What Jack Smith isn't telling us

[KS Toronado]

He's got his "Aces in the hole" to put Тяцмp behind bars for a long time.

[H2O Man]

1. Recommended.

The indictment has about 20 to 25% of the evidence that Mr. Smith has on the cases charged.

[jaxexpat]

3. Link?

[H2O Man]

4. The link

is having a grasp of how the DOJ works.

[jaxexpat]

23. I hope, then, that he is not hesitant to pull out his big ......

guns to keep the creep under pressure without pause.

[H2O Man]

28. Right.

Now that his defense team id going to be getting discovery, they will inform the defendent that he is in deep trouble. The melt-down will continue. (One of the defendent's lawyers is a former federal prosecutor, and was fully aware that the indictment was a combination of "just enough to indict," plus Mr. Smith's message to the public -- as that is how he generally "speaks" to the public. The other attorney is generally for planning appeals, yet he reportedly is the one that advocated making a deal to avoid indictment.)

[Septua]

22. And Smith gets new, additional evidence every time...

..Trump opens his mouth. I'm guessing Trump's only chance of avoiding a guilty verdict will be a hung jury.

I don't much think Cannon will help him...she'll have to truly be a rogue judge (and fool) if she tries to block some of the crime-fraud exception evidence. Even with that, Smith will appeal and win, possibly have her replaced. I would think that's part of the submerged portion of the iceberg.

[H2O Man]

29. Great points,

right on target. I agree 100%.

[mucifer]

2. won't matter much if the judge dismisses the case. But, soooo many other cases.

[speak easy]

37. There is a grand jury on the documents case still sitting in D.C.

[soldierant]

51. That's very interesting, because SCOTUS

just handed down a decision that changes the Federal venue rule. It used to be if you charged and tried a case in the wrong venue, the trial was void and the defendant could not be tried again. Now, the defendant can be tried again (in the correct venue) And, yes, i have a link.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jack-smith-should-have-waited-a-week-to-indict-donald-trump

[speak easy]

53. Smith (only) needs a case that is properly held in D.C.

He may be holding charges that meet that meet that test. Obviously Floria is the proper venue for the obstruction of justice counts.

[soldierant]

64. I'm sure he has at least one such case.

[Blue Owl]

5. Hear that, Donny?

[Stuart G]

6. K and R...Thanks for posting..

[mucifer]

7. it would be great if he does have evidence of selling our secrets. We all know

he's doing it and has been with the undocumented presidential meetings with putin.

[ancianita]

11. If Jack Smith goes to the FISA court with national security probable cause, and he likely will,

though that's the "underwater" part we can't see, the FISA court will (if it hasn't already) issue a classified search warrant that allows surveillance of all possible past and present wire use and other means of conveying the top secret info.

[hydrolastic]

8. This hits the nail on the head for me

I have said for a while that I know how the Rico thing works. Prosecute from the bottom up using the lower testimony to prosecute the bigger fish. Done in silence so there is less chance to derail the system. That said, In a way there is a lot of damage being done today with the big fish still able to roam the planet free from prosecution. And because we don't know the extent of the damage public opinion of him is still too high. There is also the problem of making it seem like the system is tiered so the powerful are shielded. But also the house is still full of Republicans that are still screwing up the system. The senate has big issues with collaborators also. I have said it before and have been flamed a bit for it but I wish it were a televised deal like Watergate was so we got most of the story in real time. It could have been over by now.

[OMGWTF]

16. THIS! THIS! THIS!

[617Blue]

9. Wouldn't get my hopes up

Been down this road before with the hero prosecutor who will dispense justice.

We'll see.

[H2O Man]

17. When was the last time?

Perhaps you could list the top three times we've "been down this road before," with someone of a status similar to the defendent being indicted in federal court? Or, even just one example?

[617Blue]

44. Mueller, Fitzgerald

yes I understand the differences here but turning Smith into Superman is going to be a letdown for a lot of people here.

Wake me up when there is actual justice.

There's always some unethical asshole (Cannon) willing to prostitute themselves for Trump. He's been criming for 45 years. He'll never do a day in jail.

[H2O Man]

46. Patrick Fitzgerald

convicted Libby on several felony charges, and recommended that Congress investigate Cheney's role. Mr. Mueller convicted numerous people, and listed potential post-presidency charges of obstruction for the defendent. With Barr as AG, he was not able to indict the defendent. However, had Congress been true to their oath of office, the House would have impeached, and the Senate convicted. Neith of these are close to the same.

