Guess what I did today! I called the FBI!

[WillParkinson]

https://www.tiktok.com/@mishiforchange/video/7247861041692937514

This video seriously freaking disturbed me enough that I figured I'd make sure it was on their radar.

[walkingman]

1. You did good - sad that we have so much hate in America.

[MontanaMama]

2. My gawd!

That was a good call to make imho.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. I'd say you did the right thing, my dear WillParkinson. These guys are dangerous.

They are dangerous to the life of our country, and to our own lives.

I hope the FBI follows up on your report.

[peppertree]

33. Absolutely. That's Pete Santilli - who has a history of seditious incitement to violence.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143049106

And these ne-fascists usually are, he's been allowed to skate all the way.

[Grins]

49. Other two: George Balloutine and Lance Migliaccio

If some of the references I found are correct, they both have questionable backgrounds; ie, dealing drugs.

But the woman’s posting this has a point: Name ANYONE on the left that spouts ANYTHING comparable to this?

[peppertree]

50. Hell - Repugs constantly accuse Democrats of incitement, and actual violence, with ZERO proof

As you know, most of their mouth-breathers believe that "most violence comes from the left!"

It's a topsy-turvy world - at least where Repugs are concerned.

[Chi67]

4. What?!!

Who are these people?

[canuckledragger]

15. Cowards being a mic and screen, trying inspire listeners to do thier killing for them.

In other words, stochastic terrorists.

[calimary]

56. Trying to stir things up so they can watch?

[peppertree]

34. The loudmouth's Pete Santilli - who has a history of seditious incitement to violence

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143049106

The FBI? So far, crickets.

[Quakerfriend]

5. Jeez! - Complete nut jobs!

Is threatening to kidnap a public official a crime?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. Generally, yes, I think

Kidnapping is a serious crime.

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-charges/threatening-the-president-or-other-government-officials.html

On March 21, 2010, a young man in Arlington, Texas posted a rant threatening the life of President Barack Obama on the popular online classifieds site Craigslist. The post, which expressed anger over passage of the Affordable Care Act, stated the following: "It is time for Obama to die. I am dedicating my life to the death of Obama and every employee of the federal government." The Secret Service tracked the incendiary comments to Brian Dean Miller, who was living with his mother at the time, and arrested him for the crime of threatening the President.

As with most other constitutionally guaranteed liberties, the First Amendment right to free speech has its limits. Miller, whose speech most certainly crossed the line, pleaded guilty in a Dallas federal court and was sentenced to 27 months in prison without parole.

[PatSeg]

36. How stupid are they?

Documenting their crimes?

[dalton99a]

6. Kick

[StarryNite]

7. Thank you for calling the FBI.

Those people are dangerous.

[Quakerfriend]

8. Some info. re: this guy-

He runs Podcast the Big Mig

https://www.linkedin.com/in/george-balloutine%E2%84%A2-9063bb18

So glad you called the FBI!

[ecstatic]

9. wow! Who are those guys? nt

[snowybirdie]

10. Won't look at this

Just posting his type of crap encourages folks to keep it going. But you likely did a good thing.

[AllaN01Bear]

11. page removed.

[WillParkinson]

44. I still see it....

At least I think that's what you're talking about. (We're old now, so I could be way off base.)

[Emile]

12. Right wing fruit cakes for sure. Oh boy do they sound tough, LOL.

[jaxexpat]

13. Alas, this free speech thing is a thing, after all.

It's when those guilty of actual crimes are free, or when the guys who wound these meatheads up are free, then we run into problems.........Okay, we got a problem.

[liberalmuse]

14. You did good.

Horrifying! Why are what looks to be white guys with a decent income so angry? Who hurt them?

[IronLionZion]

16. These idiots love to record their crimes

especially when they are using violence and intimidation against civilians for mental illness reasons but no political agenda.

[Whiskeytide]

17. Yikes. Creepy violence fetishists. n/t

[mahatmakanejeeves]

18. I listened to about the first thirty seconds.

Last edited Fri Jun 23, 2023, 06:39 PM - Edit history (1)

Then I stopped. What I heard was protected speech. People can say all kinds of things online that you don't like.

Link to tweet

Look up Brandenburg v. Ohio.

