BREAKING:' Likely signs of life have been detected in hunt for missing Titanic submarine.'

[speak easy]

Searchers for Titanic Tourist Sub Heard ‘Banging’ From Area, Internal Comms Reveal

A CANADIAN AIRCRAFT searching for the missing Titan submersible, which failed to return Sunday from an expedition to the wreckage of the Titanic, detected “banging” in 30-minute intervals coming from the area the divers disappeared, according to internal e-mail updates sent to Department of Homeland Security leadership and obtained by Rolling Stone.

“RCC Halifax launched a P8, Poseidon, which has underwater detection capabilities from the air,” the DHS e-mails read. “The P8 deployed sonobuoys, which reported a contact in a position close to the distress position. The P8 heard banging sounds in the area every 30 minutes. Four hours later additional sonar was deployed and banging was still heard.” The announcement did not state what time the banging was heard, or what was thought to have caused it.

The announcement also stated that “the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre is working to find an underwater remote-operated vehicle through partner organizations to possibly assist.” Previous reports on the search for the missing submersible have stated that the Navy’s manned rescue craft can only descend about 2,000 feet underwater, and that if the divers were discovered closer to the approximate 13,000 foot depth of the Titanic wreckage, an underwater drone, or remote-operated vehicle, would be necessary to reach them.

The Boston Coast Guard declined to comment on the reported “banging” sounds, as did the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre in Halifax, Nova Scotia. The U.S. Fleet Forces Command, the DHS, and the U.S. Coast Guard did not respond to requests for comment.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/titanic-submersible-missing-searchers-heard-banging-1234774674/

[spanone]

1. K&R

[orthoclad]

2. I'm sorry, I can't get excited

about a bunch of billionaire thrill-seeker tourists having a misadventure.

Multiple countries are devoting many millions of dollars in resources to the search.

When an Indian woman goes missing in the US, they're lucky to get a cop car to even respond.

[brooklynite]

3. So, no real point attempting to rescue people from the Titanic?

Most of the people in the boats would have been first class passengers.

[dweller]

5. And ?

✌🏻

[stopdiggin]

9. the post was callous and poorly presented

but, also carrying an element of (unfortunate) truth? If all lives are truly worthy of extraordinary (or even 'considerable') effort - then why isn't the Mediterranean teaming with rescue craft - and refugee camps allowed to fester and rot for year after year? (obviously rhetorical question)

So, yes - we (and the rest of the world community) should certainly be rendering any aid we can in the current situation. But, by the same token, we should ALSO ....

[Effete Snob]

17. Hundreds of refugees drowned this week

Nobody gives a shit.

[Polybius]

55. One group of 5 is potentially still alive and trapped

They also legally bought a $40,000 ticket However wasteful it might have been, it was their money.

[Effete Snob]

56. Yes, well, it's not their money being used to get them out

It's legal to board a boat and sail the Mediterranean too.

It was indeed their money, their choice and their consequences. Just like the dead folks who line the path to the summit at Everest, who also pay tall cash to die there.

[former9thward]

63. No, it is not legal to board or use boats in the Mediterranean that are over their capacity.

Which is the reason for most of the drownings.

[Effete Snob]

66. Ah, well, all good riddance then, had it coming to them

Had no idea the penalty was death.

[former9thward]

88. The sub and Mediterranean boats are not comparable.

[Effete Snob]

90. Of course not

One involves the deliberate circumvention of laws and regulations to conduct activities in international waters that would otherwise be illegal within the jurisdiction of the United States.

The other one involves refugees.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/oceangate-titanic-missing-submersible.html

Another signatory of the 2018 letter, Bart Kemper, said in an interview that OceanGate had avoided having to abide by certain U.S. regulations by deploying the vessel in international waters, where Coast Guard rules did not apply.

“This letter was basically asking them to please do what the other submarines do, especially the passenger ones,” said Mr. Kemper, a forensic engineer who works on submarine designs.

[MerryBlooms]

29. Honestly, I think that post was brutally honest.

Your post was very well done in softening the hard truth blows in the OP.

[Effete Snob]

18. Not even a point in mentioning these folks...

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/migrant-boat-capsizes-greece-mediterranean-hundreds-missing/

Hundreds more missing after migrant boat capsizes off Greek coast

The U.N. statement said that the boat had been in distress since Tuesday, but that a search and rescue operation was not initiated until it capsized on Wednesday.

