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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm fat. I take Wegovy. Ask me anything.
The fat shaming here is getting to me. Just in case anyone is curious about what my life is like, what I eat, what my history with weight loss is, what I know about others weight issues and attempts at loss are, or anything else, including what this drug is like, just ask. I promise honesty. I may decline to self-protect but I wont deceive.
I do this because I hate the insults and assumptions I see here, and everywhere.
FarPoint
(14,765 posts)No shaming from this one...
I am pure clinical with warm hands and heart...I have cared for many gastic bypass clients too. I am not familiar with this drug you mention...I will look it up.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Specifically prescribed for weight loss.
WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)for diabetes. It hasn't changed his numbers but he seems to get full faster.
Miguelito Loveless
(5,752 posts)And I am eating less and shed about two inches in my waist. I am waiting for my next checkup for an official "weigh in" to see how much weight I lost.
WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)My sweetie will have his fourth injection and then next week he steps up his dose.
Miguelito Loveless
(5,752 posts)WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)have you gotten a new A1C?
Miguelito Loveless
(5,752 posts)was 6.9 last time.
FarPoint
(14,765 posts)I have been wanting to read up on this medication for weight loss.....keep us updated on side effects, good, not so good etc...this is a relatively new use for the drug.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)She and I used to volunteer at the hospital she retired from. The volunteers ran the gift shop, and all the profits from that went to things the hospital and patients needed. (Retail can be very profitable when there is no payroll, rent, taxes, etc.) Usually a department head would come to our meeting and request funds. One time the Family Medicine Clinic was asking for 15k to purchase a scale. It seems the scale they use in the clinic would only go up to 500 lbs. When someone weighed more than that they had to take them out to shipping and recieving and weigh them on a freight scale.
We were horrifed to hear that. Imagine being a patient and having to go through that. They wanted a scale that could handle heavier weights and be used in privacy right in the clinic. It took us about five minutes to approve the money for that purchase.
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)but that is a very common response with the medical staff that I have spoken to.
There are currently 3 or 4 medications that were developed for treatment of diabetes, but which have shown significant promise with regards to weight loss. The big two are Mounjaro and Ozempic. The action of the medications is GLP-1 Agonist.
My own doctor, who I consider to be very good and up on a lot of research, also did not know about Mounjaro. My medical weight loss specialist was not surprised.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)It's not right but those of us who are older grew up with it being ok to make fun of overweight people. We need to change.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)I usually confine my comments to his abominable sartorial choices, the most horrifying being the Halloween costume he chose to wear to Buckingham Palace. That and his drippy orange make-up.
To the point: this country once had a very overweight president, and he dressed like a gentleman of his day in well-tailored 3-piece suits.
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)The gall of that hideous POS.
Chellee
(2,300 posts)Being heavy doesn't have to mean that you look bad in your clothes. You can dress well. TFG has enough money to have well tailored suits, and yet, he always looks like a pile of laundry. His get up at Buckingham Palace was mortifying. This!?! was our representative in Britain!?! OMG, please make it stop.
Anytime he opened his mouth in front of a foreigner, I was embarrassed. For contrast, I'm furious when he speaks to us. But he didn't even have to say anything that time. My God. The jacket was too small, the pants were too big, he just looked idiotic.
I will admit that it's harder to get well fitting clothes when you're poor. And harder still, when you're heavy, because fast fashion doesn't make clothes for bigger bodies. They just take the pattern for smaller sizes and expand it. Which is not how bodies work, and why the armscye is halfway down the upper arm making the whole shirt look schlumpy. Errgghh! I've digressed. Sorry.
Anyway, Trump's doesn't have as much money as he says he has, but he's got plenty of money for tailors. He doesn't need to dress like this, and why does he? It's inexplicable.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)
on Metformin once a day?
You bet I have questions. Thank you.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)My husband takes Metformin and Ozempic (same drug) for diabetes so I think its okay.
