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Carol Leonnig's WaPo article about DOJ delays in investigating Trump (Original Post) spooky3 Jun 2023 OP
Thank you! 2naSalit Jun 2023 #1
You're welcome. I think this is an extremely important article. Nt spooky3 Jun 2023 #4
It is... 2naSalit Jun 2023 #10
I agree with this Dave says Jun 2023 #18
So inthewind21 Jun 2023 #21
I don't know. 2naSalit Jun 2023 #35
Really? inthewind21 Jun 2023 #40
You mean like using emptywheel as one's bible? Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #41
curious choice indeed, especially as some of them attack past associations to discredit things they Celerity Jun 2023 #56
I've never found her to be the Yoda some here seem to think she is. Usually Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #57
Hillary moreland01 Jun 2023 #28
My first choice. 2naSalit Jun 2023 #36
Mine too. triron Jun 2023 #51
And no fucking "gaps" in her story. onecaliberal Jun 2023 #2
Oh there are gaps in the story for sure. One of the most blatant errors was to say Bev54 Jun 2023 #45
It's an informative article and a good read. SharonClark Jun 2023 #3
Kick dalton99a Jun 2023 #5
Andrew Weissmann went there; gab13by13 Jun 2023 #6
I think he's right. spooky3 Jun 2023 #8
Why wait 2 years orthoclad Jun 2023 #22
All that is needed is for good men to do nothing. It sounds like we had a lot of good men Autumn Jun 2023 #9
+100 Celerity Jun 2023 #37
As one who said here that Garland's reluctance amounted to incompetence Goodheart Jun 2023 #11
I'm angry too. We might lose it all thanks to feckless white men looking the other way onecaliberal Jun 2023 #14
I doubt it has anything to do whathehell Jun 2023 #20
Me too! I'm fucking FURIOUS. Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #16
Appeasement was the mistake. triron Jun 2023 #52
the entire "not looking partisan" is fucking RIDCULOUS Skittles Jun 2023 #17
I am so disgusted! lucca18 Jun 2023 #24
Right. And yet some people are *still* insisting that we were wrong ecstatic Jun 2023 #19
KnR.. MiHale Jun 2023 #7
K&R 2naSalit Jun 2023 #12
What was President Biden's role? Kid Berwyn Jun 2023 #13
Im positive they never spoke about it. onecaliberal Jun 2023 #15
That's what I believe. Kid Berwyn Jun 2023 #55
He has been adamant that he will not interfere in their work. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #26
Big diff from previous administration. Kid Berwyn Jun 2023 #58
Nonsense. President Biden made it clear he would NOT interfere with how the DOJ ran or its JohnSJ Jun 2023 #27
It's a question. Kid Berwyn Jun 2023 #59
Thanks for the clarification JohnSJ Jun 2023 #60
Jesus. Just finished reading the whole thing. Thank you for it, spooky3. But good God. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #23
There is an awful lot on this good man's shoulders. colorado_ufo Jun 2023 #30
I know. The three biggest investigations, while the rest of them are running around Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #34
The pyramid scheme is for drug gangs, not orthoclad Jun 2023 #25
The fact that they think Bubba and his buddies who carpooled to DC together Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #31
Can't let politics look political, eh? orthoclad Jun 2023 #39
He wasn't dragging his feet. TrotskyistTidings Jun 2023 #29
I, for one, am glad he didn't get on the Supreme Court. colorado_ufo Jun 2023 #32
Amy Corona Barrett instead? orthoclad Jun 2023 #38
Good point, but I am wishing that President Obama had made a different choice. colorado_ufo Jun 2023 #42
I think you're correct, and orthoclad Jun 2023 #44
Obama chose Garland because he had moonscape Jun 2023 #48
What a misguided statement. Garland would have been light years better than any trump appointee, JohnSJ Jun 2023 #43
K & R Bookmarked will definitely read this FakeNoose Jun 2023 #33
And now Trump is a candidate instead of a prisoner. dchill Jun 2023 #46
Garland said since this investigation started he would follow the evidence wherever it doc03 Jun 2023 #47
That's damn well what it looks like. triron Jun 2023 #53
What I have learned over the last 7 years or so when it comes to Trump doc03 Jun 2023 #54
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2023 #61
And don't forget the fake electors. They didn't do anything about that either. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #62
Well the Biden administration now has their scandal. republianmushroom Jun 2023 #49
Justice delayed, is justice denied. Think. Again. Jun 2023 #50

2naSalit

(102,780 posts)
10. It is...
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 04:57 PM
Jun 2023

Everyone should read this.

