What Will It Take?

[NowISeetheLight]

I've been wondering "What will it take" for the GOP and MAGA supporters to finally "See the light". Like I did years ago as a fiscal conservative who was a Republican. My evolution was a process and I've voted "best candidate" for the last twenty plus years. I've voted both parties. I've educated myself, learned to research data and have focused on actual facts over rhetoric.

The MAGA folks today don't seem to be able to comprehend reality. They drank the Kool Aid of the GQP and they're just oblivious. Can ANYTHING make them see the light?

I can totally see the GOP not doing anything to fix Social Security. I can totally see a benefits cut of 25% at some point in the future. Is that what it will take? Suddenly everyone on Social Security having their checks reduced. That's the GQP goal after all.

Would they even realize what happened though? Would they comprehend WHO is responsible? Would they be able to formulate the logical factual answer? I have doubts. Stupid is as stupid does... and these people are just stupid.

[walkingman]

1. Today's GOP is not a political party it is a cult.

Cults follow their cult leader. I doubt that will change.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. Cult deprogrammers say the very first step is to stop

arguing with them and stop implying/saying they are stupid. That's on family level tho.

But I *think* it's happening on a grand scale a little bit now, do you? Just because people are tiring of hitting the brick wall?

[walkingman]

15. I don't see a lot of it in Texas but at some point (hopefully) they will admit

they have been played.

In 1968, George Wallace carried five Southern states - Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi but you would be hard pressed to find many people that admit they voted for him because racism is not acceptable anymore for most people.

Mark my words - in 10 years it will be hard to find anyone that admits voting for Trump.

Why? Because admitting they voted for him would be admitting he made fools of them. One trait Americans have is not admitting their mistakes....Civil War, Vietnam, Iraq are good examples.

[brooklynite]

17. " you would be hard pressed to find many people that admit they voted for him"

Largely because almost of the people who did are now dead.

[walkingman]

19. That's true 😁 Trump reminds me of those days in a lot of ways.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

22. Hear ya. I was talking about our side tho. We are

Slowly but surely changing so that we aren't arguing. My point that it's the first step in cult deprogramming.

[walkingman]

26. More than reconciling out differences I see Trump fatigue but these culture wars are escalating.

What is really depressing to me is how many GOP Moms are joining the conspiracy crowd. I didn't expect that.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. Well nothing has worked so far. But think youre

Right. Will have to be something that directly affects their pocketbook. And that's not likely to happen with a Dem Senate & Prez.

[dalton99a]

3. Trump executing DeSantis in the middle of Fifth Avenue

MAYBE

[Chainfire]

5. The faithful have decided that the big bad government is after their god. Nothing will change their

minds. In fact the more evidence that they are confronted with, the larger the conspiracy to topple Trump.

[walkingman]

28. The conflict between government and religion is a battle that has gone on

for centuries and the GOP has weaponized faith for its political goals. The party that claims to support Christian values has developed a twisted ideology where the mention of God has become a license for injustice and to avoid being held responsible for their actions. In reality it is damaging to both government and religion (in my opinion).

[calimary]

6. Republicans DON'T want to help you.

That’s just who they are and what they’re about.

Do it yourself.

I got mine. Go get yer own.

Don’t expect any help. Cuz that means you’re a lazy moocher. No handouts!


It’s just sad. And the saddest thing is how desperately they try to convince you how Christian they are.

[gab13by13]

8. But the truth of the matter is

that every red state takes in more from the federal government than it pays in. Blue states subsidize red states.

I tried that argument with the Magats, and even just showing them the numbers doesn't convince them.

If Trump told them 2+2=5 not 4, they would believe him.

[NowISeetheLight]

9. Republicans

I agree with your analysis of "real Republicans". They are greedy and could care less. I think a lot of the Republicans are just clueless. They "think" they're Republican but they don't really understand the real Republican agenda.

It reminds me of President Shepards speech at the end of The American President (great movie). He talks about Sen Rumsen and says all he cares about is "Making you afraid of it and telling you who to blame for it". Totally accurate GQP playbook.

[underpants]

10. I saw basically that on Facebook- about child care subsidies

[Mysterian]

7. People in 1930s Germany were probably asking a similar question:

"When will people realize Hitler and the Nazis are insane maniacs?"

[yorkster]

11. They like and support his despicable policies -

Whether or not they'll admit it. Racist, anti-government, pro-gun, anti-science, misogynistic - they love the whole package.

Disgusting and dangerous.

[Maeve]

12. There are still Germans who think Hitler was right

Fascists gonna..fasc

[NowISeetheLight]

14. Germany

When their cities were bombed out, their children killed, they kind of figured it out. They passed laws during reconstruction and kind of became aware. Yet now even there the spectre of evil has cropped up. More EU countries are shifting right. Most of it is anti-immigrant based it seems. Other religious groups becoming more prevalent. Kind of what's happening here.

[Maeve]

24. Which is my point...some don't ever learn even with all that

Not ragging on Germany--they really tried. But fascist ideas will continue to fester even when you work hard to stop them; the desire to control others is part of human nature.

[NowISeetheLight]

25. History

I wonder if those EU countries shifting that way are blocking history from the new generation (like Florida and other GOP states). Hide the evils of the past so they're not aware of them and thus can't be horrified by them.

[ananda]

13. Nothing takes for them. It's kind of surreal and really stupid....

but they are lost for good.

[JustAnotherGen]

16. Nothing

Their core base is at 30% of their registered party members.

That aligns with the exit poll in the 2016 South Carolina primary where 30% thought slavery should be legal.

They are fearful of a Browning America and believe our existence is an existential threat to them.

Their behavior and beliefs put them in peril. As Generation Z comes of age - they are toast.

I'm just hoping they don't engage in 1920's level of terrorism. If they do - things are going to be awful for them in the future.

[UniqueUserName]

20. Will you provide a credible citation for your statements?

I'm not calling you out. I couldn't find a citation that supported that 30% of primary voters in South Carolina thought slavery should be legal.

The best I could find was a citation from Time that said, "Nearly 20% of Trump Fans Think Freeing the Slaves Was a Bad Idea." That's a pretty shocking number in itself too.
https://time.com/4236640/donald-trump-racist-supporters/

But that article is short on specifics.

[NowISeetheLight]

21. Reminds Me

It reminds me of the 2000 Alabama Prop 2 Ammendment. It removed the ban on interracial marriage from the state constitution. Loving v Virgina was already the law but the language was still there.

It passed with 59% of the vote, however 25 of 67 counties voted against it. Racism was alive and well in the South.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Alabama_Amendment_2

South Carolina got rid of their language in 1998. Like Alabama there was objection in some parts.

[The Grand Illuminist]

27. Let's hope Gen Z stays the course when they get older.

This was said 50 years ago, and many strayed.

[Beastly Boy]

18. Time. But then,

when they get over Trump, instead of learning from their experience, they will come up with a different, just as insane conspiracy theory, find a different idol to worship, and do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Certain poorly educated people will just refuse to do the critical thinking thingy. Because it's harder than being ignorant.

[NowISeetheLight]

23. Blame Game

"Certain poorly educated people will just refuse to do the critical thinking thingy. Because it's harder than being ignorant."

The GQP has mastered the art of blame. They've managed to convince all these poorly educated low earning people that it's (insert racial minority, immigrant, lgbt, etc here)'s fault they're not rich and successful like Trump.

For a party that claims to be so obsessed with self-responsibilty, they sure do tell their followers to NOT look in a mirror.