Side effects vary from person to person. Mine are intermittent mild nausea, gas, and going back and forth between diarrhea and constipation. It seems to depend on what I eat so Im learning to manage it. Magnesium citrate is my friend.
But the weirdest side effect is that I was in such pain when trying to do anything at all, a combination of arthritis and some weird, hard to diagnose generalized pain that I was using a cane and struggling to do things. Two days after I started it, it was GONE. My knees still are arthritic but the cane is gone, I can do things. I looked it up and sure enough its a strong anti-inflammatory. I want research!
spinbaby
(15,389 posts)Id heard about the weight loss and stomach upset, but anti-inflammatory is new to me.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)There is evidently some evidence of weight gain after you stop taking this drug.
I am taking Trulicity whish is a 2014 version of Ozrmpic.. I was on victozia for a long time and my doctor moved me to the lowest dosage of Trulicity about five months ago. My A1C went from 6.3 to 5.3. My doctor upped the dosage of trulicity but cut my insulin dosages bu a great deal. I have lost twenty to thirty pounds
Trulicity is a weaker drug than ozrmpic with respect to A1C and weight loss. I am happy with trulicity I will see my doctor in august and he may further up the Trulicity dosage
There are reports of type II diabetics being able to cut out insulin and rely on the weekly shot I am taking far less long acting and short acting insulin. I would live to further cut back on the insulin.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)nolabear
(43,850 posts)Theres no withdrawal or negative effect from stopping but the benefits go away. Interestingly, it seems to be good for addiction as well. It inhibits somewhat that dopamine rush people get from using or thinking of using alcohol or drugs. Its a very interesting bunch of drugs. I should probably buy stock. 😄
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,461 posts)When I cut out sugars the aches and pains go away.
I watched a discussion with some longevity gurus and serious researchers. The researcher was discussing how even obese diabetics taking metformin were having better outcomes than healthier skinnier non diabetic people.
See about 53 minutes (the whole discussion is worth it)
This is Brian Greens World Science Festival program.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)nolabear
(43,850 posts)First, knees that need replacing. Arthritis. I also have lipedema, a condition where fat cells in the legs retain lymphatic fluid and swell to the point of pain and difficulty walking. Liposuction is the only recourse. So Im darned well going to try to lose any non-lipedema weight I can before going through any of that.
Ray Bruns
(6,362 posts)Recycle_Guru
(2,973 posts)LoisB
(13,028 posts)nolabear
(43,850 posts)I know the end had a point but it is hard to listen to.
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)I missed it because my shoulders were up around my neck so high by then that it was hard to hear.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)I dont think the poster meant to be. But it was.
mopinko
(73,726 posts)phylny
(8,818 posts)I am being treated by a physician who specializes in obesity. Obesity is a disease. Let me say it for the people in the back. Its not a lifestyle choice, it has nothing to do with self-control, it has nothing to do with calories in, calories out, exercise. Obesity is a disease.
Its hard to explain how much of my life has been spent eating, not more, but less than most people. Being hungry. Arguing with myself over whether I have somehowI dont knoweaten in my sleep? 😄
Bettie
(19,704 posts)don't know how I even exist on what I eat in a day...yet, I am fat.
A lifetime of dieting got me to the size I am...diet, regain, diet, regain...once I stopped, I stabilized and have been in a 6-10 pound range for the last 13 years, a little higher in winter, lower in summer, same clothing size all year round.
I tire of people thinking that I don't understand nutrition or exercise or anything else because I am a fatty. Ah well, my husband and kids love me as I am.
NickB79
(20,356 posts)And by reducing your hunger cues and reducing consumption, it causes weight loss.
So obesity very much is a calories in/calories out situation at it's most basic level. It's just that very few people have the kind of self control needed to resist all the heavily processed, intentionally addictive food temptations in modern society, and do so for a lifetime.
My wife is in the same boat. She'll likely end up on Ozempic within a year, because she's struggling with diabetes and her weight loss has stalled out.
phylny
(8,818 posts)Carbs are my enemy. 1500 carb-heavy calories vs. 1500 protein/fat calories are not equal for me.