—————

A whole bunch of people are going to spend a pile of money this year to die on Mt. Everest. That’s up to them.

[Silent Type]

4. In the questionable event they survive, let's make them pay full cost of saving them.

[orthoclad]

6. Indeed.

Double the cost, and spend it on the dozens of missing Indian women in the US.

[Deuxcents]

21. Agree

[dalton99a]

15. +1

[sir pball]

42. No. *Ten* times the cost. I want it to financially hurt, badly.

Make it SOP for these useless billionaire thrill-seekers, be it spaceflight, Everest, or the Titanic – you screw up and need bailed out, there goes a large chunk of your wealth. Save their lives, but fuck their bank accounts.

[orthoclad]

96. I worry about the safety of the rescuers

who put themselves at risk.

[ChazII]

99. That is my concern, too. n/t

[MarineCombatEngineer]

100. I'm sure they're worried about their safety also,

but they've trained to do this and I'm sure they're taking all precautions while trying to save the lives of these people.
IMO, they're already dead, but if so, then all efforts need to be used to recover the bodies for the families.

[edisdead]

7. That's #%*ed up.

They are people.

[stopdiggin]

12. +1. pretty darned callous. -(nt)-

[nolabear]

23. Amen. Unfathomable.

Right this minute if they are indeed alive they are terrified, suffering, have no idea if they will live or if anyone has heard those bangs. How anyone can be indifferent to that is beyond me.

[Effete Snob]

40. Unfathomable?

Interesting word choice.

These folks paid a lot of money to see how a lot of other people died.

[orthoclad]

95. They are graveyard tourists

WWII wrecks are considered grave sites which are not to be disturbed. I view the Titanic the same way.

The Titanic is an ocean graveyard. This company is ghoulish by exploiting it. I may have been callous, but Oceangate are ghouls catering to ghouls.

There's a whole chapter in The Perfect Storm which describes what it's like to drown. A few days ago, a boatload of desperate people, men, women and children, experienced that firsthand. Not much excitement about that, just another day in the Mediterranean. No heroic rescue mission.

I feel bad for the kid who got taken along. Did he replace that lawyer who begged off at the last minute? The one who suddenly had urgent client business?

[radicalleft]

51. Anyone who aquires billions...

Has most certainly shown a complete lack of indifference to their fellow human beings...

[DemocraticPatriot]

82. That banging we hear is the sound of the passengers

kicking the hell out of the company CEO for killing them... is my theory.

[EYESORE 9001]

16. Lack of compassion is quite stylish in our society

You’re fitting in nicely.

[BannonsLiver]

57. Some people are just dead inside. Joyless. Not unlike the most devoted TFG supporters.

It’s quite pitiful. That being said, I can understand the frustration of having this story become wall to wall.

[Effete Snob]

62. Joyless?

"Hey, let's go look at a contraption in which hundreds of people died, and a bunch of rich people managed to avoid dying."

Let's not forget what they were paying to see.

Future rich people can go look at their grave now.

[BannonsLiver]

65. So pressed lol

Try and muddle through it. They'll be dead soon if not already and the story will fade away.

[Bev54]

8. There is also a private ship on site (it was close by) that has a submersible vessel but I am not

sure what depth it could go.

[Buns_of_Fire]

10. As of now (midnight), there's an estimated 12 hours

of air left, correct?

So IF that's them, and
IF they locate the submersible, and
IF they can raise it, and
IF it can be unbuttoned fast enough to get air to them...

That's a lot of IFs. Too many for me to feel any real optimism.

[tinrobot]

13. I heard it's more like 24-36 hours

I might be wrong, but I read that they're supposed to run out on Thursday.

[Buns_of_Fire]

14. You're right. It was Thursday noonish that I read, too.

Still a pretty dire situation.

[tinrobot]

11. How in the world can they even be rescued?

I can't imagine what they must be going through down there. Nightmarish.

[flvegan]

19. Wait...an aircraft potentially picked up "banging" possibly from this lost sub

meaning humans striking the hull inside this sub thing registered with this aircraft, but CEO Johnny McSubmarine couldn't sort out outfitting this thing with some sort of tracking transponder before launch? A remote override that would bring it to the surface? I admit it, I'm not smart enough to figure out the logistics of this, but it seems the tech is there but they cheaped out.

But then, also reading what's been posted here, even if they could be brought to the surface, they're locked in some sort of death chamber until outside help can undo the seals...if they can find it, because colors.

