I had NO idea that Crazy Right-Wing Freeper types hate LINCOLN....

[Bicoastal]

...and no, not the movie. The president. The bearded guy who appears on our pennies and $5 bills and Mount Rushmore and stopped a little problem called the Civil War from destroying the Union and OH YEAH--essentially launched the powerful political party most of them now belong to.

Who wouldn't be proud to call Abraham Lincoln their party's first President? Well, here are some choice quotes from a typically delusional FreeRepublic thread about secession:

I think I’ll just side with Lincoln on this one.

You'd be siding with the American Caesar and original statist. Lincoln Fairly Tales are just so much reconstructed history. It sells books and movies.

Yep. You can thank Lincoln for everything from the EPA, the federal gun laws to 1.5 liter-per-flush toilets. He is the person most responsible for destroying the federalist system our country was founded on.

Some "conservatives" (poor things) still believe their public school indoctrination and think he's a great guy.

F*** Lincoln.

Sic Semper Tyrannis.

I'm with you. Lincoln's "story" is a classic example of how history can be written to be anything you want it to be. Lincoln seriously messed up a great idea (the Constitution)!

Yup. Lincoln was a tyrant, no doubt about it. One of the biggest frauds foisted on the American people was that Lincoln was the savior of the United States. The fact is, he was the singlemost influence in setting in motion the ultimate destruction of the United States as a consitutional republic. But then the victors get to write the histories, so there you have it.

Well, there you go folks. Some Freepers think Obama is ALMOST as bad a president as Abraham Lincoln. I really didn't think that site could shock me anymore, and now they've managed to do it. (And no, this isn't satire. You can check out the thread here)

[JaneyVee]

1. The far-right despises Lincoln with every bone in their body.

[Bicoastal]

7. Well then, before the presidency of Saint Ronald Reagan of Blessed Memory...

...which past presidents exactly do the far-right worship?

I mean, I've heard Glenn Beck call Teddy Roosevelt a left-wing radical. Eisenhower did some pretty liberal things in his time as well, like sending federal troops to Little Rock and creating a national highway system. Nixon and Ford let the commies in Vietnam win.

Who's left? Hoover? Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge? William Friggin McKinley?

Or is it just Reagan and Bushes for them?

[TheKentuckian]

20. No, they also hate the Bushes.

They would also hate the actual Reagan despite being as evil as he could muster but they do love their idealized zombie Reagan.

I suppose they like Coolidge and that sort of gilded age fucks to some degree but probably have issues.

[Taverner]

2. Ahhh, the Treason Deniers.

CSA took up arms against the USA.

That's the very definition of treason.

[davidn3600]

16. Aren't our founding fathers also traitors...by definition?

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all and always well-informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had thirteen States independent for eleven years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each State. What country before ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon, and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
-Thomas Jefferson

[Bicoastal]

19. Ha! Thomas Jefferson was so two-faced...

...when he became President, he used extra-ordinary federal power to double the size of the country, which in no way was permitted by the Constitution. It was popular with the rest of the country, so no one was able to successfully call him on his hypocrisy.

Many thought him a tyrant (like Federalists, for one; like his own Monticello slaves, for another), but I doubt he would have been pleased to have the Tree of Liberty watered by his own blue blood. And knowing his adherence to the Alien and Sedition Acts, I doubt he would have permitted a single rebel state to secede against the US on his watch.

In short, the writings of young Jefferson are not to be confused with the political leanings of old Jefferson. The most schizophrenic president we ever had.

[Taverner]

52. Perhaps...but winners do write the history books

[graham4anything]

3. of course they hate Lincoln

they would still own slaves if not for Lincoln

not surprising they hate Lincoln, FDR, LBJ, Jimmy Carter and Obama
(and the only reason they fake say they like Kennedy is because he died)

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

9. I wonder how they'd respond to the name Jefferson Davis

I hate to even think about it in this day and age.

[graham4anything]

14. you just gave me a funny thought

Imagine if through a quirk of fate, Barack Obama's father name was Davis, and out of the love of the constitution, his parents named him Jefferson.

(though Thomas jefferson himself personally was a fraud, being that although he backed the philosophy that we are all equal, he did not live by those words).

wonder how they would have voted?

and, just wondering if Julian Castro is going to have to deal with the rightwing making innuendo's about his wonderful last name.

(Imagine the commie pinko socialist remarks the Bushies will bring back)
btw, what is a commie pinko socialist anyhow?(and why is that considered bad?)

[Mike Nelson]

4. Once they learn about him, they turn...

...he was the original "BIG GOVERNMENT" man... strong on Federal Government, weak on States Rights...

[Angry Dragon]

5. But they worship their dead actor

[ThoughtCriminal]

43. Which one?

Reagan or Booth?

[Angry Dragon]

46. Raygun

[CanisCrocinus]

6. As I have often said...

...If Lincoln could come back and see what has happened to his party, he would shoot himself in the head.

