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Good news from Bakhmut? (Original Post) Tomconroy Jun 2023 OP
Agree Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #1
You have been such a great source of information about this war. I'm excited to read your Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #2
25000 Wagner pulled out of Ukraine. If putys gonna fight Tomconroy Jun 2023 #6
Exactly...Wagner was responsible for the wins in Bakhmut..internal fighting in Russia, good for PortTack Jun 2023 #19
I could not agree more, gab13by13 Jun 2023 #8
. Scrivener7 Jun 2023 #9
Sounds like a promising development True Dough Jun 2023 #3
Ukraine may smell blood in the water around Bakhmut though GregariousGroundhog Jun 2023 #13
Also this, BUT I'm waiting for Ukraine to make a move to retake Crimea, Volaris Jun 2023 #16
Looks like Russia is/will be too tied up with its own problems calimary Jun 2023 #20
Agreed 👍 Volaris Jun 2023 #21
Ukraine has choices. Tetrachloride Jun 2023 #4
The end of one and the beginning of another. Renew Deal Jun 2023 #5
Things are happening fast. nt BootinUp Jun 2023 #7
Significantly, supplies to all of ukraine could be cut.... getagrip_already Jun 2023 #10
It probably is. 2naSalit Jun 2023 #11
They will soon run out of ammunition as their supplies have been cut off Bev54 Jun 2023 #12
If Putin is relying on prisoners and other conscripts to fight for him... lpbk2713 Jun 2023 #14
My friend in Kiev Richard D Jun 2023 #15
End of the war? I'm going to wait Vogon_Glory Jun 2023 #17
If you're crazy... WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2023 #18
The only problem with that is - who takes over? calimary Jun 2023 #22
So true. WinstonSmith4740 Jun 2023 #24
Hah! Wouldn't that be great! calimary Jun 2023 #25
LTG Ben Hodges said on BBC his opinion Mysterian Jun 2023 #23

Johnny2X2X

(19,416 posts)
1. Agree
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 10:23 AM
Jun 2023

This is the beginning of the end.

And Russia will have little choice but to pull troops out to try to defend or retake Moscow in the next several days.

Scrivener7

(51,127 posts)
2. You have been such a great source of information about this war. I'm excited to read your
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 10:24 AM
Jun 2023

posts about it's ending.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
6. 25000 Wagner pulled out of Ukraine. If putys gonna fight
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 10:26 AM
Jun 2023

He has to pull out troops too.
Just my opinion.

PortTack

(32,870 posts)
19. Exactly...Wagner was responsible for the wins in Bakhmut..internal fighting in Russia, good for
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 01:13 PM
Jun 2023

Ukraine.

True Dough

(17,457 posts)
3. Sounds like a promising development
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 10:24 AM
Jun 2023

but let's face it, there's really not much left of Bakhmut at all. Practically reduced to rubble.

GregariousGroundhog

(7,531 posts)
13. Ukraine may smell blood in the water around Bakhmut though
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 12:03 PM
Jun 2023

If Bakhmut is lightly defended because of Wagner's exit, Ukraine may decide to push through it in an attempt to get behind Russian defensive lines. If Ukraine could succeed in that, Russia would be in serious jeapardy of getting rolled up just like what happened in Kharkiv Oblast last year.

Volaris

(10,295 posts)
16. Also this, BUT I'm waiting for Ukraine to make a move to retake Crimea,
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 12:54 PM
Jun 2023

This week/this month/this summer, will be coup de gras, and Russia will have no choice but to admit defeat, regardless of who's running the govt in moscow.

calimary

(81,733 posts)
20. Looks like Russia is/will be too tied up with its own problems
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 01:21 PM
Jun 2023

to worry about whatever they thought they’d accomplished in Ukraine.

They’ve got MUCH bigger problems now.

getagrip_already

(15,163 posts)
10. Significantly, supplies to all of ukraine could be cut....
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 11:02 AM
Jun 2023

Rostov-on-Don is a major supply hub, possibly the supply hub, to russian operations in Ukraine.

If supplies are no longer flowing, russian forces in Ukraine are effectively cut off. Rostov-on-Don supplies not only luhansk and donets, but also Crimea and therefore kherson.

Woops. Too bad. So sad. Anyway....

2naSalit

(87,220 posts)
11. It probably is.
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 11:25 AM
Jun 2023

It may also be the end of russia as a country, which would be best, but also...

It appears that Belorussians are seeing a major opportunity ahead.




Will be an interesting next few weeks or months.

Bev54

(10,139 posts)
12. They will soon run out of ammunition as their supplies have been cut off
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 11:29 AM
Jun 2023

with the Wagner take over of the military operations in Rostov and march to Moscow.

Vogon_Glory

(9,144 posts)
17. End of the war? I'm going to wait
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 12:58 PM
Jun 2023

While the Wagner mutiny reminds me a lot of the 1917 Russian military collapse, I’m not going to say that the currents of history have changed until the Ukrainians retake the territories they lost last year and start marching on the ones they lost earlier.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,065 posts)
18. If you're crazy...
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 01:12 PM
Jun 2023

Then this:



Actually, I'm hoping this is the beginning of the end of Putin...and it just may be.

calimary

(81,733 posts)
22. The only problem with that is - who takes over?
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 01:25 PM
Jun 2023

And how bloodthirsty and/or power-hungry are they?

A potential ally or a bigger headache?

WinstonSmith4740

(3,065 posts)
24. So true.
Sat Jun 24, 2023, 01:45 PM
Jun 2023

The head of Wagner is no bargain, and nobody in Putin's circle could possibly be any better. My personal fantasy/wish is Putin fleeing (which may be happening...from what I just read here his plane is in the air), and his political prisoners being released. I think Alexei Navalny would be welcomed on the world stage. And, of course, watching Trump's head explode would be a bonus.

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