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edhopper

(37,516 posts)
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 09:43 AM Jun 2023

Liberals never had a Gay or Trans "agenda"

Last edited Sun Jun 25, 2023, 10:13 AM - Edit history (1)

Except to accept people for who they are, all deserving of Rights, and respect them for how they choose to refer to themselves.

The Right however, does has an anti-Gay and anti-Trans agenda. And part of that is to portray Liberals as promoting being Gay or Trans to children, instead of what they do, which is to accept diversity.

On the one hand, you have people being open to all others. On the other hand, you have a Party cynically using hate to paint the other Party with insulting lies and attack vulnerable children and adults.


I don't expect to ever see this in the Media as it really is, instead I expect the Media to keep repeated the GOP narrative representing the Dems as somehow having this nonexisting "Gay agenda".

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Liberals never had a Gay or Trans "agenda" (Original Post) edhopper Jun 2023 OP
This is so true. samplegirl Jun 2023 #1
Agree 100% dslyahoo Jun 2023 #2
They have to make up something sinister to justify their hate. paleotn Jun 2023 #3
I agree and you left a few "anti's" out SouthernDem4ever Jun 2023 #4
This is pretty much the case. Gay marriage wasn't really a thing until the right wing made it one Johonny Jun 2023 #5
Claiming liberals have a gay agenda is just another projection by the rightwing. Beartracks Jun 2023 #6
Yup, as with everything they do. GoCubsGo Jun 2023 #13
DEMS: Conjuay Jun 2023 #7
Projection. usonian Jun 2023 #8
The trouble is how people fail to see the "conservative" agenda in the labeling. jaxexpat Jun 2023 #9
Very well written, thank you Lemonwurst Jun 2023 #23
Yup, the right wing are the ones with an agenda, and it's pure evil. Initech Jun 2023 #10
Very well said. One of the things about Quakerfriend Jun 2023 #11
one of my favorite pie charts SYFROYH Jun 2023 #12
Whenever I hear someone say "Gay Agenda", Mr.Bill Jun 2023 #14
I'm still looking for a listing of these "well regulated militia" regulations. world wide wally Jun 2023 #22
Great point. It wasn't until the GOP made it an issue that Dems emphasized protections for ALL TeamProg Jun 2023 #15
Very often you have to be sure to say, "I'm saying X and not saying Y." gulliver Jun 2023 #16
The liberal "agenda" is to live and let live vlyons Jun 2023 #17
agree republianmushroom Jun 2023 #19
Remember This? NowISeetheLight Jun 2023 #18
Thank you. LoisB Jun 2023 #20
Inclusion, and, live and let live is my agenda. Magoo48 Jun 2023 #21

paleotn

(22,711 posts)
3. They have to make up something sinister to justify their hate.
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 10:37 AM
Jun 2023

The obvious tell that their position is immoral. I mean, if you've got to make shit up to justify it, you probably shouldn't be thinking that way in the first place.

Can't we all agree that fairness and live and let live is the best for everyone? Your approval of someone's lifestyle is not required. That's just gross arrogance. If it's not hurting you in any way, just mind your own business. Live and let live.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
4. I agree and you left a few "anti's" out
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 11:05 AM
Jun 2023

The repug party has become the party of fascism/authoritarianism. They think they know what's best for everyone else. They act victimized by other people having the same liberties. It's a sick and twisted way to treat others and they don't care. Being so cult-washed has them beyond reasonable discussion. The only thing left for civilized society to do is push them back out to the fringes where they belong.

Johonny

(26,585 posts)
5. This is pretty much the case. Gay marriage wasn't really a thing until the right wing made it one
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 11:15 AM
Jun 2023

It wasn't a priority on the left, it wasn't even something generally considered a major topic. Suddenly the right used it as a political wedge issue, and very quickly it went from something people weren't comfortable with to basically something the left takes for granted as a meh, okay then why not.

You know seem the same attitude in the party on the anti-Transgender agenda of the right. It's really a thing most Democrats haven't thought about as it wasn't a party priority. (It's not an agenda rather than the basic all inclusive acceptance of individuals agenda). Pretty soon it's going to become a meh issue on the left.

Cancel culture and woke culture also not things on the left. Basically the whole Right Wing narrative of the left is make believe pushed by the media, but doesn't really inspire democratic voters. You don't see liberals losing their shit over beer or retail store displays. It's just not a thing.

Beartracks

(14,653 posts)
6. Claiming liberals have a gay agenda is just another projection by the rightwing.
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 11:18 AM
Jun 2023

They accuse the left of having a "gay agenda" because - surprise! - the right has a gay agenda.

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GoCubsGo

(34,996 posts)
13. Yup, as with everything they do.
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 11:55 AM
Jun 2023

They love to play the "I know you are, but what am I?" game. The Left needs to do a better job of calling them out on it.

usonian

(26,580 posts)
8. Projection.
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 11:23 AM
Jun 2023

Blaming others to cover up one's own guilt and fear.
What they *do* is to promote in children intolerance and hate, which are not innate!
"You've got to be carefully taught"


From "If Life is a Game, These are the Rules":
Rule 7.

