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kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:05 PM Jun 2023

Faux News-worst threat to Democracy

I have been asking non-Trump fan Republicans and Trump supporters why they support the party. All of these people are college graduates and are otherwise pretty intelligent people. All of them watch Faux News. It keeps them in the cult. No matter what you bring up they quote Faux News. It just allows them to strengthen their cognitive dissonance. Despite all of the despicable things The Republicans do they are still behind them. What can be done to fix this. It is the key to the problem.

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Faux News-worst threat to Democracy (Original Post) kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2023 OP
Faux nooze and Talk radio.. 24 hours of nonsense BlueWaveNeverEnd Jun 2023 #1
And it's beneath our dignity to fight back. orthoclad Jun 2023 #2
It's become non-embarrassing to watch Faux. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2023 #4
Why? orthoclad Jun 2023 #8
I notice that now people are not as embarrassed. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2023 #10
I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me. orthoclad Jun 2023 #13
We need to fight back. But how? kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2023 #7
Several things orthoclad Jun 2023 #12
We need to call a liar a liar. Repeat it over and over. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2023 #14
Social media is probably a bigger threat. TwilightZone Jun 2023 #3
Yep, Social Media is Faux Noise for the under-30 crowd FakeNoose Jun 2023 #5
I'm talking about people in their 60's. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2023 #9
Facebook is one the biggest pushers of disinfo, and it's older Gen X/Boomer & up dominated Celerity Jun 2023 #15
That's for the crazies. I'm talking "normal" people. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2023 #6
If you think only the crazies are influenced by RW social media... TwilightZone Jun 2023 #20
Totally agree. nt Raine Jun 2023 #16
Sadly, I must agree. Poison. lindysalsagal Jun 2023 #11
But where do people on social media get their news? kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2023 #17
Give 'em something else to talk about... kentuck Jun 2023 #18
The problem is we let them get away with the spinning. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2023 #19

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
4. It's become non-embarrassing to watch Faux.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:18 PM
Jun 2023

People used to be somewhat embarrassed to admit they watch it.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
10. I notice that now people are not as embarrassed.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:29 PM
Jun 2023

I think people like us and the main-stream media no longer make fun of them. Perhaps they’ve given up. If MBNBC was successfully sued for falsehoods people would be going nuts. The left is too afraid or something.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
12. Several things
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:35 PM
Jun 2023

Prosecute Gaetz for pedophilia. We had the evidence, including receipts, but backed off.

Prosecute Gosar for threatening murder.

Air Gym Jordan's dirty laundry.

Fight voter suppression/intimidation laws.

Call a liar a liar. Fox has admitted in court to lying, and got off with the excuse of "we're just entertsinment".

Nominate solid leftists for judgeships. Why do we let the Federalists control the ground?

Enforce the antitrust laws.

Fight climate change.

Feed children.

Fire or neuter the moles that Trump left in civil service and executive positions.

Prosecute DeJoy for ignoring a court order.

Court-martial Flynn.

Expand the Court to 13 to match the number of lower courts.

Statehood for DC and Puerto Rico.

All the things we hoped for in 2021.

Etc.

If we even strongly attempted half these things, we could motivate independents to vote, and would not have lost the House. But we're afraid of offending our enemies. And they are enemies, not just the other side of the aisle. They tried to overthrow the government!

TwilightZone

(25,492 posts)
3. Social media is probably a bigger threat.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:11 PM
Jun 2023

It's certainly much more far-reaching, and far-right social media makes Fox News look moderate.

Celerity

(43,562 posts)
15. Facebook is one the biggest pushers of disinfo, and it's older Gen X/Boomer & up dominated
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:45 PM
Jun 2023

in terms of its user base. I have a 52yo Gen X co-worker, a native white Swede, extremely wealthy, from a hundreds of years old noble family, multiple post grad degrees (including a masters from Oxford), who has become utterly indoctrinated the past 3 or so years, due to Facebook. He was very normal but has since went down the rabbit hole and is a RW loon now. Raging Sweden Democrat (our far RW nationalist party) asshole now, and a massive anti-vaxxer (Covid set him off to a huge degree). He has become a Swedish version of a QAnon type, it is sad.


What Happened When Facebook Became Boomerbook

Leaked documents reveal that a company that was once rebellious and optimistic is now bloated, regretful, and uncool.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/10/facebook-midlife-crisis-boomerbook/620307/

https://archive.is/f8XRo

OCTOBER 5, 2021

Sometimes it’s hard to remember that Facebook is only 17 years old: If it were a person, it could drive but not drink. If Facebook were a person, it would also be fabulously wealthy, incredibly successful, and exhaustingly argumentative. And it probably wouldn’t use Facebook. The disclosures in The Wall Street Journal’s “Facebook Files,” leaked by a whistleblower named Frances Haugen, are incendiary. But one of them probably troubles the company’s executives more than yesterday’s service outage, the proliferation of fake news, or even suggestions that Facebook stoked the Capitol riot and violence against the Rohingya people in Myanmar. According to the company’s own research, young people think Facebook is uncool. In a statement that will chill the heart of anyone who remembers cassette tapes and the original version of Baywatch, one 11-year-old boy told the company’s researchers: “Facebook is for old people—old as in 40.”

The statistics bear out that assessment. Five million U.S. teenagers log in to Facebook every day, compared with 22 million for Instagram, according to the materials leaked to The Journal. Most teens I know regard Facebook as the place where their parents go to argue about politics and their grandparents post vacation pictures. And which self-respecting member of Generation Z wants to hang out in an old folks’ home? So it’s goodbye to Boomerbook, and hello to TikTok or Instagram instead. (There is some consolation in this for the company because Instagram, like the messaging platform WhatsApp, is also owned by Facebook.)

Facebook’s gray shift should change how we talk about the company’s effect on society, and about social media more generally. This isn’t a young person’s problem. Yes, teenagers are particularly susceptible to peer pressure and the social contagions of suicide and self-harm. The “Facebook Files” included an internal study into how Instagram makes teenage girls feel about their body image (not good), while TikTok and YouTube appear to be driving sociogenic illness—what was once called mass hysteria—among the same demographic. But social-media companies are no longer new, and their users are no longer early adopters. Too much focus on impressionable youngsters obscures research such as the 2019 study of Facebook that found that people older than 65 were the most likely to share links to sites that regularly published false stories. (Around the 2016 presidential election, 11 percent of over-65ers shared links to fake news, but only 3 percent of those ages 18 to 29 did so.) Whatever social media is doing, it’s doing it to all of us.

In my own experience, young people who have never known a world without social media are more attuned to its downsides. They might have lived through a sexting scandal at school, or seen a video of bullying passed around by their peers on WhatsApp, and many correctly regard rage-tweeting as a risk equivalent to volunteering for land-mine clearance. One of Facebook’s own researchers found that older children counsel younger ones not to post content they might regret. The Journal quoted the researcher suggesting further studies “to understand if this influence over preteen sharing holds at scale. If it is common that teens are discouraging preteens from sharing, there are obvious implications for creation and the ecosystem both in the near and longer-term as preteens are the next generation coming onto the platform.”

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kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
6. That's for the crazies. I'm talking "normal" people.
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 06:21 PM
Jun 2023

I only have one person on Facebook that posts crazy stuff and most people ignore him except maybe 2 people. He just asked why more people don’t like his posts. I think it bothers him mor being ignored than interacting with him.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
18. Give 'em something else to talk about...
Mon Jun 19, 2023, 07:07 PM
Jun 2023

...such as another couple of indictments. Overwhelm them with news they cannot ignore. Let them spin the facts the way they want.

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