I may not be smart enough to figure out the logistics of this, but I'm sure as fuck not stupid enough to ever climb into this contraption.

[thebigidea]

24. Of course it had a transponder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_acoustic_positioning_system

It's used for tracking and short text messages.

Obviously, something went horribly fucking wrong. I wouldn't climb into one either, there's a reason most serious work in this department is done with unmanned vehicles these days.

[flvegan]

32. Okay, it had a transponder. Seems like it's kind of shit though, right?

Used for tracking, is it? That's worked out well. /s

I mean, send some humans thousands of feet under the sea that can't really be tracked properly by the parent company. "It's used for tracking and short messages." Lot of fucking good it did if a plane is the only thing tracking by sound via people banging on the hull AFTER shit went, as you said, "horribly fucking wrong" right?

And if "tracking and short text messages" was viable, they'd be pulling them from the ocean by now.

[thebigidea]

37. Of course it's viable when it friggin' works

Since it doesn't and all communication ceased, they either imploded or had a massive power failure. Not many possibilities, really.

Not sure what there even is to be sarcastic or angry about. Have fun crowing about some rich kid's death, I guess.

[Effete Snob]

41. Think about the context

As the Titanic sank, wealth mattered. These folks were on their way to gawk at the grave of the less fortunate.

Callousness is a matter of perspective.

Maybe in the future, someone will sell tickets to see their final destination too.

[obamanut2012]

49. No, it does not have a tracking beacon

[obamanut2012]

47. It does not have a tracking beacon, that poster is incorrect

[sir pball]

43. ROVs are mostly used because of cost and convenience, not safety

Properly designed, tested, and certified manned DSVs, which this jalopy was none of, are quite safe – there has never been a fatal incident at depth. Well, possibly until now. I'd totally ride the Alvin or a Triton Gullwing.

[obamanut2012]

46. It does not have a tracking beacon, you are incorrect

[LetMyPeopleVote]

20. Hopefully there is time for a rescue

[Hortensis]

28. This. People who believe they can help

others by praying or sending positive thoughts (variations of same thing, imo) are fortunate to have that comfort. At times like this I always wish there really was a way to help.

[Snooper9]

22. They added more questions than answers

Type/Depth/Area

I like to gamble though so the odds should be 874 to 1?



Sonobuoys are classified into three categories: active, passive and special purpose.

Active sonobuoys emit sound energy (pings) into the water and listen for the returning echo before transmitting information—usually range and bearing—via UHF/VHF radio to a receiving ship or aircraft. The original active sonobuoys pinged continuously after deployment for a predetermined period of time. Later, Command Activated Sonobuoy System (CASS) sonobuoys allowed the aircraft to trigger pings (or buoy scuttling) via a radio link. This evolved into DICASS (Directional CASS) in which the return echo contained bearing as well as range data.
Passive sonobuoys emit nothing into the water, but rather listen, waiting for sound waves (for instance, power plant, propeller or door-closing and other noises) from ships or submarines, or other acoustic signals of interest such as an aircraft's black box pinger, to reach the hydrophone. The sound is then transmitted via UHF/VHF radio to a receiving ship or aircraft.
Special purpose sonobuoys relay various types of oceanographic data to a ship, aircraft, or satellite. There are three types of special-purpose sonobuoys in use today. These sonobuoys are not designed for use in submarine detection or localization.
BT—The bathythermobuoy (BT) relay bathythermographic and/or salinity readings at various depths. Laying a pattern of sonobuoys is often preceded by laying one or more bathythermobouys to detect density/temperature strata. Such strata can act as sonar reflectors or, conversely, as waveguides.
SAR—The search and rescue (SAR) buoy is designed to operate as a floating radio frequency beacon. As such, it is used to assist in marking the location of an aircraft crash site, a sunken ship, or survivors at sea.
ATAC/DLC—Air transportable communication (ATAC) and down-link communication (DLC) buoys, such as the UQC, or "gertrude", are intended for use as a means of communication between an aircraft and a submarine, or between a ship and a submarine.
This information is analyzed by computers, acoustic operators and tactical coordinators to interpret the sonobuoy information.

Active and/or passive sonobuoys may be laid in large fields or barriers for initial detection. Active buoys may then be used for precise location. Passive buoys may also be deployed on the surface in patterns to allow relatively precise location by triangulation. Multiple aircraft or ships monitor the pattern either passively listening or actively transmitting to drive the submarine into the sonar net. Sometimes the pattern takes the shape of a grid or other array formation and complex beamforming signal processing is used to transcend the capabilities of single, or limited numbers of, hydrophones.

