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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAdvisor of Submersible Company That Trapped Its Passengers Condemns Goverment Interference
In case you were wondering how it is possible that someone can make bank by selling trips on a vessel with no backups, no emergency plan, and no way to locate it in operation, meet this asshole:

Tough guy. He's going to name names of government agencies and employees who don't do "their jobs" which are apparently keeping his ass from being rightfully sued into oblivion for wrongful death claims.
This is a new flex for him since, just a few days ago, he was a libertarian decrying government obsession with safety regulations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/oceangate-titanic-missing-submersible.html
OceanGate Was Warned of Potential for Catastrophic Problems With Titanic Mission
Years before OceanGates submersible craft went missing in the Atlantic Ocean with five people onboard, the company faced several warnings as it prepared for its hallmark mission of taking wealthy passengers to tour the Titanics wreckage.
It was January 2018, and the companys engineering team was about to hand over the craft named Titan to a new crew who would be responsible for ensuring the safety of its future passengers. But experts inside and outside the company were beginning to sound alarms.
OceanGates director of marine operations, David Lochridge, started working on a report around that time, according to court documents, ultimately producing a scathing document in which he said the craft needed more testing and stressed the potential dangers to passengers of the Titan as the submersible reached extreme depths.
Two months later, OceanGate faced similarly dire calls from more than three dozen people industry leaders, deep-sea explorers and oceanographers who warned in a letter to its chief executive, Stockton Rush, that the companys experimental approach and its decision to forgo a traditional assessment could lead to potentially catastrophic problems with the Titanic mission.
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The separate warning that OceanGate received that same year came from 38 experts in the submersible craft industry; all of them were members of the Manned Underwater Vehicles committee of the Marine Technology Society, a 60-year-old industry group that promotes, studies and teaches the public about ocean technology. The experts wrote in their letter to Mr. Rush that they had unanimous concern about the way the Titan had been developed, and about the planned missions to the Titanic wreckage.
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Another signatory of the 2018 letter, Bart Kemper, said in an interview that OceanGate had avoided having to abide by certain U.S. regulations by deploying the vessel in international waters, where Coast Guard rules did not apply.
MontanaMama
(24,722 posts)win stupid prizes. This a-hole is working so hard that he's got to get some shut eye in the hopes that he wakes up to find the government solved his problems for him. Fool.
2naSalit
(102,795 posts)He reminds me of that shell oil guy who whined about how long it was taking to resolve the Deepwater Horizon spill and he just wanted his life back. Didn't give a shit about all those people who live along the coast whose lives were destroyed. Was upset that the government was so hard on him... all while he was being coddled by a certain faction of the government.
Orrex
(67,111 posts)Not ad much as the people his company killed, but still.
malaise
(296,116 posts)Great OP
treestar
(82,383 posts)until now.
2naSalit
(102,795 posts)sanatanadharma
(4,089 posts)Ocean Gate web site "leadership page"
You can browse elsewhere from there.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)erronis
(23,882 posts)Like you said - they don't care about the details.
I imagine many of these photos/texts will be scrubbed soon and replaced with "We care deeply......"
Stinky The Clown
(68,952 posts)
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)how did they do that
hang on...

MagickMuffin
(18,318 posts)Shoddy company all the way around.
maspaha
(745 posts)I literally just finished reading the bio of every one of those dirt bags! I have never been more proud of my engineering degrees (BS, MS) from the public, land grant University of my home state! I was taught the importance of integrity and adherence to safety and accepted engineering principles and standards.
Those guys almost seem to have contempt for any process, standard, or person that comes between them, their ego and a dollar bill. What about the folks operating your vehicle?!? Their families?
hatrack
(64,889 posts)Huh. Wonder if it has anything to do with Scott Griffith with white hair being listed as Director of Engineering.
erronis
(23,882 posts)Of course they'd be damned if they pulled it all down. But rich suckers may still want to get in this submersible after it's been raised and cleaned up a bit.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Since future passengers will be able to see the grave of those who perished on the Titanic along with those who perished on the V1.0 submersible.
It's a buy one get one free sightseeing excursion.
erronis
(23,882 posts)Helluva way to make money.
Guess the loved ones of these millionaires won't grieve too much - "S/He really wanted to get to the bottom of this, no matter the cost."
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)We specialize in taking people to dangerous places to see where a lot of other people died from the dangers of going to those places.

