Did TFG disseminate classified intel

[edhopper]

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to foreign agents or entities? I think is a pretty damn important question that needs to be answered for the public and the country. Not just speculation, but a clear declaration from the DOJ if he did so and the punishment that goes with that.

[mahina]

1. Of course he did

I don’t have any evidence of it, but I will call how pleased everybody was in that first meeting with Lavrov and for the first time, no American witnesses.

[edhopper]

2. We both know it

but it needs to be clearly made public and the proof of it is one of the most important things that needs to come from the investigation.

[triron]

21. On the mark!

[dalton99a]

3. It's a given.

Most likely monetized/sold

Trump would sell his mother for a nickel

[Beetwasher.]

4. You Heard About Smith at the Arraignment Boring Holes into Trump with His Eyes, Right?

Do the math.

[Qutzupalotl]

8. Smith knows what was in the documents too sensitive to use at trial.

I picture him thinking, “I know what you did, traitor. Tick tock, motherfucker.”

[edhopper]

22. There are special trials

for this sort of crime.

[Qutzupalotl]

27. Yet he only charged 31 counts out of well over 100 documents.

We are about to witness one such special trial, but even Smith knows some secrets are too sensitive to risk further disclosure.

[2naSalit]

5. I wonder how...

That's even a question anymore.

[edhopper]

23. The question is

there evidence that can be presented to the public. Not whether he did it, which he did.

[MineralMan]

6. Most likely he did.

If there's evidence, he'll be charged for it. This isn't over yet, by any means.

[Stuart G]

35. Outstanding Comment..."This isn't over yet, by any means"

Or........"It ain't over till it's over.".......Thank you for above comment at top.

[Effete Snob]

7. .

[Fiendish Thingy]

9. Hopefully Smith will be able to answer the question

But in any case, the IC will be able to speak to the damage done by compromising programs and sources by the insecure storage of the documents.

Hopefully that will be enough to convict Trump.

[live love laugh]

10. And that's where the road ends ... I don't think there's proof.

[hedda_foil]

13. I think there's proof alright, but the vast majority is too sensitive to be used as evidence.

[live love laugh]

16. Hmmmm maybe 🤔 ... that's the ULTIMATE crime to take

something that can’t be revealed as taken.

Wow!

[onenote]

28. A majority of the top secret docs seized at Mar-a-Lago are referenced in the indictment.

DOJ filed an inventory with the district court stating that 103 classified documents were found in the search of Mar-a-Lago of which 18 were top secret. In the indictment, they indicate that 102 classified documents were found in the search of Mar-a-Lago and 17 were top secret. The indictment bases separate charges on 11 of those 17 or 18 top secret documents. So there were only 6 or 7 of those top secret documents that weren't referenced in the indictment. Another 10 top secret documents that were given to DOJ in June, in response to the subpoena, are referenced in the indictment. We don't know the classification of the other 28 documents turned over in response to the subpoena, but even if all 28 were top secret, it would mean that DOJ obtained 56 or 55 top secret documents in response to the subpoena or in the search and didn't use 34 or 35 of them in the indictment. That's a majority, but not exactly a "vast"majority. And depending on how many of the 38 documents turned over in response to the subpoena actually were top secret, it could be that DOJ has in fact referenced a majority of the top secret documents in the indictment.

If there were other top secret documents seized or turned over to DOJ that were not acknowledged in the inventory or the indictment, DOJ would be in big trouble for providing false or misleading information to the court.

[Enoki33]

11. Recall how his initial actions all

benefited Russia when he first became president?. The secret documents handover was the final betrayal. He is truly without one good redeeming factor.

[republianmushroom]

12. agree

Waterboard him, that is not torture. As per our govt.. Just asking question and wanting answers.

[BComplex]

14. We all know he did. I hope JSmith has the translator for that meeting that trump/putin

wouldn't let anybody else in on. That translator could tell him a whole host of traitorisms.

Trump needs to fry in isolated confinement for this.

[stopdiggin]

15. many people believing

(even a 'majority' of people believing) - is still not evidence that something in fact occurred.

Part of the reason that the recent indictments were such a gut punch to the establishment - was because they brought the goods.. NOW try arguing with me about whether this was nit picky 'overkill.' Point being - there's tremendous value in waiting - until the bastards are really nailed to the damned wall.

[H2O Man]

18. I'm curious if

you could explain what exactly you mean by saying the indictments "were such a gut punch to the establishment." It could just be me, but I tend to think of the DOJ as part of the "establishment." Maybe even a majority of people here do. But as you note, we could be wrong in thinking that. But I consider the indictments to being the establishment as landing a "gut punch" to the toxic growth of the defendent and his maga cult -- much the same as I did the indictments, trials, and convictions of the January 6 thugs.

[stopdiggin]

37. my aim there was actually thinking of old guard

GOP in particular. But also have to think that there are a lot of military and regular civil servant types ( both current and ex) - that are feeling awfully sick to their stomachs at the revelations the indictments brought home. (and have to admit DOJ - not really part of that thought process at all)

[H2O Man]

38. Thank you!

[H2O Man]

17. Yes.

The only question is knowingly or unknowingly? Probably both.

[flamingdem]

19. If the FBI and CIA wasn't on top of this

then they are compromised as well.

They have to have evidence of something....

[sakabatou]

20. It wouldn't surprise me.

[ecstatic]

24. Agreed. Hopefully the involved agencies are investigating.

Did any agents go missing? Did any agents die? It's top secret so I guess the only people who can really investigate would be from the agencies that were compromised. Who gives the order though, and have they done so yet?

[FakeNoose]

25. Chump's employees - formerly loyal - will spill the beans

And we can guess that Jack Smith has already heard their testimony.

Lock him up, throw away the key!

[Blue Owl]

26. Fucker can't keep his fat yap shut for 5 minutes

And we have statements from his guests at Mar a Lago that he showed them off -- all to bolster his big fat ego, no doubt...

[Kid Berwyn]

29. Kid Rock said Trump showed him "a map and BLEEP."

Link to tweet

[Disaffected]

30. Certainly but

we should wait until said hypothetical evidence is actually made known and brought to trial. Even Trump is innocent until proven guilty.

[edhopper]

31. Fuck that shit

he is presumed innocent before the court. But he is guilty as all get out.

[Disaffected]

34. Yeah, that's what they said about a lot of

people who were wrongly convicted of serious crimes (including especially those who were executed or spent life in prison as a result).

Mr. Hopper, if you ever wrongly charged and brought to trial for a serious crime, I sincerely hope folks who think like that are not on the jury.

[edhopper]

36. I am not a court of law

I need not presume his innocence. I have seen enough already to know he was caught red handed.

[newdayneeded]

32. Purely guessing, but I bet

Smith has an actual top secret document somehow recovered from a foreign house, and a paper trail of the sale and delivery from donny.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

33. US and our allies' agents died after these secrets were made available to foreign agents

Link to tweet

[FlyingPiggy]

39. He didn't physically show classified documents to our enemies

He just had them over for “dinner” and left it open for anyone to “discover” in an unlocked room. Lets see how much $ he got paid for doing so…