[Laffy Kat]

26. OK, stupid question: If they are rescued...

Will they have to go through decompression? How? A huge, portable bariatric chamber?

[HuskyOffset]

38. No, the sub interior is approx 1 atmosphere (nt)

[LetMyPeopleVote]

27. For this thread

Link to tweet

[Duppers]

30. It seems that good robotics could have done

All this exploration to begin with.

These are fame & glory seekers with more cash than brain cells.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

35. They wanted something to brag about at the next Caligula orgy.

[Demobrat]

33. I hope they are rescued.

Then I hope they are sent a big fat bill.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

36. they can afford any bill. yes, hopefully - they get rescued.

[LisaL]

39. How are they going to be rescued?

Let's say they are still alive and are making the sounds. What vehicle can go down there and get them in time?

[sir pball]

45. They're apparently sending a drone and 19,000 feet of cable.

I think the plan is have the drone dive down and clip the cable to the sub, then just winch it up like an old-timey Bathysphere. Here's hoping.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

48. They've got to find it first,

and so far, they've found nothing where the noise was coming from.

[sir pball]

54. Oh, I'm not too hopeful either

I was just remarking on the plan if they can locate the deathtrap. I don't think it imploded, that's a rather loud event that gets picked up by hydrophones around the world (cf. Thresher, Scorpion, ARA San Juan), but it could easily have had the janky-ass 1500m-rated window crack, or the Home Depot bolts on the hatch give out – rapid, catastrophic flooding doesn't make a boom, but kills you just as quickly.

[C Moon]

34. Don't mean to sound cold, but wow, this reminds me of "The Thirty Fathom Grave" (Twilight Zone).

I hope everyone is found alive and well.

[JuJuChen]

44. I know it sounds heartless

I know it sounds heartless but let's remember that those are billionaires in that sub and if the situation was reversed they wouldn't give a single shit about you. That goes for outside the sub too.

and also, I don't care how bored I was being so rich I don't think I'd ever say to my kid "hey let's go 2.5 miles deep in a tiny submersible with no tracking that's driven by a Logitech PC controller from 1998"

[obamanut2012]

50. I feel sorry for the teenaged son

And that is it.

[brooklynite]

52. "if the situation was reversed they wouldn't give a single shit about you."

I hate baseless stereotypes like this.

All rich people are heartless? Just like all poor people are caring?

[Effete Snob]

58. I trust the science on that question

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-wealth-reduces-compassion/

How Wealth Reduces Compassion

You know how many rich people walk past this dead rich person every year?

They call this guy "Green Boots"



He's one of the 200 dead wealthy "adventurers" that none of their brethren give or gave a shit about.

[Effete Snob]

61. Let's talk about WHO got off the Titanic and WHO didn't, shall we?

These folks are going to see one of the greatest monuments to the abject cruelty of rich people in a crisis that may exist on the planet.

There was no great effort made by those in First Class to get the less well off aboard the lifeboats could reserved for their betters.

These people ventured down to see the eventual grave of the less economically well off who were forced to pay for that condition.

There is something really poetic about that.

[Effete Snob]

70. Hey, big silent guy, how about the rich people that run the company?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/oceangate-titanic-missing-submersible.html

OceanGate Was Warned of Potential for ‘Catastrophic’ Problems With Titanic Mission

The separate warning that OceanGate received that same year came from 38 experts in the submersible craft industry; all of them were members of the Manned Underwater Vehicles committee of the Marine Technology Society, a 60-year-old industry group that promotes, studies and teaches the public about ocean technology. The experts wrote in their letter to Mr. Rush that they had “unanimous concern” about the way the Titan had been developed, and about the planned missions to the Titanic wreckage.


In an unsigned 2019 blog post titled “Why Isn’t Titan Classed?,” the company made similar arguments. OceanGate said in the post that because its Titan craft was so innovative, it could take years to get it certified by the usual assessment agencies. “Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation,” the company wrote.

Another signatory of the 2018 letter, Bart Kemper, said in an interview that OceanGate had avoided having to abide by certain U.S. regulations by deploying the vessel in international waters, where Coast Guard rules did not apply.

Fucking. Rich. People.

[brooklynite]

72. We seem to be shifting from the passengers to the owner...

If, say, a wealthy billionaire owned a building and didn't maintain it safely, would the residents deserve rescue if it collapsed?