Others are only mirrors of you.
You cannot love or hate something about another person unless it reflects something you love or hate about yourself.
 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
9. The trouble is how people fail to see the "conservative" agenda in the labeling.
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 11:29 AM
Jun 2023

They've always been ahead of the Democrats in their use of this technique. They jump ahead exponentially every time the "live for the moment" media adopts key words coined in rightwing crowd study laboratories and hand fed to the talking heads. The political arena used to have Democrats, Republicans and third party. Since the 90's they've managed to label themselves as "conservatives" which left Democrats to be framed as "liberals". To the extent we've accepted these terms, we have undermined our own cause. Environmental science becomes radical, left wing TreeHugger propaganda. Spotlighting and eliminating long term injustice becomes pro-gay and pro-woke. Itself a commonsense recognition of racism in its simplest terms. What sells the junk which advertisers pawn onto hapless cell-phone zombies? The "outrage factor". So outrageous that even daily mass shootings become acceptable to society's benumbed consciousness.

Over the last 4 decades they've worked tirelessly to have us self-label, self-medicate and sleepwalk into adversity. They did so under the theory that a divided society, lacking homogeneity, is more susceptible to and easier to control through divisive propaganda. It's a dead-end theory. They could have thought for a moment about the Biblical adage, "he who sows the wind will reap the whirlwind". They are now losing control and have a "tiger by the tail", drunk on their own snake oil, having allowed an obvious maniac like Trump onto their cherished center stage, strutting under their banner and pillaging their bankroll.

Lemonwurst

(327 posts)
23. Very well written, thank you
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 09:15 PM
Jun 2023

Nothing more, just an appreciation for how you highlighted the fallacy of the zero-sum game, which only helps those with negative goals.

Initech

(109,260 posts)
10. Yup, the right wing are the ones with an agenda, and it's pure evil.
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 11:35 AM
Jun 2023

Also it was never about protecting children. Never was and never will be. These psychopaths are set on eliminating trans people from existing. It's time for the media to stop treating their hatred like it's normal. It isn't. Not by a long shot.

Quakerfriend

(5,882 posts)
11. Very well said. One of the things about
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 11:41 AM
Jun 2023

their anti-gay/trans agenda that will come back to bite them in the behind is that all ‘straight’ folks have beloved family members who are gay/trans.

And, even tho they may not support their lifestyle per say, I don’t believe they want them harmed.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
14. Whenever I hear someone say "Gay Agenda",
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:02 PM
Jun 2023

I ask them if they know where I can get a copy of this agenda. Agendas are written down, so there must be a place where I can get a copy, right?

It makes their heads spin.

 

TeamProg

(6,630 posts)
15. Great point. It wasn't until the GOP made it an issue that Dems emphasized protections for ALL
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:06 PM
Jun 2023

people. Which SHOULD NOT EVEN be necessary! Geebus F'ing Christ !

gulliver

(14,072 posts)
16. Very often you have to be sure to say, "I'm saying X and not saying Y."
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:22 PM
Jun 2023

Otherwise, you'll be accused of saying "Y squared," and, worse, you'll have people claiming to be you saying "Y cubed."

If you don't have some sort of way of reliably establishing representatives for a given identity coalition, you open the door to every sort of wolf (or fool) in the fold to run amok. Every form of self-serving simulation becomes available to every greedy, lazy, priggish, morally lost, "hypocritico-clepto-egomaniac." Trumps of every identity stripe come out to feast. Corporations paint on every form of symbolic camouflage, pay lip service, and then feel free to raid people's wallets.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
17. The liberal "agenda" is to live and let live
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:30 PM
Jun 2023

Is it any wonder that the "Christian" right is intolerant and demonizes people, who are not like them? Their god is the only true god. Their church is the only correct church. The bit about "do unto others" and "judge not" and "those without sin cast the first stone" seems to have escaped them.

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
18. Remember This?
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:33 PM
Jun 2023

This totally prejudiced PSA from the 60s. Gays are out to get your sons. Grooming 101. Around 4:04 they “reveal” the guy us sick, a homosexual, who demands sex. It ends with the guy being arrested. The next guy kills the boy after friending him. After all gays are killers.

Society mostly figured it was BS and we moved on the getting gay marriage decades later. Things got better in many states. A lot of people ended up knowing someone gay and they saw we weren’t after anyone. We just wanted equal rights and the right to live in peace.

Now they’ve latched on to the “men in girls bathrooms” claims. They’ve been able to start the “save the children” stuff again. They’re not just claiming it’s the transgender either they’re trying to backslide to the 60s again by claiming it’s “all gays”. It’s going backwards.

These Christian fanatics want to take America back to the 50s. White neighborhoods, no integration, no gay rights, prayer in schools, etc etc etc. Yeah, those were the good old days, if you were a white Christian heterosexual.


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