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Ohioboy

(3,260 posts)
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 03:18 PM Jun 2023

You can literally watch the fascism as it tries to take control

This latest censure of Adam Schiff is just one example, wherein members of a political party go after a person they deem a political enemy for daring to speak out against their corrupt leader.

Does it get any more unAmerican than that?

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You can literally watch the fascism as it tries to take control (Original Post) Ohioboy Jun 2023 OP
Subtle they are not senseandsensibility Jun 2023 #1
Is that what numbs the rubes and makes them go along with giving up their freedom Ohioboy Jun 2023 #2
I would have to say yes, senseandsensibility Jun 2023 #3
"like trying to understand another species".... anciano Jun 2023 #5
they see what is happening and approve of it rurallib Jun 2023 #8
They believe that THEY are the ones who are wnylib Jun 2023 #17
Yep - racism is at the core of damn near everything that rurallib Jun 2023 #19
This Chi67 Jun 2023 #39
And the President Biden hate is just getting worse. mucifer Jun 2023 #4
After all the dumb and crazy shit Trump said?!? whathehell Jun 2023 #9
Yeah remember when he said that airports existed in the Revolutionary War? Initech Jun 2023 #15
I had actually forgotten that one, believe it or not.. whathehell Jun 2023 #18
Soaring! Soaring, I tell ya! czarjak Jun 2023 #30
It aint coming. It's here johnnyfins Jun 2023 #6
I'm skeered orangecrush Jun 2023 #20
CORRECT Skittles Jun 2023 #23
Yep Traildogbob Jun 2023 #7
When fascism comes to America it will be ESTABLISHED before most folks notice it Model35mech Jun 2023 #10
Yes DENVERPOPS Jun 2023 #35
they need a taste of their own medicine GenXer47 Jun 2023 #11
They're too dumb to realize that they're the brown shirts Artcatt Jun 2023 #14
No, it doesn't, and can't be said any better than you KPN Jun 2023 #12
Give them time Artcatt Jun 2023 #13
It is Adam's birthday. Should have had a big party. twodogsbarking Jun 2023 #16
Been watching it since 1969 Warpy Jun 2023 #21
Well said markodochartaigh Jun 2023 #25
Agree DENVERPOPS Jun 2023 #36
This was so clumsily obvious, it made me cringe at her stupidity. C Moon Jun 2023 #22
There are signs everywhere, but people refuse to believe that it can happen here. Escurumbele Jun 2023 #24
One sure sign that Trump wants to be a dictator is the way he flaunts the pardon power Ohioboy Jun 2023 #33
A fascist theocracy. keithbvadu2 Jun 2023 #26
Yes, it does get more unAmerican than that Martin Eden Jun 2023 #27
OMG, I heard about this the other day, but didn't have time to read about it!!!!!!!!!!! Ohioboy Jun 2023 #34
Here's the link to Propublica's article about this diva77 Jun 2023 #38
America's forces of fascism and democracy are going for the kill shot against each other. Efilroft Sul Jun 2023 #28
Well their recent attack on Democracy didn't go so well for them. Ligyron Jun 2023 #32
Your points are encouraging, and I hope that cowardice prevails among the Orc regulars. Efilroft Sul Jun 2023 #41
This is exactly it Alice Kramden Jun 2023 #40
The GOP in Congress is just bizarre SouthernDem4ever Jun 2023 #29
Fucking Faschists Dirty Socialist Jun 2023 #31
They are not subtle. Hubby & I watched it from before Day One of Trump's time in office... Hekate Jun 2023 #37
You are right and it should not be this way. Snackshack Jun 2023 #42
We Are In Jeopardy colsohlibgal Jun 2023 #43

Ohioboy

(3,260 posts)
2. Is that what numbs the rubes and makes them go along with giving up their freedom
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 03:24 PM
Jun 2023

They telegraph their intentions so much that it normalizes the takeover?

I'm still shocked at how many people in this country can't see what is happening right in front of them.

senseandsensibility

(17,366 posts)
3. I would have to say yes,
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 03:27 PM
Jun 2023

but of course, trying to understand them is like trying to understand another species. They are completely unable to judge what is in their own best interest.

rurallib

(62,542 posts)
8. they see what is happening and approve of it
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 04:19 PM
Jun 2023

The constitution means little to them except when it gets in heir way.

Most love it when "leaders" dish out pain to those they hate. That's all they care about.

wnylib

(21,998 posts)
17. They believe that THEY are the ones who are
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 05:28 PM
Jun 2023

the "true" defenders of freedom and the constitution and that WE are the destroyers of it. And they are as fanatical in their beliefs as the Spanish Inquisition was in theirs.

Racism is the core of their belief in what "true Americans" are. POC and immigrants of any color are "tolerable" only if they are willing to accept the superiority of white, RW Christian culture and imitate it.