Personally, this makes Garland look really bad and he should probably resign.

Also need Wray to resign.


So who should be the next AG?


 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
21. So
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:44 PM
Jun 2023

When someone buys into media hook line and sinker as gospel because it fits their narrative, enough so, there are calls of resignations, does that mean the MAGAS are justified as well when they do the same?

Scrivener7

(59,521 posts)
57. I've never found her to be the Yoda some here seem to think she is. Usually
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 10:07 PM
Jun 2023

her articles are just rehashes of stuff that isn't new. But I didn't know about her libertarian leanings.

Not surprised, though.

2naSalit

(102,780 posts)
36. My first choice.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:00 PM
Jun 2023

I would imagine there are several who could do the work as it should be done.

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
45. Oh there are gaps in the story for sure. One of the most blatant errors was to say
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 07:05 PM
Jun 2023

that subpoenas for the fake electors went out the day of the J6 committee meeting June 21, when in fact those subpoenas were issued on May 25th. The DOJ already had some of the phones of those involved in the fake electors scheme, including Rudy's phone (Sept 2021) and was disseminating it which would suggest they likely got information from it.

The investigation into Sidney Powell was also started in Sept 2021

There is a good article at Empty Wheel, scrutinizing this WaPo article.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/06/19/the-wapo-shows-there-should-be-more-scrutiny-of-steve-dantuono/

gab13by13

(32,318 posts)
6. Andrew Weissmann went there;
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 04:49 PM
Jun 2023

He said that Garland was so committed to not having a partisan DOJ like the Barr administration that he ended up bending over backwards to appeasement. Weissmann said that Garland and Monaco are sincere, honest people, but they were wrong.

Also mentioned that the FBI wasn't the problem, the buck stops with Merrick Garland.

Blistering Nicolle Wallace show, where Weissmann is explaining how important Time was in investigating Trump.

Just about everyone on Nicolle's panel agreed that the pyramid strategy wasn't just a bust, it was the problem.

Brought up again that when Garland went out of his way to not appear to be partisan, he was in fact being partisan by giving trump and his inner circle preferential treatment.

spooky3

(38,632 posts)
8. I think he's right.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 04:54 PM
Jun 2023

Adam Schiff and others have said for months that they had concerns about the approach DOJ was taking. That was one of the reasons that a non insider like me was worried about the “slow pace.”

Autumn

(48,962 posts)
9. All that is needed is for good men to do nothing. It sounds like we had a lot of good men
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 04:56 PM
Jun 2023

in our government doing nothing for fear of looking partisan. The whole fucking insurrection was partisan.

 

Goodheart

(5,760 posts)
11. As one who said here that Garland's reluctance amounted to incompetence
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 04:57 PM
Jun 2023

I feel vindicated. And STILL angry.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
14. I'm angry too. We might lose it all thanks to feckless white men looking the other way
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:04 PM
Jun 2023
 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
16. Me too! I'm fucking FURIOUS.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:05 PM
Jun 2023

How many of us got scolded for pointing out that Garland was failing to act with needed urgency as our democracy teetered on brink?!

I can't really say what I truly think of Garland because I've already been warned about saying negative things about a "Democrat" (even though he's not an elected official and probably not even officially a member of the Democratic party). I get that he was appointed by a Democratic president, though, in what may well prove to be Biden's biggest mistake.

Skittles

(171,704 posts)
17. the entire "not looking partisan" is fucking RIDCULOUS
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:07 PM
Jun 2023

THEY TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT

lucca18

(1,465 posts)
24. I am so disgusted!
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:53 PM
Jun 2023

Our democracy is hanging by a thread, and it didn’t have to be this way.😢

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
19. Right. And yet some people are *still* insisting that we were wrong
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:15 PM
Jun 2023

to feel that way. I'm not the petty type who insists on apologies and what not, but at least reverse course or make the pivot so that we can all move forward. Garland's delay put us all in grave danger. Point blank period. We should all acknowledge that and move forward.