FreeState
(10,702 posts)All white men with gray hair. Literally everyone of them on that list.
struggle4progress
(126,157 posts)No one knows what its like to feel these feelings like I do, and I blame you
Recycle_Guru
(2,973 posts)he's whining certain members of government aren't being responsive enough in helping rescue these privateers from their own fuck up in i international waters.
Takket
(23,715 posts)Bev54
(13,431 posts)on the craft. Reprehensible.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Radio waves don't travel in seawater.
I'm not familiar with issues involving acoustic devices at the sort of pressures involved at the depth in question.
For example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_locator_beacon
A 37.5 kHz (160.5 dB re 1 μPa) pinger can be detectable 12 kilometres (0.621.24 mi) from the surface in normal conditions and 45 kilometres (2.53.1 mi) under ideal conditions.
So, the depth of the Titanic is outside of the range of "normal conditions" under which the beacon described in that Wikipedia article operates.
Do you have a specific technology in mind?
Disaffected
(6,403 posts)AFAIK, no.
BumRushDaShow
(169,761 posts)They most certainly do. Otherwise, "whale song" would be a myth.
You might not be able to "hear" (with your ears) certain frequencies within the "radio wave" range, but that energy propagates and you just need something to detect the target inaudible frequencies and convert that into something audible.

Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)No, we cannot communicate with submarines by radio, except at extremely low frequency (VLF) which cannot carry information at a practical rate.
That is why nuclear submarines must periodically send a receiver or antenna to the surface to find out if a nuclear war has broken out.
Seawater is conductive and radio waves do not propagate in a conductive medium.
Here is a Wikipedia article that you might find of interest:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_with_submarines
Because radio waves do not travel well through good electrical conductors like salt water, submerged submarines are cut off from radio communication with their command authorities at ordinary radio frequencies. Submarines can surface and raise an antenna above the sea level, or float a tethered buoy carrying an antenna, then use ordinary radio transmissions, however this makes them vulnerable to detection by anti-submarine warfare forces.
BumRushDaShow
(169,761 posts)and 3 semesters of physics along with 2 of p-chem so when you say "radio waves", I'm talking the "radio" range of the EM spectrum.
A wave is a wave is wave, but can be of different frequencies.
What you seem to be dong is mixing terms. "Acoustic" is "sound" (detectable within the human ear range) and "radio waves" include that "audible" (acoustic) portion of the EM spectrum. However that "radio" range also includes much more, like frequencies not "audible" but actually "felt", like one might experience with a subwoofer or from an earthquake, at the lowest end of the spectrum for example. And in any of these cases, it's a matter of what is needed to "generate" and "detect" certain frequencies of waves.
But you can't hand-wave the notion that "radio waves" don't transmit through (salt) water because they can and do - but like a prism does to the highest frequencies of "light" (in quotes), causing diffraction, any wave traveling through a substance can and will be altered and your detector needs to adjust for it.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)BumRushDaShow
(169,761 posts)for everyone in there except a couple of students.
My graduating class of about 5000 at UMASS/Amherst only had 30 chem majors and half of those were transfers and older students. There were just 15 of us who started and finished at the same time (out of an original starting group of ~100).
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)You brought whales into this. They do not communicate by radio.
We are talking about submarine location or communication. They do not have radio communication or location systems, because any frequency useful for those purpose is not diffracted, as in a prism, but absorbed, as in any other conductive medium.
Perhaps you might tell me the size of a quarter wave or half wave antenna for an acoustic frequency radio signal. Lets say a 100 Hz frequency a bit more than an octave below middle C.
Okay?
λ=c/f
Where λ is wavelength, c is the speed of light and f is the frequency.
At a frequency of 100 Hz, and the speed of light at 3x10^8 m/s, the wavelength is 6 million meters. So, your location accuracy is going to be 3 million meters - 3000 km.
So, sure, with an acoustic range radio locator, we could say, within measurement error, that the sub is in the Atlantic.
BumRushDaShow
(169,761 posts)as some kind of literal "transmitter". I am saying that (audible) "sound" is made up of waves that are a part of the "radio frequency range" of the EM spectrum. When you "talk" you are making "sound" in a frequency somewhere between about 100 Hz - 300 Hz. Our ears can generally "receive" sound within the 20Hz to 20KHz range. Underwater creatures make "sounds" that generate waves that transverse through water.
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Bev54
(13,431 posts)It should be automatically installed on any kind of submersible.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)The people were lost because the gov was unable undo the disaster his company caused. As if there will be anything to salvage from the company.
spinbaby
(15,389 posts)A private company sailing out of Canada launched the thing in international waters, but somehow the United States government is responsible for the rescue.
we can do it
(13,024 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,271 posts)Costing tax payers a small fortune.
What an ass.
PSPS
(15,321 posts)Turns out the CEO had canceled some previous trips over safety concerns, only to get sued by rich would-be passengers. And hed once complained about strict passenger-vessel regulations, saying the industry was obscenely safe, in the wake of a 2018 safety lawsuit filed by a former employee.
Initech
(108,783 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)But then it's "do your jobs!!!"