It has nothing to do with self control. Obesity is a disease. Its very, very complicated.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)I have eaten 1200 calories a day for months at a time and lost little or nothing. My thin husband eats much, much more and is thin. Sadly he also has the supposedly weight related health issues I dont have. Diabetes, heart disease (from a body produced cholesterol). He actually takes pretty good care of himself but he doesnt diet. Metabolisms vary and change over time.
Recycle_Guru
(2,973 posts)Fat shaming is not good for the person it is directed to. Medical professionals are trying to meet the patients where they are and formulating body positive but health related care options.
https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/health-and-wellness-articles/can-you-be-overweight-and-healthy
nolabear
(43,850 posts)The arthritic knees certainly arent helped, but no diabetes, no blood pressure issues, etc. I do have sleep apnea but use a CPAP.
But that playing with the grandchildren thing is real.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)I weigh about 30 lbs. more than I should, but I was really skinny until I was around 30. I can't believe how much I ate back then and still couldn't get above 120. The other guys used to call me pencilneck, which bothered me enough that I don't mind being a little heavy in my later years.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Part of my weight is a condition called lipedema, which is progressive. It doesnt respond to weight loss efforts. But some is ordinary overweight thats very resistant to loss.
I did once lose a lot when in my late thirties early forties, working with Richard Simmons. I still had to work out an hour a day, have a very low calorie intake, and still couldnt wear ordinary pants because lipedema in my legs made them very large.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)I work on a very busy, diverse unit (Transplant, vascular and plastics) anyway, we used to have a couple of surgeons who would do something called the Charles procedure for severe lipedema. (Look it upits very intense) I had one patient whose fat cells kinda acted like cancer cells in the way they divided. Another who came in for her procedures so many times- arms, thighs, legs, pannus. She was so freaking brave. Another with Lipedema in their legs, one was so bad he used a kind of sling to move the one legs so he could get out of chair. Nicest guy ever.
People have no idea how hard it is. You are brave too.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Compression, MLD massage, trying like hell to lose the other weight, vibration (except that kills the knees), food choices
it can eat your life.
Is the Charles procedure where they squeeze out clumps of fat cells? Nopenopenope
although desperate is desperate.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)They hack off the involved tissue. Its not curative either
nolabear
(43,850 posts)No, nothing is curative. Just trying to stay ahead. Now I have to go look it up. With trepidation
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Sounds horrific!
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)The Lipedema is where your fat cells dont behave properly the one with the multiple surgeries was Lipedema, the guy using a sling on his leg was lymphedema.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Im ridiculously tied in to the lipedema community, mostly because were all looking for a miracle.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)Its risky and many surgeons wont do it. Im not sure we still have a surgeon who does
lark
(26,081 posts)The nausea at first was bad enough, but when this bad pain hit, we almost went to the ER. At that point he quit. Wish he could take it as he really needs to lose weight.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Its not too bad for me but its a thing. Ive learned to only eat liquids on days it ramps up and that helps.
WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)I hope he doesn't give up on improving his health.
lark
(26,081 posts)We used to use Weight Watchers, but they changed the program and it doesn't work now.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)I dont know much about it but have heart it might work for those who cant tolerate the semaglutides.
lark
(26,081 posts)Thank you.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)lark
(26,081 posts)WhiteTara
(31,260 posts)reviews from some people I know. It works somewhat differently than Ozempic.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)
made sense to me because I understood the food group concept. I achieved my goal and stayed in good shape for quite a few years. Then WW was sold, and when I tried to go back, it was just one marketing idea after another.
* American Heart Assn, Diabetes Assn, etc.
lark
(26,081 posts)Thank you for this information.
