in the Justice Department's National Security Division Mary McCord discuss the national security fallout from Donald Trump’s mishandling of classified documents. - Aired on 06/16/2023.

[triron]

22. This is great to have so soon.

[crickets]

30. Thank you. nt

[Rhiannon12866]

31. Even if DUers have access to MSNBC, they don't tend to repeat Deadline: White House.

[Cha]

23. Of course.. Thank you!

[Danascot]

25. This horse has left the barn

but I wonder if they're looking into using technology to protect future documents. They could put a QR code on each page and have them be indexed at the CIA. They might also embed a tracker like AppleAir so they could track them down.

I understand it doesn't work if someone makes copies or takes photos.

[Orrex]

26. Whatever you do, don't suggest that Trump is getting special treatment

I've been scolded many times over for pointing out the objectively verifiable fact that he is being treated with astonishing deference and has been for years.

The bigger crime, apparently, is that I mention this at all.

[triron]

29. Now where do you get that idea? Ha.

[littlemissmartypants]

27. Interrogate a compulsive, pathological liar?

[summer_in_TX]

32. DOJ decided that since Trump is a candidate for

president, they would not restrict his ability to campaign. That decision was to prevent appeals on the issue from potentially delaying any trial.

That's why there was a jaw-dropping lack of meaningful restrictions by the prosecution proposed during the arraignment.

[triron]

35. So trump's candidacy overrides national security?

If so our nation cannot survive.

[Martin Eden]

33. Waterboard the MF!

Too bad if he strokes out during the interrogation.