Chi67

(1,096 posts)
39. This
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 07:57 AM
Jun 2023

It’s not that they don’t see it, they want it. It’s time to stop giving them the benefit of doubt. The GQP has to go!

mucifer

(23,676 posts)
4. And the President Biden hate is just getting worse.
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 03:28 PM
Jun 2023

I wish he didn't say "G-d save the queen" at the end of his speech. They won't let that one go.

johnnyfins

(878 posts)
6. It aint coming. It's here
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 03:55 PM
Jun 2023

I hate to say it. But its full on here. Fascism has come to America. What are you prepared to do about it?

Traildogbob

(8,958 posts)
7. Yep
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 04:00 PM
Jun 2023

It is here. Ending elections will be the last straw. After the NC Moore case gets taken by SC that allows Legislators to throw out electors, it will be our end. That with all other suppression and restrictions our vote will mean nothing. That MUST be a priority. Save the vote!!!!

Model35mech

(1,683 posts)
10. When fascism comes to America it will be ESTABLISHED before most folks notice it
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 04:28 PM
Jun 2023

Right now, IMO, we are in the last chapter of the pre-fascist takeover

At the moment takeover looks an awful lot like Republicans looking like tough guys for God and Country.

The truly unfortunate part is, it's on the curve of escalation and the only way up is truly terrible for the nation.

Ours will be a fascism that puts christian myths and twisted interpretations of belief in front of the rule of law.

In a nation that swears there is a separation of Church and State!!!!

DENVERPOPS

(9,030 posts)
35. Yes
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 11:32 PM
Jun 2023

They have been chewing away, in bites for 40+ years, and they are a millimeter away from accomplishing their goal.......
they have been using any corrupt method they can, to destroy the reputations of good people who were getting in their way.
Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, Kerrey, Obama, Hillary, the list is endless...............

Who said, "when Fascism arrives, it will come wrapped in the flag, and carrying a bible".......sound familiar????????????

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
11. they need a taste of their own medicine
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 04:29 PM
Jun 2023

I firmly believe that these neanderthals never think about the moment when the dictatorship they are trying to build turns its hungry maw toward THEM.
Are we taking such a "high road" that the lesson is lost?

Warpy

(111,605 posts)
21. Been watching it since 1969
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 05:52 PM
Jun 2023

when Nixon took over and the liberals went out of power. Watched the buyup of the media starting in the 70s, watched megamerger fever give us the near monopolies from the 80s forward, watched the policy of wage suppression beggaring and disempowering the people, the televangelists all primed to give them an overabundance of false hope while telling them whom to hate.

We observant types issued plenty of warnings, but were dismissed as left wing kooks, which we were not.

Escurumbele

(3,433 posts)
24. There are signs everywhere, but people refuse to believe that it can happen here.
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 06:32 PM
Jun 2023

I have told many of my friends who do not see it that watching republican actions and seeing the symptoms is synonymous to a doctor seeing a patient and just be looking at the patient and listening to the symptoms he/she will know what the patient has, that they go an have the patient get lab reports to assure themselves to avoid suits is one thing, but they know. And so we should all know what republicans are after.

Also, if republican idiots who follow the criminals were to understand what happens when dictatorships take over, they would also understand that when dictators get in power, they also kill, imprison, misappropriate businesses of those who helped them get there. Once in power, those the dictator used but are no longer needed will also suffer. Dictators by nature are narcissistic and paranoid, they have to slim down the government they will rule upon because the less people around them they easier they are to control, and the less people who can turn against them. It doesn't matter how hard they worked to get the dictator in power, if they are no longer needed, they will suffer, there is only loyalty to the dictator, but zero from the dictator.

Ohioboy

(3,260 posts)
33. One sure sign that Trump wants to be a dictator is the way he flaunts the pardon power
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 10:43 PM
Jun 2023

It's no secret that Trump has said he would give out pardons to Jan 6ers. What a ready made little Gregorian Guard they'd make him.

keithbvadu2

(37,267 posts)
26. A fascist theocracy.
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 06:52 PM
Jun 2023

Religion and politics use each other to gain power and wealth.

Those millions of republicans want an authoritarian gov't but they mistakenly think they will be the few thousand elites actually in charge.

Those millions are useful tools for those who will actually be in charge.

One poster called it a 'new social feudalism age'.
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When a theocracy takes over America, which church (Christian of course) will be in charge?
Will the others accept their rule?
Many Catholics/Protestants consider the other to be false Christians.
Would they accept Mormons as the rulers?
The new rulers will be political Christians rather than Christians of faith.

Consider CBR – Cash Based Religion.
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Martin Eden

(12,907 posts)
27. Yes, it does get more unAmerican than that
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 07:49 PM
Jun 2023

Gym Jordan is using the power of the House Judiciary Committee to go after universities and other private entities doing research on the surge of misinformation on the 2020 presidential election and other contentious issues dividing the American people.

Jordan claims such research is an assault on conservative speech while using government power to harrass and intimidate speech he doesn't like.

It should be noted that the pernicious disinformation being studied is synonymous with conservative speech these days.