Jirel
(2,369 posts)Im taking the lowest dose, and it works wonderfully. When my doc tried to turrets up, I had horrible constipation and nausea. I wish you both the best.
lark
(26,081 posts)Medicines tend to work wonky on him, for example, pain killers keep him awake while they knock me out. He's cut back on carbs in general, so hopefully this will pay off for him. I'm only about 10 lbs overweight but still down 20 lbs from 3 years ago. I decided to support hubs and reduce my overall carbs (especially sweets) to see if I could get this back off. I'm ok at this weight but can't gain anymore or my clothes won't fit. I figure losing the 10 lbs. would give me room to splurge occasionally and help support him too. Unfortunately, he needs to lose at least 20 lbs. He walks at least 5 miles a day, so is getting plenty of exercise. It's the food and alcohol.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,869 posts)Trulicity has been out since 2014 and it seems to have less severe responses compared to ozempic.
I have less appetite and have lost some weight. More importantly, my blood sugars are under better control and I have been able to cut back on insulin.
drray23
(8,759 posts)If not, what is the monthly cost for it ? Are you finding it efficient ?
I am overweight by about 40lbs or so and have been considering it. I tried multiple times to lose weight but I regain it all after a while due to my hectic work schedule and inability to manage exercise and balanced diets. I understand that it's not a substitute for a balanced diet but I assume it helps achieve it.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)I feel bad for those whose insurance doesnt cover it and I think that may change. I only pay a $25 copay and the manufacturer has a copay card that covers that, so so far I pay nothing! I hope that continues.
lark
(26,081 posts)His insurance doesn't cover it. If it was affordable, he might have tried one more time, but it was horribly expensive and produced horrible side effects so no.
Croney
(5,017 posts)She says she has 20 more to go. She gained a few pounds back but is on track again. I think her main challenge is that she enjoys good wine, and wine has calories.
Your Wegovy experience is yours and yours alone. Thank you for sharing whatever you want to share with us. I wish you great success!
nolabear
(43,850 posts)My brother in law just plain barfed when he ate. I dont much like the waves of nausea but as I mentioned earlier it has an unexpected positive side effect of being incredibly anti-inflammatory and stopping chronic pain that was killing me. I hate the very idea of stopping.
LymphocyteLover
(9,847 posts)Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)or sugar, but it's that your body perceives it as a toxic substance and expends all its efforts on ridding your system of it, to the point that it delays fat burning. By the time the alcohol is out of your system, it's likely you've eaten again, and the fat burning delays start to add up in the form of extra pounds.
airplaneman
(1,386 posts)nolabear
(43,850 posts)It can be brutal if you dont. I am optimistic about the field blossoming though.
catrose
(5,365 posts)nolabear
(43,850 posts)getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)I'm in the Grey zone, not yet considered diabetic.
And at $1k/month, I'm not paying out of pocket.
Oh well......
nolabear
(43,850 posts)My insurance covers it.
siouxsiecreamcheese
(587 posts)My dr recommended Ozempic, Wegovy and some other injectable Rx's but Contrave is a pill I was approved for. I think it's the only weight loss drug that is usually approved when you're not diabetic. You just have to have a high enough BMI and high blood pressure or high cholesterol. I'm going into week 3 on it and I haven't seen much difference yet but I definitely don't have as many cravings as I used to. I think I paid $60 on my insurance place and without insurance, it's about $800.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)From 2002 to 2009, I was on an awful yo-yo dieting spree. I'd gain weight, lose weight, gain it back, then would have to lose it back again. It was awful. I'm short so every pound shows. My issue was (and still is) grazing and eating when I'm not hungry, compulsively.
I finally got relief from the yo-yo dieting nightmare from 2 things: After I had my baby in 2011, I initially lost the weight but I kept eating and gained all the pregnancy weight back. I was almost 200 pounds! I went to Mexico later that year and got the gastric sleeve. I only lost 45 pounds before stalling out. lol. smh.
The following summer I started ADHD medication. Initially I took Adderall, and for the first time in my life, I was able to focus on tasks and stop eating just to eat. I lost another 30 pounds from that. When I started the ADD medication, I became a workaholic. I'd do marathon work sessions with little to no eating during first half of the day, but of course, when I wanted to splurge, I'd splurge. Over time, the unintentional "intermittent fasting" dramatically changed my metabolism to where I could eat any and everything I wanted to without gaining weight.