I can only speak for myself, of course, but I have not compared Mr. Smith to a cartoon character, nor have I seen anyone else on DU or elsewhere doing so. As one of the very few community members who was familiar with him when he was appointed, I have said that he is intelligent, honest, and loyal to the rule of law. Thus, I said that he would indict the defendent, and was but two week's off in my prediction on when that would happen.

There are, as you note, unethical people in DC, including in the House, Senate, and even the Supreme Court. I will respectfully disagree with your calling them an "asshole," as I believe that is giving too much substance to the. Rather, I think they are what passes through the spincter on a daily basis. But that is, of course, merely my opinion.

From the onset of Mr. Smith taking the case, I said I thought it unlikely he would be incarcerated, even if indicted, tried, and convicted. I respect the opinions of several former federal prosecutors who think he might be. I do not in any sense whatsoever take seriously the people who think he might get the death penalty. They are the polar opposite of the equally non-serious Eeyores among us.

[617Blue]

49. Point Taken

[calimary]

57. You have such a way with words!

“I will respectfully disagree with your calling them an "asshole," as I believe that is giving too much substance to the. Rather, I think they are what passes through the spincter on a daily basis. But that is, of course, merely my opinion.”

[dmr]

61. Yup, I agree!

Hell, I agree with all he wrote.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

58. Neither of those two charged the top people. Smith has and will again. . . nt

[sheshe2]

45. +1

[H2O Man]

47. Thank you!

[praxEs]

10. Yes

Smith may be sandbagging Trump. Expect a check/raise.

[Yavin4]

12. He's still working on the 1/6 indictments as well.

The man is going to bring a whole Marvel Cinematic Universe of charges against Trump.

[Kid Berwyn]

15. The DC Universe is the Merde-de-Lardo docs.

Love the comic book analogy of the anal stage traitor.

[malaise]

41. Fabulous

[elocs]

13. Trump may lose his freedom someday, but I doubt he will ever be behind "bars".

Where he would be "imprisoned" will not look like any kind of prison cell we might imagine, but will be palatial in comparison. It could even be house arrest which might be fine if he had no internet or phone communication and is deprived of ketchup.
I think there is a real chance that he might even just die in the years it would take any of this to happen.

[cannabis_flower]

19. Let him have his ketchup....

But don’t let him have a maid. And let him have news but only MSNBC.

[Warpy]

20. I'm thinking house arrest in the golf palace of his choosing

or even that over decorated marble and gilt horror in NYC, it would be easy to restrict his movement, visitors, and communication with the outside world there.

A palatial prison is still a prison. Ask any control freak's wife.

[ShazzieB]

50. I agree.

Ever since Smith arrived on the scene, I've been optimistic about an indictment, and I'm still optimistic about Trump eventually being convicted of something(s). I am not and never have been optimistic about or particularly attached to the idea of him ever going to prison. Maybe I'll turn out to be wrong, but I've long believed that home confinement is a much more likely outcome.

And I'm okay with that. I'm actually more excited to see him tried in court for his crimes and all the dirty laundry on full display for the world to see than I am about any resulting punishment. The trial(s) itself/themselves will be punitive for a man as vain and narcissistic as Trump. He'll no doubt retain a small cadre of worshippers, but many, many more people will see him for the pos he is than do now. I like that idea quite a lot.

I also agree that home confinement would be a more severe punishment for Trump than any of us can imagine. This is a guy who is used to jumping in his own personal plane and jetting off to God knows where at a moment's notice. Home confinement would would be a huge adjustment, at the very least. It would also solve the problem of what to do about his SS detail that would arise if he was sent to a federal prison.

[Warpy]

52. Yes, I couldn't see his SS detail in prison, either.

I can see them guarding his locked elevator on the ground floor of that monstrosity he built, sending it up to him when his McD's order arrives every afternoon.

[2naSalit]

62. He would lose the detail...

As he entered the facility, and MOU arrangement with US Marshal Service would be how his security would be handled. USMS are responsible for prison security of that sort.

[FakeNoose]

36. I agree with you that it's hard to imagine a federal judge sentencing him to prison

He'll be found guilty and the nation will be shocked to learn all the shit he's done. But prison isn't the only option and I believe he'll get pass. It will be house arrest, wearing a cuff, constantly surrounded by secret service agents, whatever. After he's convicted I hope he gets a strict gag order - no TV interviews, no rallies, no social media, etc. Just silence him and keep him out of our sight.