Full disclosure: I am not a lawyer.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

19. DU isn't big

On protected speech.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

23. Tell me about it. Every morning, I log in, and what do I hear?

I Got You, Babe - Groundhog Day

TV
1.78K subscribers

1,434,995 views Mar 2, 2011
It's 6 am. Rise and shine. And don't forget your booties 'cause it's cold out there today. It's cold out there every day. What is this, Miami Beach?

[GoneOffShore]

53. DU isn't big on stochastic terrorists.

And that's what these guys are.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

59. You either believe

In protected speech, no matter how repulsive, or you don’t.

You apparently fall in the latter group, which is of course, your right. I fall in the former.

[GoneOffShore]

65. I now live in Europe. I think Germany got it right at the end of World War 2.

Guys like this would be jailed there now.



Remember Popper's 'Paradox of Intolerance'



Obviously, your mileage may vary.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

66. Yep

My mileage varies considerably.

[GoneOffShore]

67. Do you find that Popper's Paradox of Intolerance to be wrong?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

68. At an individual level?

No. I'm certainly free to tell someone that they can't "talk that way" in my home. Or a business is certainly free to tell someone "you can't talk that way in my business".

But at the level where government says "You can't talk that way at all", then yes, I think it's wrong.

[GoneOffShore]

69. So, publicly calling for the execution of minority groups is okay. Got it.

What would be your standard of government prohibited speech?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

71. Incitement of violence

Isn’t protected speech.

“I wish all of the xyz group were dead” or “If I could, I’d kill all of the xyz group” is repulsive, but protected.

“Join me in killing the xyz group” or “Take up arms and kill the xyz group” is incitement and is. Not protected.

[GoneOffShore]

72. All four statements are calls for violence.

None should be "protected speech".

[SickOfTheOnePct]

73. You're welcome to your opinion

As I am to mine.

I did just edit my post, as I noticed that I had put "it protected" when I meant to put "not protected".

[GoneOffShore]

74. Alrighthy then.

Look at Popper's Paradox of Intolerance again.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

75. No point

This is an agree to disagree issue.

[GoneOffShore]

76. So, you don't mind that Nazi's have a platform. Got it.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

77. No I don't mind

That’s what free speech is about - allowing speech even if it is repulsive.

[GoneOffShore]

78. How far are you willing to go with that?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

79. Up to what the Constitution allows

Which is up to the point of inciting violence.

I've been very clear on where I stand, you've been very clear on where you stand, and neither of us is going to change our minds, so what's the point of continuing this discussion?

Have a great weekend (what little is left of it).

[GoneOffShore]

80. Inciting hatred incites violence. See Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia, 1930's Germany, et al.

The US is approaching those tipping points by letting Nazi's have free rein.

[treestar]

60. Enough to keep them in mind though

Nothing to arrest them for right now, but the Secret Service can be proactive. The people they are involved with, their own movements - perhaps no search warrants or arrests. But no harm keeping an eye out for who it is that might actually do or inspire others to do something.

[lucca18]

20. You did the right thing! Thank You!

[LoisB]

21. Wow! You did the right thing and I sure hope they follow up on it.

[lucca18]

22. Thank You!!!

You did the right thing!
😍

[yardwork]

24. Hi Will! Great to hear from you!!

[WillParkinson]

43. Hey, Yard!

I hope you're doing well.

[TeamProg]

25. Thosw guys need to be zip-tied, thrown in the back of a pickup and tossed in jail.. nt

[Evolve Dammit]

27. Gotta do it. They can't be everywhere and tips are hopefully tracked and put on radar.

[soldierant]

28. Thank you.

Those speaking may be cowards, but there are people who might hear them and be just crazy enough to do something.

[sarge43]

30. Second that

[niyad]

29. Since it was bad enough for you to call, I will not even click on the link. Thank

you for caring enough to do so.

[dchill]

31. Kudos! So many dangerous assholes...

...so little time.

[summer_in_TX]

32. While the First Amendment may protect these thugs,

the FBI should have them on their radar.

With the FBI's long history of infiltrating left wing groups, surely they can do likewise with groups like the ones these guys represent.

Good call!