[Odin2005]

34. Heh, stealing and posting on FB!

He would die of shock when he finds that the GOP today is dominated by the descendants of Southern traitors whose asses he kicked.

[AlGoreRhythms]

8. If it weren't for Lincoln

the US would be 2 different countries and Obama wouldn't be their president.

[undeterred]

10. Lincoln was a founding member of the Sierra Club

and sailed on one of those GreenPeace boats up the Mississippi smokin weed too, I heard.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

15. And he helped Les Paul with his first electric guitar.

That's no joke.

[kestrel91316]

11. Freepers are, almost to the last one, Confederates and Confederate wannabes. They love Dixie and

the idea of slavery even if they don't live down south. Racism is the tie that binds them.

[muntrv]

12. Freepers love Jeffeson Davis. The repuke party reflects that.

[RegieRocker]

13. I hear all the time

The phrase is "Stinkin Lincoln". Reason: Freed slaves.

[RBInMaine]

17. THIS is why today's MOONBAT ultra RADICAL TeaBag Crazyland GOP LOST the election and will LOSE more.

[gholtron]

18. I wonder if they hate him because he had something to do with freeing the slav.....

Nay never mind.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

21. AAAaaaand the truth comes out....

They usually use Lincoln as their security blanket to show the party isn't racist (like some of my best friends are black)

But they are now unhinged and don't care anymore. It's scary. I heard someone screaming "Benghazi" in my neighborhood at 8AM today and I don't know why....

[piechartking]

22. I'm from the South, and let me give you some perspective

Number one, many here don't call it the "Civil War". They call it the "War between the States", or the "War of Northern Agression."

They despise Lincoln because they figure that this marks the beginning point of Federal supremacy over States' rights. Everything went downhill from there.

Oh, and the whole freeing the slaves thing. Of course nobody mentions it out loud, but I get the distinct impression sometimes that a lot of folks down there would have been happy to just roll along with things as they were.

[Aristus]

26. "The War Of Northern Aggression"

This, from the people who seized federal property and fired on federal troops...

[piechartking]

35. Haha well...

Nobody ever said that Southerners made sense! I'm from here, but sometimes I wonder if there's something genetic that mandates that they operate at least 25 years behind everyone else...

[NYC Liberal]

53. Just call it the "War of Southern Treason" when talking to one of them.

[Odin2005]

36. Any Southerner who calls it the "War of Northern Agression" is a fucking asshat idiot.

Here in Minnesota we honor the brave Minnesotans who died at Gettysburg kicking the asses of traitors.

[piechartking]

50. Well it's just more evidence that Southerners are often out of step

with everything around them. My kid is studying the Revolutionary war in 8th grade, and when the British needed "loyalists" to help them in the Revolution, guess where they turned? Yep, you guessed it: Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, etc.

[flamingdem]

23. I'm sure Norquist thinks Lincoln is a poopyhead n/t

[freshwest]

31. Agreed!

[Dawson Leery]

24. Every member of the confederate hierarchy needed to hang.

The confederate rag should be burned.

[Starry Messenger]

25. I've seen that on other sites.

They also hold up the fact that Karl Marx wrote a letter to Lincoln as proof that Lincoln was some crypto-Bolshevik...even though Bolsheviks didn't exist until the following century.

[NoGOPZone]

27. Lincoln's responsible for low flush toilets?

[JHB]

28. It's not surpising once you consider how the wingnuts back then viewed Lincoln...

...FoxRushNewtBilloSean and the gang use exactly the same playbook.

This is a conservative political cartoon from 1860, engraved by Currier and Ives and published in Harper's Magazine:



"The Republican Party Going to the Right House" (recall that back then the Republicans were the "left" party)

Lincoln sits on a fence rail, carried by Horace Greely, leading his followers into a lunatic asylum.
GREELY: "Hold on to me Abe, and we'll go in here by the unanimous consent of the people."
LINCOLN: "Now my friends I'm almost in, and the millennium is going to begin, so ask what you will and it shall be granted."

Younger Woman: "Oh! what a beautiful man he is, I feel a passionate attraction' every time I see his lovely face."
Bearded Man: "I represent the free love element, and expect to have free license to carry out its principles."
Man with trim beard and hat: "I want religion abolished and the book of Mormon made the standard of morality."
Caricatured black man: "De white man hab no rights dat cullud pussons am bound to spect' I want dat understood."
Older woman: "I want womans rights enforced, and man reduced in subjection to her authority."
Scruffy man with bottle: "I want everybody to have a share of everybody elses property."
Barefoot man: "I want a hotel established by government, where people that aint inclined to work, can board free of expense, and be found in rum and tobacco."
Seedy top-hat man: " I wand guaranteed to every Citizen the right to examine every other citizen's pockets without interruption by Policemen."
Man at the end: "I want all the stations houses burned up, and the M.P.s killed, so that the bohoys can run with the machine and have a muss when they please."