[prodigitalson]

54. I damn sure can't see aileen cannon sentencing him to prison

and i think you are right about the house arrest and the restrictions - I will add that the rest of his life will be spent getting caught violating those restrictions and him still not going to prison.

[republianmushroom]

14. yep, and a lot we will never know, because it can't be proven.

28 months and counting

[ProfessorGAC]

33. What?

Your post makes no sense.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

59. You seem to think your secret is important

We see it's important because we see you posting it often.

You are posting frequently your secret count on a public forum as if you believe it is important to the public forum. Why else post on a public discussion forum? You aren't posting for your own ego. That would be selfish and you are mindful of community.

You don't expect us to guess what your private count is. You are intelligent so you don't expect us to be able to guess. Because you are knowledgeable and know that there are many variations of counts surrounding different public events.

For example, it is 878 days since Biden was inaugurated. 28 months, 28 days. Which is really 29 months. But somebody could call it 28 months, if they were rounding it off by truncation.

But that would be a celebration. And being a cheerful Democratic sort, you would celebrate that on a public forum.

A Republican would say the 28 months represents the time the usurper Biden is occupying the Oval Office that is rightly Trump's. But you are not a Republican. You might be a republian or a mushroom, whatever those are. But you are not a Republican.

It is 893 days since the attempted insurrection. 29 months, 12 days. That's 29 months and so that's not it.

It is 864 days since Biden stopped some arms sales to Saudi Arabia. 28 months 14 days. Perhaps you have family that was killed by Houti rebels.

It's something negative that happened between January 18th, and Feb. 18th 2021. But not personal to you, because you are not selfish.

So it's not ego.
It's not stupidity.
It's not selfishness.
It's not double standards.
It's not celebrating Joe Biden.
It's not a Republican complaint.
It's not lack of awareness of public events.
It's not marking the attempted insurrection.
It's not a republican or republian code signalling to mushrooms.

It could be arms sales ban.

Do you have any idea of why you are using a public forum? I believe you do because you are intelligent. Care to share in the space you've been using?

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January 15
The Lao People's Revolutionary Party elects Thongloun Sisoulith as its new General Secretary, replacing retiring chief Bounnhang Vorachith. Sisoulith is elected for a five-year term as top leader in Laos.[12]
COVID-19 pandemic: The global death toll from COVID-19 passes 2 million.[13]
January 20 – Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are inaugurated as the 46th and 49th President and Vice President of the United States. Harris becomes the first Black, South Asian and female Vice President.
January 22 – The Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons, the first legally binding international agreement comprehensively to prohibit nuclear weapons, comes into effect.[14]
January 24 – 2021 Portuguese presidential election: Incumbent president Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa is reelected.[15]
January 26 – COVID-19 pandemic: The number of confirmed COVID-19 cases exceeds 100 million worldwide.[16]
January 27 – A near-total ban on abortion comes into effect in Poland.[17]
January 29 – COVID-19 pandemic: The European Union invokes Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol following a row over COVID-19 vaccine supplies before reversing the decision.[18]
January 31 – Nguyễn Phú Trọng is re-elected for a third five-year term as the General Secretary of the Communist Party of Vietnam.[19]

February
February 1

A coup d'état in Myanmar removes Aung San Suu Kyi from power and restores military rule leading to widespread demonstrations across the country.[20][21][22]
Kosovo officially establishes diplomatic ties with Israel and announces plans to open an embassy in Jerusalem.[23]
COVID-19 pandemic: The number of vaccinations administered worldwide exceeds 100 million.[24][25]

February 4 – US President Joe Biden announces that the United States will cease providing weapons to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) for use in the Yemeni Civil War.[26]
February 9

COVID-19 pandemic: A joint WHO–China investigation into the source of the outbreak concludes. Investigators deem a Wuhan laboratory leak to be "extremely unlikely", with a "natural reservoir" in bats being a more likely origin.[27]
The UAE's uncrewed Hope spacecraft becomes the first Arabian mission successfully to enter orbit around Mars.[28]

February 13–17 – A major winter storm kills at least 136 people and causes over 9.9 million power outages in the U.S.[29]

[lark]

18. This case will probably be dismissed by fascist traitor Cannon.

Smith can file in NJ for tfg illegally showing classified information to unauthorized people and bang, new better judge, new better jury. Win for America.

