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Every. Damn. One. (Original Post) mia Jun 2023 OP
The Bible Belt multigraincracker Jun 2023 #1
I'm very LGBT. Axelrods_Typewriter Jun 2023 #3
The Babel Belt. calimary Jun 2023 #16
Nothing like whathehell Jun 2023 #27
So it is not true? StClone Jun 2023 #31
I think it's exaggerated and whathehell Jun 2023 #37
And yet for the most part... druidity33 Jun 2023 #40
Your friend's story is a sad one whathehell Jun 2023 #41
Well... druidity33 Jun 2023 #43
Oh, don't misunderstand me, druidity 33 whathehell Jun 2023 #44
2023's Most & Least Federally Dependent States mia Jun 2023 #2
According To That Site... ProfessorGAC Jun 2023 #42
All but New Mexico - we r an outlier. alittlelark Jun 2023 #4
Yep ALBliberal Jun 2023 #17
Not only military bases and reservations, PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2023 #30
And I wonder how well those federal tax dollars are spent? Probatim Jun 2023 #5
Exactly! nt pazzyanne Jun 2023 #10
In Montana... 2naSalit Jun 2023 #12
Covid loans were one of the biggest national grifts for the wealthy ever. CrispyQ Jun 2023 #26
They have great college sports! StClone Jun 2023 #32
And they will turn it around and blame it on the ones that don't look like them. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2023 #6
That's why taxes are lower in red states SouthernDem4ever Jun 2023 #7
+1 2naSalit Jun 2023 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author dweller Jun 2023 #8
That says it all! mia Jun 2023 #11
Clarification... 2naSalit Jun 2023 #14
K&R Blue Owl Jun 2023 #9
Red states are welfare states. live love laugh Jun 2023 #15
. dalton99a Jun 2023 #18
The moocher states biting the hands that feed them dlk Jun 2023 #19
Gavin Newsom could cut off Florida's money. Initech Jun 2023 #20
Yep republianmushroom Jun 2023 #21
I'd like to see the actual numbers he's using SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2023 #22
That is not exactly true. harumph Jun 2023 #23
Please don't let facts SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2023 #28
Yeah, it leans heavily to red states being more dependent but not every damn one. progressoid Jun 2023 #34
So is Rick a Democrat now? BaronChocula Jun 2023 #24
Kick TY! Cha Jun 2023 #25
And they have the nerve to call us failed democrat cities senseandsensibility Jun 2023 #29
If Ron DeShithead continues to bus migrants to LA and Sacramento... Initech Jun 2023 #33
How exactly SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2023 #36
Eight states contribute more than they receive. former9thward Jun 2023 #35
Got any proof to back up that anecdote? littlemissmartypants Jun 2023 #38
On Crossfire Michael Kinsley had his honest republican test which could also be applied to brewens Jun 2023 #39
3. I'm very LGBT.
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 08:09 AM
Jun 2023

The government of the bible belt with its unbridled hate has essentially made the bible belt completely off-limits for me. I'd rather go to Saudi Arabia than the bible belt, at least the State Dept. might bail my ass out and get me to safety if things get hairy. I feel for my fellow LGBT people and Dems who are in those states.

whathehell

(30,497 posts)
37. I think it's exaggerated and
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 11:00 PM
Jun 2023

overstated..There are quite a few DUers living in what known as "the Bible belt".

druidity33

(6,927 posts)
40. And yet for the most part...
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:04 AM
Jun 2023

they can't put a bumper sticker on their car or wear a t-shirt without fear of being assaulted. I have a friend who is flamboyant in his gayness. It's who he is. He refuses to visit his brother in Alabama. Apparently he has been beaten and left for dead before... twice.



whathehell

(30,497 posts)
41. Your friend's story is a sad one
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 01:02 PM
Jun 2023

but these things have happened in bright blue states as well. I just don't think one can, or should attempt to negatively stereotype large segments of society, especially in extremely negative ways, i.e."evil"...I think it's lazy and potentially dangerous.

druidity33

(6,927 posts)
43. Well...
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 04:02 PM
Jun 2023

in the time he spent there... his youth and visits from college... he always felt as if he couldn't be who he was. He would get bullied EVERYWHERE for just "walking his walk". Like i said, Flamboyant. He has lived here in Mass for almost 20 years and he says has never had anyone threaten violence to him like he had to deal with every day IN HIS LIFE while he lived there. I understand what you're saying. Of course there are kind and considerate people down south and in the "bible belt". But the reality is that LGBTQ+ people are threatened there to a much greater degree. Denying that doesn't help anyone. If you are there and an ally, i appreciate you.



whathehell

(30,497 posts)
44. Oh, don't misunderstand me, druidity 33
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 04:37 PM
Jun 2023

I certainly recognize the differences among the various areas of the country. The South, much of the West and Midwest DO tend to be more conservative, so I think your friend did a wise thing in relocating to Massachusetts. Hell, I'm a straight white woman and I wouldn't want live in a conservative area either.

