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littlemissmartypants

(33,579 posts)
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 05:55 AM Jun 2023

Trigger Warning Sexual Violence: She thought she was unshockable, then two castrated...

She thought she was unshockable, then two castrated Ukrainian soldiers arrived
CHRISTINA LAMB
Sexual violence against men is an under-reported part of the Ukraine war. A psychologist describes the impact on her patients of their torture by Russians

Two Ukrainian soldiers say they were castrated by drunken Russian troops after being taken prisoner. One has since rejoined the fighting as “he wants to kill Russians”


For a month the two men could not tell their psychologist what had happened to them, only that it was horrible beyond words. “If there’s hell somewhere, it’s worse than that,” said one.
The Ukrainian soldiers, aged 25 and 28, had been in Russian captivity — one for one month, the other for three.
After their return in a prisoner swap they had been referred to Anzhelika Yatsenko, 41, a psychologist in Poltava who deals with troubled young men. They were suicidal. The younger one had tried to kill himself. “I knew from previous cases they had probably been tortured,” she said. “As someone who gets referred the hardest cases, mostly men under 35, it’s very hard to surprise me.”

When they finally told her, it was, she said, “the first time I behaved not like a professional psychologist”.
“I’d never heard anything so horrible. I told them I needed the bathroom and went and cried and cried. I didn’t want them to see as they might think there’s no hope.”
The two men had been savagely beaten. Then the drunken Russians castrated them with a knife.
“One of them told me, ‘I don’t know how I am still alive, there was so much blood, I thought I’d die of blood poisoning’,” she said.
“And of course it’s not just the physical damage. Imagine, they are young men just starting their sexual life and then in one second it’s all over. They still feel something, all these hormones, but they can’t do anything. They can never be sexually active. For a young man it’s the worst thing to happen.
“Their dignity has been damaged so badly and it’s impossible to forget. The Russians told them, ‘We are doing this so you can’t have kids.’ To me this is genocide.”
Their treatment illustrates the heavy cost of this brutal war — one that is only likely to rise as Ukrainian forces try to breach Russian lines in the early stages of their counteroffensive.
Using new western kit, including German Leopard tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles from the US and Storm Shadow cruise missiles from the UK, the Ukrainians have been trying to punch their way through parts of the 600-mile front line from Donbas in the east to the Zaporizhzhia region in the south, where they hope to cut off Russia’s land bridge to Crimea.

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Trigger Warning Sexual Violence: She thought she was unshockable, then two castrated... (Original Post) littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 OP
K&R betsuni Jun 2023 #1
Maybe it is time to return the favor on Russian soldiers Stargazer99 Jun 2023 #2
Nope Mysterian Jun 2023 #5
It is ForgedCrank Jun 2023 #20
That would only justify such behavior. whopis01 Jun 2023 #11
Lucky their sex life is not over. multigraincracker Jun 2023 #3
They might not be able to have offspring, but there are so many children who need dads. LiberalArkie Jun 2023 #9
It is so much more than not being able to have children ..... usedtobedemgurl Jun 2023 #19
Horrible things happen in a war. Aussie105 Jun 2023 #4
...YES....TRUTH, "NOBODY WINS"... Stuart G Jun 2023 #15
So awful, there's just no words 😔 😪 nt Raine Jun 2023 #6
The russian army is a bunch of drunks! The Jungle 1 Jun 2023 #7
Barbarians... 2naSalit Jun 2023 #8
As awful as it was, Disaffected Jun 2023 #10
You have got to be kidding. I guess disaffected says a lot. 58Sunliner Jun 2023 #12
How 'bout actually explaining why Disaffected Jun 2023 #14
Uhm, do you think they did it surgically? Do you have a medical background? 58Sunliner Jun 2023 #16
Nonsense. Disaffected Jun 2023 #18
WAR?.....2 NATIONS BENT ON KILLING EACH OTHER...or "Civil War"...War inside a nation Stuart G Jun 2023 #13
?? Disaffected Jun 2023 #17

Stargazer99

(3,517 posts)
2. Maybe it is time to return the favor on Russian soldiers
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 06:23 AM
Jun 2023

for every Ukrain soldier defiled in this manner return the favor to Russian soldiers...nothing like the taste of your own medicine to cure you

ForgedCrank

(3,095 posts)
20. It is
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 01:23 PM
Jun 2023

a depraved thought indeed.
I completely understand when people are confronted with a human induced atrocity such as this, but our desire to say inappropriate things out loud should be tended to.

multigraincracker

(37,651 posts)
3. Lucky their sex life is not over.
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 07:42 AM
Jun 2023

We now have testosterone replacement therapy. Castration should never be a punishment for sex crimes because it doesn’t work any longer.
The Russian army is cruel and stupid. War criminals.

usedtobedemgurl

(2,050 posts)
19. It is so much more than not being able to have children .....
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 01:11 PM
Jun 2023

Or there are children out there. This is physical and psychological warfare. Just telling them they can adopt is being blind to what happened to them. Part of their manhood was taken away from them. This is never acceptable.

Aussie105

(7,920 posts)
4. Horrible things happen in a war.
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 07:48 AM
Jun 2023

Every war since human history started.

Part of the training soldiers get is to 'toughen them up', which is basically to brutalize them, so they can be sent into battle wanting to kill and brutalize others.

The ones that come back from war get PTSD and have a hell of a time readjusting to normal life.
Many can't.

Civilians are equally brutalized by watching what a war does around them.

The human damage can take generations to overcome.

Nobody wins.

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
15. ...YES....TRUTH, "NOBODY WINS"...
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 12:53 PM
Jun 2023

For example, "The Civil War" ...consequences of that one went on for ...decades, and decades more.

Disaffected

(6,399 posts)
10. As awful as it was,
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 12:38 PM
Jun 2023

I don't see how that ends their sexual life. Unless the mutilation was more than castration...

Disaffected

(6,399 posts)
14. How 'bout actually explaining why
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 12:51 PM
Jun 2023

you think I'm kidding instead of taking lame-assed cheap shots?

58Sunliner

(6,329 posts)
16. Uhm, do you think they did it surgically? Do you have a medical background?
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 12:57 PM
Jun 2023

Do you have a good understanding of the male anatomy. These people were horrifically tortured and you come up with, hey not so bad they can still have sex.

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
13. WAR?.....2 NATIONS BENT ON KILLING EACH OTHER...or "Civil War"...War inside a nation
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 12:49 PM
Jun 2023

Brutality is not new in ...WAR!..........(see post number 4...he said this first) by ...Aussie105

War has always brought out the worst in human beings. ....killing others is...'KILLING OTHER PEOPLE"

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