It's incredible! The Orange Beast could actually win/steal the presidency again

[Cyrano]

The Republican Party has gone bugshit insane. The federal indictment of Trump has only improved his numbers among Republican voters. And, short of the unforeseen, he's going to be the 2024 Republican candidate for president.

And if so, he'd then be facing Joe Biden who beat him in 2020. However, as we all know, the popular vote doesn't matter. It's the Electoral College outcome that decides who becomes president. And given the insane laws passed in many red/purple states over the past few years, the Electoral College outcome is up for grabs.

HOW THE FUCK DID WE GET HERE? How has America arrived at a place where our Constitution, our democracy, and all of our freedoms are in jeopardy? Who ever figured there were so many incredibly stupid/brain-dead American voters?

I hope Joe beats this diseased monster again. (But hope in one hand, pee in the other, and see which one fills up first.)

The fact that we're looking at the possibility of another Trump pResidency is unbelievable. It's an indication of how sick our country has become. It's proof positive that, whatever it is we call intelligence, is an abnormality.

If the worst happens, and the Orange Nightmare ends up in the White House, America is over. So it's up to us to do anything and everything to ensure this doesn't come about. Trump, or any other Republican in the presidency, can't be allowed to happen. It used to be that fascism was something we fought someplace else in the world. Well, now it's right here among us, and it doesn't take much imagination to understand the vicious, hate-filled hell that will descend on us if we don't defeat it. Losing is not an option.

[Initech]

1. It's like the assholes in the media are praying for it to happen.

They're enabling his garbage by allowing him to be the biggest loudmouth jackass in the room and they're amplifying every stupid thing he says again. Peace and prosperity isn't good for ratings.

[GreenWave]

3. + infinity!

No truer words ever posted.

[LiberalFighter]

30. Yes they are! They need to be called out by name. Not by the network name but their own name.

[ShazzieB]

51. Let's start here with the calling out!

Who is doing this? I honestly have no idea and would like to know.

The only TV political coverage I watch regularly is MSNBC, chiefly the evening shows. This is not happening on the shows I watch. Please tell us who is doing this and on which network. If you're talking about print media, same thing. We all need to be informed.

[DENVERPOPS]

66. Hey everybody

HELLO...........

85+% of ALL media in the U.S. is owned/operated by Uber Rich Republicans............does that tell you anything????????????????

Which Political Party and candidates do you think they are gonna back?????????????????

[LiberalFighter]

72. So? There are segments that provide good coverage.

If you don't identify specifically the person then the whole network gets the blame spread thinly.

If you call them out by name there is more on them.

[LiberalFighter]

71. I avoid the late morning and early afternoon on MSNBC.

Most people say something about a show identifying only the network or newspaper.

So if they have a complaint about MSNBC that is all it is and not a specific person. But of course, it might be determined by noticing the time of the post.

[appalachiablue]

53. Media thrives on conflict, spectacle. A stable Democratic process & order lacks excitement.

[sarcasmo]

64. CNN admitted they made a billion dollars off of Trump, they wish to make billions more.

[Initech]

74. Totally insane that Trump destroys CNN, yet they give him near infinite free air time.

That's your problem right there.

[Katinfl]

92. I used to occasionally put on CNN

Not anymore. After that town hall fiasco, that’s it. Never again. I seldom even go to their website. Just my little way of protesting their coverage.

[wnylib]

85. It's more than that. Media are owned by

corporate conglomerates. They don't like Democratic economic policies.

[LakeArenal]

2. It isn't going to happen.

GOP loses voters everyday. They shoot themselves in the head every day. This round the Generals and vets think they suck and are speaking out about it. Youth is energized.

They are definitely starting to eat their own.

And they certainly are in disarray.

[PortTack]

7. Agree...all the special elections since 1/21 and the midterms are just a preview of what's come for

The gqp and their liar in chief king.

The best elections for the gqp are in the rear view mirror.

[Marius25]

10. It could happen. You only need Cornel West/No Labels

to take a few percent from Biden to flip swing states.