You have a good heart, druidty33. Your compassion for your friend shines throughout your posts.


ProfessorGAC

(76,977 posts)
42. According To That Site...
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 01:47 PM
Jun 2023

...Florida is not a dependent state to it's citizens & Texas is low dependency for their state government.
A little surprised given all the military spending, but the numbers are what they are.

alittlelark

(19,142 posts)
4. All but New Mexico - we r an outlier.
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 08:09 AM
Jun 2023

Due in part to the number of military bases and Native American reservations in the state.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
30. Not only military bases and reservations,
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 07:41 PM
Jun 2023

but also two national labs and a solar observatory. The VLA, Very Large Array of radio telescopes. Probably a bunch of others I can't think of right now.

Probatim

(3,290 posts)
5. And I wonder how well those federal tax dollars are spent?
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 08:26 AM
Jun 2023

How many projects like the one Brett Favre was involved in are funded using blue state tax dollars? What percent of money allocated to help their residents gets siphoned off to the well-connected in these states?

It seems to me there should be better accounting and a better process for how outcomes are measured. After all, red states complain all the time that spending money on the poor is wasteful - but if Favre can get millions to build a volleyball arena, how much other money is spent lining their pockets?

2naSalit

(103,323 posts)
12. In Montana...
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 08:56 AM
Jun 2023

The new R super majority has stockpiled alot of the Covid relief funds and are trying to find ways for it to land in the pockets of the wealthy rather than do anything to benefit the rest of the residents here. Seriously, they haven't spent more than 10% of what the state received for Covid relief programs, the rest is sitting in some holding place where they have to change the state constitution to gain access to it but they will keep it unavailable for the people of the state because they want it all to land in their personal bank accounts instead.

There are NO state social safety net programs that are not federal programs with federal funding.

I suspect it is similar in other poorly governed states.

CrispyQ

(41,020 posts)
26. Covid loans were one of the biggest national grifts for the wealthy ever.
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 03:20 PM
Jun 2023

But no student loan forgiveness for our kids, oh no!

Ferrets are Cool

(23,002 posts)
6. And they will turn it around and blame it on the ones that don't look like them.
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 08:28 AM
Jun 2023

I've seen it happen too many times. Every last one of "them" is a hypocrite.

Response to mia (Original post)

2naSalit

(103,323 posts)
14. Clarification...
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 08:58 AM
Jun 2023

State governments, not necessarily the people of the states. Remember we are stuck in some places due to gerrymandering and cheating.

Initech

(108,949 posts)
20. Gavin Newsom could cut off Florida's money.
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 12:33 PM
Jun 2023

If Ron DeSantis has enough money to keep bussing immigrants to LA and Sacramento as a fuck you political stunt to look good on those fucking talk shows, then they clearly don’t need our money.

SickOfTheOnePct

(8,710 posts)
22. I'd like to see the actual numbers he's using
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 01:29 PM
Jun 2023

to determine that red states rely on blue states "for their state spending".

Florida & Texas, for example, get more in federal money than the federal taxes paid due to having so many military bases. But that isn't state spending.

harumph

(3,323 posts)
23. That is not exactly true.
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 01:34 PM
Jun 2023

Florida and Texas aren't great examples and are less dependent than some blue states.

For example, Vermont, Connecticut and Michigan and Hawaii are more dependent on federal $. Texas and Minnesota are about
the same.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700

BaronChocula

(4,635 posts)
24. So is Rick a Democrat now?
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 02:35 PM
Jun 2023

Or is he still in the wilderness of "independence" as he boosts Demo-nomics and calls out red state insolvency? Come on Rick, take the plunge.

Initech

(108,949 posts)
33. If Ron DeShithead continues to bus migrants to LA and Sacramento...
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 09:28 PM
Jun 2023

As a "fuck you" stunt to look good on those stupid fucking talk shows, then California could cut off Florida's farm subsidy money. Two can play at that game, Ronnie.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
35. Eight states contribute more than they receive.
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 09:45 PM
Jun 2023

Including two red ones, Utah and Nebraska.

Indeed, a January report from the SUNY Rockefeller Institute of Government found that just eight states gave more to the federal government in 2018 than they received in federal spending: New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Colorado, Minnesota, Utah and Nebraska.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/state-bailouts-federal-spending-give-receive/

https://rockinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/1-22-20-Balance-of-Payments.pdf

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
39. On Crossfire Michael Kinsley had his honest republican test which could also be applied to
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:03 AM
Jun 2023

democrats, but that wasn't his job. When the right was demanding more spending cuts from Clinton, he would say to whoever was on the right, "okay, you go first. What federal programs in your state are you willing to cut?" They would never give him an answer. Usually, they would say something like it was their job to get their states share of what federal spending there was.

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