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dalton99a

(94,109 posts)
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:27 PM Jun 2023

When wealthy adventurers take huge risks, who should foot the bill for rescue attempts?

https://apnews.com/article/titanic-tourist-sub-passengers-cost-ee2a6358b36e48326b3977090fd9311b

When wealthy adventurers take huge risks, who should foot the bill for rescue attempts?
By ADAM GELLER and WYATTE GRANTHAM-PHILIPS

When millionaire Steve Fossett’s plane went missing over the Nevada range in 2007, the swashbuckling adventurer had already been the subject of two prior emergency rescue operations thousands of miles apart.

And that prompted a prickly question: After a sweeping search for the wealthy risktaker ended, who should foot the bill?

In recent days, the massive hunt for a submersible vehicle lost during a north Atlantic descent to explore the wreckage of the Titanic has refocused attention on that conundrum. And with rescuers and the public fixated first on saving and then on mourning those aboard, it has again made for uneasy conversation. ...

While the Coast Guard’s cost for the mission is likely to run into the millions of dollars, it is generally prohibited by federal law from collecting reimbursement related to any search or rescue service, said Stephen Koerting, a U.S. attorney in Maine who specializes in maritime law.

But that does not resolve the larger issue of whether wealthy travelers or companies should bear responsibility to the public and governments for exposing themselves to such risk.

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When wealthy adventurers take huge risks, who should foot the bill for rescue attempts? (Original Post) dalton99a Jun 2023 OP
We pay for ambulances bucolic_frolic Jun 2023 #1
Not us. If they or their families have billions of dollars they can pay the bill. Biophilic Jun 2023 #2
EXACTLY❗ Duppers Jun 2023 #24
When it's the wealthy doing it Jilly_in_VA Jun 2023 #3
I agree gopiscrap Jun 2023 #4
+1. Poor people don't own planes and yachts dalton99a Jun 2023 #9
Fuck 'em gopiscrap Jun 2023 #5
They did die. Now we're going to foot the bill... dchill Jun 2023 #10
The invisible hand of the market? JanMichael Jun 2023 #6
!!!!!!!!!! werdna Jun 2023 #8
And if you're not wealthy? brooklynite Jun 2023 #7
See my post above Jilly_in_VA Jun 2023 #20
No one has yet answered the question sarisataka Jun 2023 #22
They should be insured and the estate should foot the bill. onecaliberal Jun 2023 #11
Good question--especially since so many wealthy people avoid paying their fair share of taxes. n/t barbaraann Jun 2023 #12
We have to be insured for driving and owning a home. In case something wrong happens. LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #13
We should expand regulations Farmer-Rick Jun 2023 #14
What about average income people sarisataka Jun 2023 #15
In some places you are held liable for your rescue tazkcmo Jun 2023 #16
NH tells you to get SAR insurance, I think. GPV Jun 2023 #17
Especially since these wealthy government hating scumbags malaise Jun 2023 #18
I want to live in a society where everyone gets rescued regardless of ability to pay. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2023 #19
Same here Zeitghost Jun 2023 #21
Their estate(s) should pay the... 2naSalit Jun 2023 #23

Biophilic

(6,551 posts)
2. Not us. If they or their families have billions of dollars they can pay the bill.
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:37 PM
Jun 2023

I'm seriously tired of supporting million and billionaires. Especially those who are willing to take stupendous risks whether that is with their money or their lives. Over being a billionaire nursery.

Jilly_in_VA

(14,361 posts)
3. When it's the wealthy doing it
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:38 PM
Jun 2023

It's my opinion that they should put up a bond--insurance, if you will--in the event of their loss on their "adventure. They can damn well afford it, if they can afford the adventure in the first place. That would go into a genera.l fund that could help pay for unfortunate ordinary folks who simply get lost or injured, some of whom might pay a very nominal fee to hike certain trails or undertake certain climbs or whatever. For those who just get lost or hurt through no fault of their own, no charge will be incurred.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
7. And if you're not wealthy?
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:45 PM
Jun 2023

Am I to understand that working class people only engage in dull, sedate activities?

Jilly_in_VA

(14,361 posts)
20. See my post above
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 02:50 PM
Jun 2023

I made a couple of suggestions. Many national parks now charge a very modest fee for hiking certain trails, for instance. And I mean modest, anywhere from $5-20. Is that too much for you?

sarisataka

(22,694 posts)
22. No one has yet answered the question
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 03:10 PM
Jun 2023

Of what wealth level cutoffs will the be. I can just picture a SOS to the Coast Guard with the reply being "can you upload your latest tax return to see if you qualify for a reduced rate rescue "

Or perhaps "please give us the number of from your insurance card for what level of rescue you qualify to receive." It may suck if your SAR insurance is only valid within 100 miles of the coast but the storm you are in has pushed you out to 120 miles.

barbaraann

(9,289 posts)
12. Good question--especially since so many wealthy people avoid paying their fair share of taxes. n/t
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:56 PM
Jun 2023

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
13. We have to be insured for driving and owning a home. In case something wrong happens.
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 12:59 PM
Jun 2023

Why the hell shouldn't they? The company and the riders in that submersible should have had insurance and resources to handle emergencies.

Farmer-Rick

(12,663 posts)
14. We should expand regulations
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 01:02 PM
Jun 2023

So that they are not outside governmental jurisdiction and they must operate safely, no matter how rich they are.

In the end we are going to try and save a life. It's how humans are. So, they must put in all possible safety protocols. No choice to follow safety protocols or not. It's the sensible thing to do.

sarisataka

(22,694 posts)
15. What about average income people
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 01:11 PM
Jun 2023

who do stupid things and need rescue? They get it for free? You don't have to be rich to get into a bad situation that you never should have gone into. Who gets to decide if you have to pay to be rescued?

I recall some years ago skiers needed to be rescued by a helicopter which then hit the mountain and crashed. Should they have to pay for the helicopter?

tazkcmo

(7,419 posts)
16. In some places you are held liable for your rescue
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 02:13 PM
Jun 2023

An example would be in San Antonio Texas where if you cross a barricade put in place due to possible flash flooding and get stuck and need rescuing then you are liable for the cost of that rescue. When we are in an accident and require an ambulance we pay for the ambulance.

malaise

(296,076 posts)
18. Especially since these wealthy government hating scumbags
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 02:34 PM
Jun 2023

refuse to pay their taxes and hate regulations

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,461 posts)
19. I want to live in a society where everyone gets rescued regardless of ability to pay.
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 02:40 PM
Jun 2023

Most of the work the rescue work the Coast Guard does is private boaters and commercial fishing vessels that bring your King Crab and Cod.

Think of these high profile cases as training exercise for when someone you deem worthy gets lost at sea.

 

Zeitghost

(4,557 posts)
21. Same here
Sun Jun 25, 2023, 02:57 PM
Jun 2023

I'm also skeptical when the price of these rescue missions is quoted. We pay for the equipment and manpower already and in many cases they are operating on a daily basis already.

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