[LakeArenal]

22. Not happening.

[Initech]

38. We said that in 2016. And look what happened.

We can't let our guard down for a second. We have to assume the worst with these fuckheads and start fighting back with everything we got. This isn't 2016 anymore.

[LakeArenal]

39. Everything is totally different from any other election ever.

Biden is going to win by a larger margin than 2020.

[Initech]

42. I really hope so!

Right now it's a matter of seeing the worst and hoping for the best. Fingers crossed.

[womanofthehills]

80. This election is going to be like no other because of social media

Most younger people get the news off of their phone and podcasts.

[SWBTATTReg]

98. I think that this is more likely. And the reasoning I have is that the more that tRUMP flails

and moans and gripes etc., it's an easy read into the tRUMP mindset of how precarious his position among the voters is. He's already called for Congress to rescue him, what is next? to flood Washington DC and take over the government? I wouldn't put anything pass the tangerine man as he literally is too dumb, too stupid to think things though.

[Ferrets are Cool]

50. This x 1000

[stopdiggin]

95. there's a difference between 'letting our guard down'

and then actually offering positive prediction.
If 'could happen' means roughly the same thing as Taylor Swift 'might' propose to me (sometime in the next decade) ... Then you've pretty much degraded any talking point to - the point where, frankly isn't any point.

[inthewind21]

106. Not just 2016

People have been saying for as long as I can remember "oh, that would never happen here" And, here we are.

[soldierant]

52. My thoughts exactly.

I vividly remember John Anderson in 1980. As well as Ralph Nader in 2000.

[andym]

67. They may be losing voters overall

Bu they are gaining in states like Fl, which is why Desantis can rule it like a king.

[LakeArenal]

69. Biden is going to win. That's it. Make up all the possible scenarios.

Biden will win by wider margin than 2020.

[oldsoftie]

115. Well, THAT wouldnt be hard. His margin in 2020 was 44k votes.

I hope we find out some info in the trial that is FAR worse than what we already know.

[Silent3]

100. It's not *likely* to happen, but don't fool yourself that it isn't possible

It is very likely that Trump will be the Republican nominee. No matter how bad things get for Trump, any Republican nominee will have a non-trivial chance of winning the Presidency. Biden is hugely superior as a President to Trump, but, in case you haven't noticed, a huge part of the American electorate isn't smart enough to recognize that, otherwise he'd have a much, much higher approval rating.

Never forget you're at the mercy of idiots.

[Rocknation]

4. Trump was beaten by a four-percent "cheatproof" margin in 2020

provided by the 26 million people who were either too young or too apathetic to vote in 2016. Trump really did get 11M of those votes -- but Biden got the rest.

The way to electoral-vote-proof the 2024 election is to widen that margin -- especially among the young, apathetic, and this time around, non-hetreosexuals and outraged women.


Rocknation

[LiberalFighter]

32. Message to women & those supporting their issues need to understand

it is not just a national election but connected to congressional and also to state-wide as well as state legislators.

The message to all of them should be one that instills fear in those that oppose the rights of women and their issues.

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. Trump lost the electoral college by a narrower margin than Hillary's

Hillary lost the EC by about 80k votes, Biden won by about 40k.

West and No Labels could easily peel off 40k in 3-4 swing states.

[Lonestarblue]

48. That is exactly why No Labels exists.

It is solely to benefit Trump and give power to Republicans. I would not worry about the EC so much if it weren’t for all the state laws passed since 2020 and the obviously crooked Republican elections officials. Some of them got kicked out of office, but we simply do not know how many are now in positions to affect the vote. It may be subtle, such as insisting that certain voters must vote a provisional ballot and then never counting that ballot.

I believe Georgia ha made enough changes giving the legislature more powers that it could easily be manipulated for Trump in 2024. Michigan and Pennsylvania might be harder because of Democratic governors, but many districts are in the hands of local Republicans who can screw around with votes. Democratic margins need to be far larger in the swing states than last time just to account for what Republicans might do. No Labels was formed to make sure that doesn’t happen.

