James Cameron on the fate of the Titan

[speak easy]

“Many people in the community were very concerned about this sub,” Cameron said in an on-air interview. “A number of the top players in the deep submergence engineering community even wrote letters to the company, saying that what they were doing was too experimental to carry passengers and that it needed to be certified and so on.

I’m struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship, and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field on a moonless night and many people died as a result. For us, a very similar tragedy where warnings went unheeded to take place at the same exact site ... I think it’s just astonishing. It’s really quite surreal.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jun/22/james-cameron-titan-sub-implosion-titanic

[sarisataka]

1. There are striking parallels

Of overconfidence and hubris in both losses.

[NowISeetheLight]

2. Hubris

Hubris is exactly the right word.

[Walleye]

5. The deadliest of the seven deadly sins

[dem4decades]

3. Yikes, that's pretty damning.

[Recycle_Guru]

4. virtually no one in deep diving community agreed with Ocean Gate

I wonder what nickname should be given to this scandal.

[malaise]

6. Orca Bait?

[Recycle_Guru]

7. lol

Deep Water Gate Ocean Gate Gate

[moreland01]

9. Unironically,

OceanGate is the perfect name for this disaster/scandal.

[malaise]

12. Agree

Expect a declaration of bankruptcy

[c-rational]

11. Murder, police...

[dalton99a]

29. FWIW There was a death cult named Heaven's Gate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)

[ananda]

8. It really is pretty weird.

Twilight Zone weird, and that show did an
episode on the Titanic too.

[spanone]

10. Wow...

he's right.

[CanonRay]

13. Titanic manages to claim 5 more lives after 111 years.

[lindysalsagal]

14. Patriarchy: The World According To ME

Very old human story.

[live love laugh]

15. If you are superstitious ABC just said the sub made 13 trips.

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[kentuck]

16. It was like a deathwish by someone.

At the very least, they could have had a tracking bobber. Off into the deep dark void.

[dalton99a]

17. The CEO of the company prided himself on breaking the rules

the rules of physics

[calimary]

22. I noted that quote when I saw the news clip of him saying that.

He was ready and willing to break the rules for the sake of success, and he was pretty cocky about it. He said so with bravado. Unfortunately for his four fellow casualties, it looks like the rules finally broke him.

Just reminded me of Leona Helmsley and her arrogant statement that "only the little people pay taxes." Well, she was certainly taught a lesson!

[Kennah]

23. Safety is just pure waste

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/safety-is-just-pure-waste-titanic-sub-creator-stockton-rush/

The boss of the firm that created the missing Titanic submarine gave an interview last year in which he said “at some point, safety is just pure waste”.

As the search efforts for the missing submersible, Titan, become increasingly desperate, the 2022 interview with boss Stockton Rush re-emerged.

He was discussing the design and mechanics of the crafty on the ‘Unsung Science’ podcast on CBS.

He told journalist David Pogue: “At some point, safety is just pure waste. I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question."

[uponit7771]

30. He sounds like a grade a asshole

[Kennah]

32. Qualified to run the Triangle Waist Company

[Joinfortmill]

28. Yup, all reason was lost here.

[Roc2020]

18. The living has no business miles below the ocean

disturbing a century old sunk vessel, the permanent graveyard of hundreds of people. Leave the dead alone.

[John1956PA]

20. A few months ago, I posted on Fb that there is no need to further photograph the site.

Thank you for posting your comment. I agree with you 100 percent.

[Roc2020]

21. 100%. They need to leave that site alone.

[dalton99a]

25. +1.

It took him eight days to find the ship. In the four days he had left, Ballard filmed the wreck.

He said that his team's mood changed quickly as it got closer to the wreckage site.

'We realized we were dancing on someone's grave, and we were embarrassed,' Ballard said.

'The mood, it was like someone took a wall switch and went click.

'And we became sober, calm, respectful, and we made a promise to never take anything from that ship, and to treat it with great respect.

'You don't go to Gettysburg with a shovel. You don't take belt buckles off the Arizona.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12214471/How-Robert-Ballard-wreck-Titanic-1985.html

[Cha]

19. Wow.. TY & James Cameron

and his excellent statement.

It is Surreal.

[NBachers]

24. Be prepared for a flood of "Deadly Curse of the Titanic" clickbait titles.

[Kennah]

33. I support this, under the idea that Muskrat will pursue a better submersible

[SouthernDem4ever]

26. What I fail to understand

is why people would think a trip in that submersible would be fun or exciting? First of all it's freezing and second, judging from the pictures of the vehicle, it only had one small portal window? What the hell can you see out that? The pictures on the internet are better. I guess it's so you can say you went down there? I don't get it.

[uponit7771]

31. +1, down nearly 2 miles is dark as hell & without a whole flood light system there's not much to see

[Joinfortmill]

27. I understand the 19 year old boy didn't want to go. Try living with that. Horrendous.

[SunSeeker]

35. His aunt said the boy went, despite his fears, because he wanted to bond with his dad.

What I think of that dad is best left unsaid.

[Joinfortmill]

37. Me too.

[twodogsbarking]

34. How soon until you can book a trip to see the wreckage of the sub?

[speak easy]

36. 2 for 1

whatta deal. roll up roll up.

[Iggo]

38. Meta Tours.

Okay, okay, I’m done now.

[speak easy]

40. with Zuckerberg as captain

what.could.possibly.go.wrong.

[Stuart G]

39. In a way this is like climbing Mt Everest...

You need total experience in climbing with extensive safety training and precautions.

I don't know if these people had that kind of training.
Clearly they did not know what to expect down there.