Ohioboy

(3,260 posts)
34. OMG, I heard about this the other day, but didn't have time to read about it!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 10:56 PM
Jun 2023

It's like the book "1984"!

diva77

(7,726 posts)
38. Here's the link to Propublica's article about this
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 11:56 PM
Jun 2023
Republican Rep. Jim Jordan Issues Sweeping Information Requests to Universities Researching Disinformation
In the letters, Jordan asserted that the schools may have contributed to the Biden administration’s “censorship regime by advising on so-called misinformation.”


https://www.propublica.org/article/jim-jordan-information-requests-universities-disinformation



Correction, March 22, 2023: This story’s headline has been corrected to remove an inaccurate description of Rep. Jim Jordan’s requests for information, which were not subpoenas.

House Republicans have sent letters to at least three universities and a think tank requesting a broad range of documents related to what it says are the institutions' contributions to the Biden administration’s “censorship regime.”

The letters are the latest effort by a House subcommittee set up in January to investigate how the federal government, working with social media companies, has allegedly been “weaponized” to silence conservative and right-wing voices. So far, the committee’s investigations have amplified a variety of dubious, outright false and highly misleading Republican grievances with law enforcement, many of them espoused by former President Donald Trump. Committee members have cited supposed abuses that include the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago, its investigations of Jan. 6 rioters and the Biden administration’s purported use of executive powers to shut down conservative viewpoints on social media.

Now, universities and their researchers are coming under the spotlight of the committee, which the Republicans have labeled the House Judiciary Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government. The letters, signed by Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who is chair of both the House Judiciary Committee and the subcommittee, were sent in early March.

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The letters have prompted a wave of alarm among those in the field that the congressional inquiry itself, no matter what it finds, will lead universities to pull back on this research just as the 2024 election gets underway. “Recent efforts definitely have a chilling effect on the community of experts across academia, civil society and government built up to understand broader online harms like harassment, foreign influence and — yes — disinformation,” Graham Brookie, who leads studies in this area at the Atlantic Council, told ProPublica.

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Efilroft Sul

(3,598 posts)
28. America's forces of fascism and democracy are going for the kill shot against each other.
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 07:53 PM
Jun 2023

The fascists are going scorched earth to reshape our nation as we know it. They will take out those among them deemed insufficiently loyal to their dear leader, key elements of the opposition, and democracy itself. Make no mistake, if their Tree of Liberty must be watered by anyone to the left of them blah blah blah, so be it. The only statistic that will matter to them is the opposition body count, buried or incarcerated.

The forces of democracy, in contrast, are going for precision convictions in court, and the fascists' fates are tied to Trump's. They will go all-out to punish Schiff, impeach Biden, and besmirch our legal and intelligence agencies. The fascists know the clock is ticking against them and are desperate to do unto us before we do unto them.

Meanwhile, Putin smiles upon his useful idiots.

Ligyron

(7,669 posts)
32. Well their recent attack on Democracy didn't go so well for them.
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 10:31 PM
Jun 2023

The insurrectionists are being thrown in jail left and right, especially their grunt leaders, maybe not long enough for a lot of people's liking but still won't be any fun and a lot are shitting their pants wondering if they're next.

When their dear leader summoned his troops from across the nation to Miami, not a lot showed and there was no repeat of violence whatsoever cause they saw what happened to the last bunch.

Must not have had the courage of their convictions or a lot of the bad one's are in jail or charged and off the field for the foreseeable future.

So there is that anyway...

Efilroft Sul

(3,598 posts)
41. Your points are encouraging, and I hope that cowardice prevails among the Orc regulars.
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 10:00 AM
Jun 2023

Conservative Twitter, I think, senses unease among the regulars, too. MAGA's top "influencers" (gad, I hate that term) are doing their utmost to keep everybody outraged about everything. My guess is that they hope their followers' anger will overcome their fear and/or what's left of their sensibilities for "when the time comes." If and when we reach that tipping point, all these top Orcs have to do is give their grunts a little push.

Alice Kramden

(2,179 posts)
40. This is exactly it
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 08:09 AM
Jun 2023

This pivotal and terrible time is actually, as you say, "America's forces of fascism and democracy going for the kill shot against each other." Well said.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
31. Fucking Faschists
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 09:34 PM
Jun 2023

And they voted on an initial run of impeaching Biden. I am surprised they don’t goose step to their seats in the Capitol building

Hekate

(91,346 posts)
37. They are not subtle. Hubby & I watched it from before Day One of Trump's time in office...
Thu Jun 22, 2023, 11:53 PM
Jun 2023

It was one of the most jaw-dropping things ever and just went on and on and on. And is still going on.



Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
42. You are right and it should not be this way.
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 11:37 AM
Jun 2023

There are rules / laws that deal with almost all of crimes the gop has done. Application of the law would have put a huge roadblock maybe even stopped the creep of said fascism.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
43. We Are In Jeopardy
Fri Jun 23, 2023, 11:55 AM
Jun 2023

We are so close to sliding into fascism mode, so close. Hopefully we avoid that slide.

I am amazed that wackos like MTG and Lauren B attract enough losers to win. I remain glad that I am a short drive to get to Canada if it totally unravels here.

The 2024 election will be huge, get out and vote like your way of life depends on it!

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