18-fucking-60 and it still wins "Republican Campaign Bingo" every time. It's all there, right?
Liberals will embark on profligate giveaways to THOSE PEOPLE? Check.
Flighty, emotional, entranced by charisma/celebrity? Check.
People conservatives consider sexual deviants? Check.
People conservatives consider religious deviants? Check (and how ironic, this particular turn).
Grasping minorities after special rights? Check.
"Feminazis"? Check.
There's a vast army of layabouts, terrorists, and outright thieves who want to take your hard-earned stuff? Check, check, check, and check.

A hundred and fifty years later, and they're playing the same effing tune.

[MadrasT]

37. I am a Civil War geek, and that is...

...just wow.

Thanks, this is *fascinating*.

[janx]

41. Appreciated!

Thank you. I've been revisiting this part of American history lately after a right-winger insisted that it was the religion of the Great Awakening that led to the freeing of slaves. ...

There is history, and then there is "belief" in history, much like supposed belief in historical or scientific fact.

It is the same. Thank you.

[workinclasszero]

29. Why do republicans hate America?

Course 99% of them are chickenhawk draft dodgers like Mitt Rmoney, Rush Limpballs and Ted Nugent.

[freshwest]

30. They NEVER stopped defending the Confederacy, hating Lincoln, Yankees, Carpetbaggers, Sherman...

You have to go back to the tenets of the South when they left the Union. Here is Confederate philosophy, read the dreck (emboldening font mine) and weep:

But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal...

As I have stated, the truth of this principle may be slow in development, as all truths are and ever have been, in the various branches of science. It was so with the principles announced by Galileo it was so with Adam Smith and his principles of political economy. It was so with Harvey, and his theory of the circulation of the blood. It is stated that not a single one of the medical profession, living at the time of the announcement of the truths made by him, admitted them. Now, they are universally acknowledged. May we not, therefore, look with confidence to the ultimate universal acknowledgment of the truths upon which our system rests? It is the first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society. Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature's laws. With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law. Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material-the granite; then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is best, not only for the superior, but for the inferior race, that it should be so. It is, indeed, in conformity with the ordinance of the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances, or to question them. For His own purposes, He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made "one star to differ from another star in glory." The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to His laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else. Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws. This stone which was rejected by the first builders "is become the chief of the corner" the real "corner-stone" in our new edifice. I have been asked, what of the future? It has been apprehended by some that we would have arrayed against us the civilized world. I care not who or how many they may be against us, when we stand upon the eternal principles of truth, if we are true to ourselves and the principles for which we contend, we are obliged to, and must triumph...


http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?documentprint=76

[me b zola]

40. I have recently discovered that particular code/dog-whistle

When they squawk about the constitution, waving it about, or stating that they are "strict constitutionalists" what they are really saying is that people with dark skin don't have the same rights that they do. Everything about these people points to the idea that they are not mere hypocrites, when they do something its okay because they have more rights then the brown/black skinned people & the others that they deem "un-american", they are supremests.

[reformist2]

32. Ignorant racists hate minority groups. Sophisticated racists hate Lincoln.

But make no mistake - the same feelings of fear and hatred motivate both groups.

[Odin2005]

33. In 1860 the Republicans were the Progressives, so of course they...

...would hate Lincoln. He freed the slaves, after all, and they are racist assholes. Abe would be a Dem, nowadays.

[progressoid]

44. Exactly. They only claim him when it is politically useful to do so.

Unfortunately for them, most of what he stood for, they no longer do.

[janx]

38. Lincoln?

That man gave my ancestors land after some of them died--a father and two sons--defending the Union. (This is not a myth from the movies; it actually happened.)

[TheBlackAdder]

39. Lincoln used to have a male friend sleep in the same bed with him when he was away from his wife.

Even after it became socially unacceptable for two men to share a bed when not in a hardship, Lincoln used to have a male friend sleep with him when he was on the road, away from his wife.

I'm not sure if that's the origins of the term 'Log Cabin Republicans' though.

[janx]

42. And your point is what:

to imply that Lincoln was a gay man (*even in a hardship* and away from his wife)? To imply that Lincoln was lonely and cold at night?

Are we supposed to find your last sentence amusing?

[SpartanDem]

45. Loy Mauch, Arkansas Lawmaker, Defended Slavery In Letters To The Editor

A Republican member of the Arkansas House of Representatives has a history of writing in support of slavery and the Confederacy, along with comparing Abraham Lincoln to Karl Marx.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/loy-mauch-arkansas-slavery_n_1948717.html

This is what we are dealing with..

[Honeycombe8]

47. Well, he was intelligent, self-educated, compassionate, resolute, strong,

committed to anti-slavery. So, yeah, I guess it makes sense they'd hate him.

Once again, they're denying FACTS. They are retreating into their bubble of imaginary facts.

[daleo]

48. Right wingers are still mad about the Emancipation Proclamation

Maybe not all of them, but plenty.

[Jack Rabbit]

49. Lincoln abolished slavery

The Freepers consider that the original act of federal interference with the free market.

[mzteris]

51. Of course they hate him...

He freed the slaves.