[LiberalFighter]

25. With all the publicity it will be difficult for her to take that action.

She will have to consider whether she will go down in history making a stupid mistake that will cost her severely for the rest of her life.

It will be a matter of her consulting the right people.

She could decide not to recuse herself and intentionally make sure he gets off. Even to the point of directing acquittal after the jury is seated.

She could handle the trial appropriately and allow the jury to decide.

Or she could recuse herself.

[lark]

30. I think A is her most likely action.

She's obviously not going to do B or C. I would be totally shocked beyond belief if she does anything other than A.

[LiberalFighter]

34. Then she has to think whether Smith has other options to still go after Trump

in which she will not have any control. And that likely would make her look even worse.

[lark]

60. She doesn't seem to care one little bit.

She is devoted to promoting tfg and ensuring he steals back the presidency, her adoration of him outweighs everything else. She has already proven this.

[moonscape]

32. But she won't think it's a stupid mistake since

she looks through a cult lens.

[mucifer]

39. Her life or the lives of those

she loves may be threatened. Those people are psycho

[onenote]

56. Why wouldn't that be the case for any other judge that replaced her?

[GreenWave]

21. What has seeped out:

Request for Ted Cruz's videos???
Investigating mail order fraud
Putting kids on stand

The J-6 court is looming
Readying for possible NJ court
Undermining election integrity
Making bullies talk
Publishing charges

[malaise]

42. Nicely played

It's all downhill from here for the Slobfather

[LiberalFighter]

24. Never play all of your cards at once.

[malaise]

26. Love it

Rec

[kentuck]

27. It would be a travesty if a Judge prevented a jury from hearing this case.

Espionage, stolen secrets, deception, obstruction. Against the people of the United States of America. All of us.

[lees1975]

31. I wonder if the way Trump was handled after the indictment wasn't to get more evidence for trial.

The man went right back to New Jersey and opened his mouth and essentially confirmed that indicting him was the right thing to do.

Are they tempting him to flee the country? Are they baiting him to open his fat pie hole and pour out confirmation, in the form of attempted justification for what he did, as a way of proving his guilt in a conclusive and absolute way?

He's an appallingly stupid man. Who knows what the prosecution can do to get a confession out of him without his even knowing it?

[Deuxcents]

48. Hhmmm...I keep wondering why no gag orders but your post has me thinking..

[Bernardo de La Paz]

66. Smith is seeking a gag order regarding "uncharged individuals" in other investigations

... and requiring tRump's attorney(s) to be present with him when he looks at certain evidence.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

35. K&R

[gibraltar72]

38. I was thinking same thing as I was working in garage.

Trump and Nauta don't know all he's got until it is turned over to lawyers. He told us enough to get indictment. Won't be surprised if he knows exactly why Trump did what he "allegedly" did. And investigation is ongoing.

[Cha]

40. well that's encouragingly Refreshing!

TY!

[kentuck]

43. If, by some chance or misfortune, the Judge is prepared to put the trial on a long delay...

I think Jack Smith would double-down on the January 6th subpoenas and indictments. They may win the battle but they will not win the war. How far would our judicial system go to defend the indefensible?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

55. Sounds just like what we all said about Mueller

No worries he's gonna come through with a slam dunk.

Hope Jack Smith actually does!

[Hortensis]

63. Yes, BUT, Mueller's scope of investigation was tightly defined by Republicans

during a very corrupt administration to keep him from examining hugely pertinent areas. We didn't know just how successful they'd be. Guessing Mueller didn't know going in either, though would have been entirely aware of the handicaps.

THESE two special investigations were opened under a DoJ restored to its proper function without corrupt constraints intended to defeat their purposes. tRump's already criminally indicted under one.

[KentuckyWoman]

65. I honestly cannot see Trump going to jail.

I could be wrong but I don't see any scenario that puts Trump behind bars. Oh, I agree with you 100% there's so much more to this that we know. My expectation is things are FAR worse that even the charges indicate. Regardless, I don't see Trump himself paying for the crimes.

At best the fines are big enough to take back all his grift, plus the money that went to his family and cohorts. I don't even see that happening because that would be in the billions. More likely we might get him barred from running for office. If he could lose his secret service protection and taxpayer funded benefits, it would be nice but I doubt that too.