[Effete Snob]

74. Your question was "All rich people are heartless?"

I was responding to your question. Try to follow the discussion.

The people who ran this company certainly seem to be.

Now they are whining that the government, whose regulations they intentionally avoided, isn't working hard enough.



So, yes, the greedy selfish rich people who took the money from other greedy selfish rich people to see the grave of people who were elbowed to their doom by other greedy selfish rich people appears to be part of an orgy of demonstrable heartlessness.

[sarisataka]

79. In the interest of truth

The CEO of the company is in the submersible.

Mr. Concannon is a consultant and not listed as a corporate executive.

[NowISeetheLight]

89. Safety vs Profit

Safety standards would reduce profitability!

[roamer65]

53. This thread reminds me of a scene from the movie "Airplane".

[Carlitos Brigante]

59. Terrible. As of now, anyone know what is the remaining oxygen time estimate? nt

[markpkessinger]

91. Honestly, nobody really knows how much oxygen is left . . .

. . . A lot will depend on whether those in the submersible will have had the sense to try to conserve oxygen by talking as little as possible, not hyperventilating, etc.

[sarisataka]

60. Lots of "wow" in this thread

Much is not good "wow"

[Raine]

83. Agree 😔 nt

[SoFlaBro]

64. That is some fucked up shit to wish death on the adventurers. There's a kid down there for goddamn

Christ sakes.

[Effete Snob]

67. No one is "wishing death" on them

No one is happy when a blond white girl is kidnapped either.

But we're gonna get an update from two branches of the US military on these folks every damned hour.

Why is that?

[brooklynite]

73. The GOOD news is that someone can complain...

...about how the news media is over-covering the story, as opposed to whatever story they SHOULD be covering.

[Emile]

68. WTF, why would you say that?

[SoFlaBro]

85. Because too many fucking posters are making light of this shitty situation.

n/t

[Emile]

93. Then reply to them!

[Oopsie Daisy]

69. I agree. The callousness I'm seeing is disgusting.

[Emile]

71. Welcome to du. Where's the callousness in the op?

[brooklynite]

75. The OP is a news-report

The callousness starts at #3.

[Emile]

76. The two posters I was replying to were replying to the OP.

[SoFlaBro]

86. That fucking third post is fucking trippy.

This is not a funny situation.

[Oopsie Daisy]

77. Yes. There and elsewhere. It's not what I'd expect. Life is full of surprises, I guess.

[Effete Snob]

78. Search DU for "Darwin Award"

Lots of fun to be had when people exercise poor judgment and die as a consequence.

[Oopsie Daisy]

80. I do not see a similarity between this and drunk yahoos flipping quads on deadly terrain. Sad.

[Effete Snob]

81. Really? I don't see a difference

Ah, okay, so the deaths of some people taking risks with transportation technology are distinguishable from others.

It's not as if there is some general concern for the lives of humans who decide to take risks. It matters if they are "drunk yahoos". Those folks, by contrast, deserve what's coming to them.

[Oopsie Daisy]

87. Their trip also differs from parkour athletes who jump from roof to roof & fall to their deaths.

[intrepidity]

84. Was this Titan's first expedition down there?

And I think they (or their estates) should have to pay for all the rescue attempts. A multiple of 10x if they actually survive.

[onethatcares]

92. It's late in the day and I'm wondering

how long it'll take to have another billionaire make a made for teevee movie about this?

I hate to know of people that died for stupid to me reasons, but no one forced them to get aboard and most days you can
watch some teevee program about the Titanic, the Hindenburg, and other human tragedies . Ya don't have to personally experience any of it. FFS, most days I'm taking my life in my own hands just going to the grocery store.

Sympathy, I have. Empathy, I'm lacking in this one.

[honest.abe]

94. This is very disturbing.

This indicates these people are still alive and realize they are in a horrific situation and are about to die.

[NowISeetheLight]

97. TikTok Video

This article includes a TikTok video of the CEO (who is on the submersible) explaining the game controller. It looks like the one on my PS5.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/20/23766998/oceangate-titanic-submersible-tour-logitech-f710

[MarineCombatEngineer]

98. Wow, just wow!!!!

I'm gob smacked by the lack of compassion for these people possibly trapped underwater if still alive, there are some who want the passengers or their estates to pay for the cost of the rescue, even though they, except for the CEO on board, had nothing to do with the construction or lack of safety equipment.

This fucking place sometimes.............