[LiberalFighter]

40. Advocating for violence is not protected.

[summer_in_TX]

42. Thank God for that.

Learned something.

Hope these fellas have FAFO.

[Zeitghost]

51. The issue

Is that saying "If I was a general I would...", "If it was legal, I would...", "Someone should..." does not meet the constitutional threshold for inciting violence. Talking about violent fantasies is not illegal.

[treestar]

61. "someone should?"

there might be a someone in his audience.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

62. Yes it is

Inciting violence is not protected.

Two very different things.

[Sky Jewels]

35. Sad, insecure white males trying desperately to compensate for their massive shortcomings

and their deep-down knowledge that they are LOSERS. These pathetic yet dangerous little pieces of shit deserve to wind up in jail.

[calimary]

55. That's kinda how I see it.

Feels like it’s being constantly shouted at me.

Somebody overcompensating?

[Scruffy1]

37. They know nothing about the Marine Corps.

They seem to think they are as stupid as they are. First, every US Marine officer knows they don't have the authority to engage in civilian affairs. I even asked a Marine Master Sargent about illegal orders once and he told one call to the AG and its over for the issuer of the order followed by Court Marshall. The whole thing is an insault on the intelligence and professionalism of the Corps.

[NowISeetheLight]

38. Coup

Sounds like he's advocating a violent military style coup attempt. You did the right thing.

[LiberalFighter]

39. They need to be permanently....

[SleeplessinSoCal]

41. Maybe we should post the number for the FBI on the Homepage

I can imagine needing call a fair amount over the next 2 years.

[SouthernDem4ever]

45. They definitely fit the "Domestic Terrorists" title

I hope the FBI is watching.

[peppertree]

81. But they're RIGHT-WING domestic terrorists

So they'll probably be ignored and/or skate.

[SouthernDem4ever]

82. We have to keep drilling home a terrorist is a terrorist

Doesn't matter their politics.

[peppertree]

83. And goodness knows we do!

But as you know, to our Farce News-watching and Hate Radio-listening friends, they're "persecuted patriots" or some such drivel.

Plus - let's not forget - Wall Street and the CEOcracy likes them (with exceptions). These seditionists fight their tax/regulatory battles for them - and that's just how they like it.

They like keeping their hands clean, you know.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

46. "It's not a true threat"

I protect your right to say that the next person to take Justice Alito on a trip should take him to see the Titanic.

It’s not a true threat

Replying to @USConst_Amend_I
For example, saying “If they ever make me carry a rifle the first man I want to get in my sights is L.B.J.” while at a protest at the Washington Monument in 1966 was protected speech.

https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/707/watts-v-united-states

Link to tweet

[Grins]

48. I don't think that was the intent of the post.

It’s more: “It’s treasonous shit like this is why I’m no longer a Republican.“

[treestar]

63. the Titan one is clearly in a realm of fantasy

a few variables that make it unlikely to come true.

Probably no marine general would do what the speaker would do if he were in their place.

Getting close enough to Biden to do what he suggests would take a lot more than talk.

But stochastic terrorism is where he could get someone else to do it - play out his violent fantasies.

[llashram]

47. yep

seditious talk. Just plain up traitors.

[Marius25]

52. Can you tell us how the call went? How did they react?

[WillParkinson]

84. The woman I spoke with....

Said that the call was definitely appreciated, and asked for the link to the video. I was also able to give her the names of the two that were onscreen. After the call, she told me how grateful they were to be informed.

[jmowreader]

54. None of these people have ever been in the military

One of the first things we are told is, you are required to refuse an illegal order.

These two idiots have described the most illegal order imaginable.

What would actually happen if they issued an order like this: “Sir, I’m going to need that order in writing. With a signature.”

Once he gave this order in writing, he’d be tackled, beaten senseless and handed over to the Secret Service.

[Historic NY]

57. These are the guys that just need to be removed

to a federal facility

[PatrickforB]

58. Good job calling the FBI on these people.

We're talking about conspiracy to commit insurrection.

[peggysue2]

64. Call out is definitely warranted!

Threatening assassinations & the kidnapping of the President is no small thing.

[BlackSkimmer]

70. Lol.

Thanks for sharing this crap here.

[WillParkinson]

85. Uh....you're welcome?

I guess.