I mentioned both the surgery and the medication because either strategy alone would not have worked for me. I have 3 friends who got the gastric sleeve and they are fat again, after initially losing some weight. I'm on vyvanse now, which keeps me focused during the day, but at night, it's my smaller stomach that prevents me from doing too much damage. Rinse repeat.
I assume wegovy has a lot less risk involved compared to stimulants like vyvanse, so I'm really happy that it's available for people who need it. My sister swears by mounjaro (sp?) but it's super pricey and she says she gains weight when not on it. I highly recommend intermittent fasting for permanent metabolism changes, but I understand how difficult it might be without appetite suppression.
Good luck to everyone!
nolabear
(43,850 posts)LOLIve done everything. I took phentermine for a while so I appreciate the ADHD drugs efficacy. But it stopped working after a while, as they predicted it would. I was an intermittent faster for several months, of the 16/8 variety. Wasnt that hard but didnt do anything.
My sister has a nightmare gastric bypass story that I wont go into but it nearly killed her. She has lost weight though she says she wouldnt do it again.
CaptainTruth
(8,201 posts)Do what you need to do.
Piratedog
(266 posts)It wasnt worth it to her. She was as sick as she has ever been.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Its crazy how different we are.
relayerbob
(7,428 posts)What is the airspeed of an unladen swallow? ;-D
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Chellee
(2,300 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)Does Medicare part D cover this?
nolabear
(43,850 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,316 posts)LoisB
(13,028 posts)nolabear
(43,850 posts)Jirel
(2,369 posts)Me too. Im down 25 lbs. Congratulations, and I hope its going great for you too!
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Its slow but movement is movement.
Jirel
(2,369 posts)Whatever it takes, every bit helps.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)I'm sorry to hear you have had to listen to any of it, even if it is not directed at you specifically it still should not happen.
Best wishes for your good health.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Crazy but true. Its hard not to feel as though youve done all the things youre accused of even when you havent.
Also, even if someone does all those things, fat does not equal failure. Or ugly. Or dumb. Or anything.
Warpy
(114,615 posts)and my doc said "whatever you're doing, keep doing it." So I don't take Wegovy and my standard reply to fat shaming is "fuck off and die." If my numbers get bad, I'll probably do something about it, meaning consommé and salads dressed with a little garlic salt. I'm in my late 70s, so I don't know how bad those numbers are gonna get before I finally peg out.
So if you're still fat, come sit by me. I'll get rid of the scolds. I lived in New England, I know how it's done.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)But its hard to see the overwhelming negativity around it.
Bettie
(19,704 posts)I'm fat...fact is, I look like my grandpa's sisters, who were also round women.
NickB79
(20,356 posts)Because I was just reading this article a few days ago by one of the creators of Ozempic, who feels it's at best a short term medication, and most people quit it after 2-3 yr.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/ozempic-drug-science-boring-weight-loss-b2359385.html
What happens is that you lose your appetite and also the pleasure of eating, and so I think theres a price to be paid when you do that, Holst told Wired. If you like food, then that pleasure is gone. The craving for food for some people is taken away when they take GLP-1 drugs.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)I do like things more than others but mostly Im sort of Nah, Im good when I think of eating. I am careful to get enough protein and take a multivitamin. And drink enough water. I do find a funny hole where food was, mostly social. But I read varying things about staying on it. I guess well find out.
choie
(6,906 posts)I'm very very sensitive to fat shaming as I'm overweight myself. I haven't witnessed any shaming here, but I'm so sorry that you've seen those posts. I give you a lot of credit for taking wegovy and wish you all the best with it!
choie
(6,906 posts)and she lost 100 pounds on it!
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Or Lardass or many other things. It works its way in.
choie
(6,906 posts)Deep State Witch
(12,717 posts)I'm considering taking Wegovy for a 3 month trial. I hit a plateau in my keto journey last year. Then, I got COVID and started gaining weight back. I've gained 30 pounds in a year. (I was 285 around Memorial Day last year, and am now between 315 and 320.) I need something to kick-start my weight loss. The problem with doing keto again is that I'm already doing most of it, and my body is used to low carb.