Kid Berwyn

(24,392 posts)
13. What was President Biden's role?
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:01 PM
Jun 2023

With all that was evident regarding traitor trump, it seems to me that Garland and Wray would not ignore his input.

Kid Berwyn

(24,392 posts)
55. That's what I believe.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 09:25 PM
Jun 2023

I bet Joe made it clear that his first priority was to restore non-partisan justice when interviewing Garland for the AG job.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
27. Nonsense. President Biden made it clear he would NOT interfere with how the DOJ ran or its
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:53 PM
Jun 2023

investigations. He specifically contrasted himself with the Trump administration who did interfere

Scrivener7

(59,521 posts)
23. Jesus. Just finished reading the whole thing. Thank you for it, spooky3. But good God.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:52 PM
Jun 2023

The fact that this is our intelligence community is horrifying.

Thank God we finally have Jack Smith.

Scrivener7

(59,521 posts)
34. I know. The three biggest investigations, while the rest of them are running around
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:58 PM
Jun 2023

like chickens with their heads cut off.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
25. The pyramid scheme is for drug gangs, not
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:53 PM
Jun 2023

the 21st century Confederacy.

It took Lincoln 4 years to defeat the Confederacy on the battlefield.
it took Garland 2 years to appoint a prosecutor.

Frankly, I think the documents case is minor compared to trying to OVERTHROW THE ELECTION and install a FASCIST DICTATOR!

Grrr.

Scrivener7

(59,521 posts)
31. The fact that they think Bubba and his buddies who carpooled to DC together
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:56 PM
Jun 2023

were ever going to lead them to the organizers is mind-boggling.

I don't really believe they ever DID think that. I think they thought it would be a way to avoid controversy. Enough people would buy the "pyramid" explanation that they would never have to go after the organizers and "look political." Because God forbid we allow the organizers of a coup against our democracy say those prosecuting them look political.

colorado_ufo

(6,251 posts)
32. I, for one, am glad he didn't get on the Supreme Court.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 05:57 PM
Jun 2023

I don't think he could have stood up to having any dissenting opinion.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
38. Amy Corona Barrett instead?
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:03 PM
Jun 2023

Ms Opus Dei Superspreader herself?

I agree with your point, but look at what we got instead. No-win situation due to high-roading and bi-partying.

colorado_ufo

(6,251 posts)
42. Good point, but I am wishing that President Obama had made a different choice.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:20 PM
Jun 2023

I am not sure if Garland would have actually been better than her, and I can't stand her. I am afraid that he would not have stood up for anything.

orthoclad

(4,728 posts)
44. I think you're correct, and
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:38 PM
Jun 2023

that illustates my point that we have to stop bending over to please the reich.

We actually lost a lot of ground during Obama. Something like a thousand State seats. We got a Republican health insurance plan in return.

moonscape

(5,722 posts)
48. Obama chose Garland because he had
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 07:13 PM
Jun 2023

the best chance of getting a hearing, though McConnell wouldn’t even allow that. If not for that, Obama would have made a different choice I’m certain.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
43. What a misguided statement. Garland would have been light years better than any trump appointee,
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:23 PM
Jun 2023

and failure to recognize that, or the fact that running the DOJ is not the same thing as what a SC justice does, is nonsense.

I can freely criticize Garland’s role in the DOJ, and still be comfortable that he would have been a fair SC justice.

I also recognize the fact that Garland did finally appoint a special counsel, the right thing, but a year later than it should have been.

doc03

(39,086 posts)
47. Garland said since this investigation started he would follow the evidence wherever it
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 07:07 PM
Jun 2023

led without fear or favor. Now we find out they did not pursue any evidence of Trump and his
cronies for over a year. I say we were fed lies by the DOJ for over a year. Same thing with the documents
the DOJ slow walked that for two years. Meanwhile Trump had secret documents he could have copied or
maybe even sold to our enemies. Why haven't they searched any of his other properties except Mara Lardo?
It's like this has been purposely delayed so as not to have Trump in court until after the election.

 

triron

(22,240 posts)
53. That's damn well what it looks like.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 08:28 PM
Jun 2023

Almost like garland and Wray are complicit.

doc03

(39,086 posts)
54. What I have learned over the last 7 years or so when it comes to Trump
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 09:12 PM
Jun 2023

I expect the worst. But every time it turns out even worse than I ever imagined.

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