My questions are:
1. What are the digestive issues associated with it? When I was on Metformin and Byetta, I would have a lot of diarrhea. I've gotten to the point where I no longer need diabetic medication. I still have those issues sometimes, but mostly when I eat nuts or something with gluten.
2. Does your insurance cover it? How much do you pay for it? One of my concerns is that I have a fairly low A1C (5.5) and normal blood pressure. I don't know if insurance will cover it under those circumstances.
Thanks for sharing your journey!
nolabear
(43,850 posts)For one, no gallbladder and it makes my GI tract go crazy.
But I know it has worked for many. I am not prediabetic so I take Wegovy, specifically for weight loss, though its exactly the same as Ozempic. And yes, it gives me some digestive issues. Either constipation or diarrhea most of the time. Ive learned to take magnesium citrate for constipation and if diarrhea is a problem I take standard over the counter meds. Both work. I get mild nausea sometimes but I manage it okay. Some people get quite ill. You just have to ramp up slowly and see.
My insurance does cover it, thank goodness. The manufacturer also has a copay card. At this moment I pay nothing! If the copay goes away its only $25 a month. Im very lucky. But Id recommend talking to your doctor and seeing if theyll advocate for you. Ive done everything short of gastric surgery and after seeing others experiences (my sister nearly died and had four corrective surgeries afterward) I wouldnt do it on a bet.
Hope you find a way to cover it. The full price is obscene. It is getting scarce now and Im walking a tightrope but hope I dont have to interrupt and start over.
Footay
(88 posts)Mounjaro taker here. I've been on it since last August and am approaching 90 lbs lost. It is a miracle drug as far as I am concerned and I plan to take it for life.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Fantastic loss! Im encouraged!
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)posters just kept on going
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Between that and ageism Im fast becoming untouchable.
I honestly dont spend a lot of time suffering but it is interesting how things get latched on to as targets.
xmas74
(30,058 posts)I'm tired all the time and have regular, consistent leg swelling along with neuropathy.
I know I should exercise but I'm just too tired. My oncologist said its not uncommon but thinks it might be more than just recovering from cancer and treatment. I've noticed looks from all the weight gain and have heard the comments.
You do whatever is best for you. You have my support no matter what you do.
nolabear
(43,850 posts)We have to make terrible choices these days dont we, with some treatments making other things worse. Wish there was a drug that made people mind their own damn business.
xmas74
(30,058 posts)Carlitos Brigante
(26,848 posts)nolabear
(43,850 posts)genxlib
(6,136 posts)I had this discussion bookmarked and found my way back to it.
Just wondering if you have an update after a year. The topic has only gained in interest and would love to hear where you are on your journey a year later.
I am sure lots more people are considering it now so your thoughts would be invaluable
nolabear
(43,850 posts)Good Lord, was it a year ago? The answer is, suddenly I couldnt get it. For months. FINALLY I was able to get it again three months ago. Ive lost twelve pounds in those three months and am due to increase the dosage at the end of the month. I did.25 and am now on .5 and the pharmacy has to go back to my doc for some reason to get re-approval for 1 mg. Its a mixed bag. My GI system is a little nuts. Vague nausea sometimes and it takes forever for things to empty so I can get very uncomfortable if I eat too much or too late or fatty things. Diarrhea sometimes and Im careful when I take it to try to deal with that. Im sticking with it but Id love it if it would speed up a bit.
genxlib
(6,136 posts)I am fascinated by the promise of these drugs; both personally and society wide.
The cost is crazy right now but I hope there will be a point where the curve turns to cost less. I am assuming they are cranking up capacity to meet demand and will come to the conclusion that they are better off selling lots more even at lower prices. At some point, the insurance companies will press for a price point that will improve their bottom line by the overall improved health.
Best of luck to you.