[summer_in_TX]

70. There are no short cuts to a lot of hard work.

Matthew Dowd
@matthewjdowd
A myth has developed there is some statistically significant number of GOP voters who will vote for Biden over Trump. No data shows this. Biden gets today same % of GOP as he did in 2020, as Hillary got in 2016, as Obama got in 2012/2008, and as Mondale got in 1984. Also…1/2

2/2…the number of voters who identify as GOP remains roughly the same as it has for the last 25 years. There has not been a drop of GOP partisans in America in Trump era. The way for Dems to win elections today is appealing to independents and motivating their base.

[womanofthehills]

86. West is no longer running with No Labels

He is a contender for Green Party Presidential nomination. This is a huge problem. He said he will soon be campaigning in the southern states.

[oldsoftie]

114. A lot of people here dont want to hear that fact.

They'll keep on about the popular vote.

[Poiuyt]

5. America has devolved to the point where a large percentage of voters

will for for the republican nominee, no matter how unqualified he/she may be. It doesn't matter as long as he has an "R" next to his name.

Unfortunately, Biden is a flawed candidate. With all that he's accomplished, he should be ahead by 30-40 points over Trump. But he's been painted as being old and dottering. Okay, he's old, but he's hardly dottering. But Biden has not been good at self-promotion. He and his allies need to step up his PR.

[PortTack]

11. A flawed candidate? Seriously?? What else would you have such a flawed candidate accomplish?

Geez

[dchill]

13. "Biden is a flawed candidate." Seriously?

They would make anyone's strengths seem to be weaknesses. Who is your unflawed candidate?

[Rocknation]

18. Biden's been painted as being old and doddering by Trump

who, being just four years younger, is now the same age that Biden was in 2016.


Rocknation

[Demsrule86]

78. Trump is 77...Biden is or will be 80...can' remember when.

[LakeArenal]

40. My opinion is, yours is a flawed opinion.

[LoisB]

49. Some of us (meaning me) who are in Pres. Biden's age group do not consider him "old" and who

among us is not "flawed" in some way. As a President and as a candidate, I find no "flaws" in him. In addition to which, I believe that the President is such an honorable human that if he had ANY qualms about his ability to govern, he would not have chosen to run for reelection.

[womanofthehills]

81. Most of us on DU are older and so Biden doesn't look that old to us

But to the younger generation, he looks really old.

[erronis]

56. Please give us an analysis of the flaws. And provide a similar one

of his potential rivals flaws.

I don't expect you to be able to put a valid list of flaws vs. benefits for Biden - or anybody else.

[betsuni]

62. 2016 called, it wants "flawed candidate" back.

[summer_in_TX]

68. Biden's an amazing campaigner. He focuses on

values of democracy, making things better for everyone. He's self-deprecating and humble but he has a solid record of accomplishment to run on.

I can't wait to see what he will get done in a second term. We need him to do that.

[inthewind21]

107. LOL - Flawed candidate

Gee, where have I heard THAT before?

No, the VOTERS need to step up. This nonsense of "we have a flawed candidate" is bullshit. How'd that work out last time? Thank god you didn't get that flawed candidate!

[yankee87]

6. Reich Wing MSM

Let's face it: all the MSM are Reich wing and acting like TFG is normal, just like his last two runs. They will give him all the time he wants like CNN did.

Vote like your life depends on it.

[republianmushroom]

8. agree

[Arkansas Granny]

9. It's incredible to me that tfg is a possible candidate. For all their boast and bluster

about being the law and order party, Republicans are willing to vote for an indicted criminal who has admitted to stealing classified and top secret documents.

It's definitely a cult.

[Cyrano]

16. It also demonstrates that hypocrisy has been raised to an art form

Many years ago, Rachel Maddow, among others, said: "Don't listen to what they say. Watch what they do."

We've watched. We've seen. And it's obvious that they don't care about "law and order," or backing a criminal.

They've bought into the insanity. Their goal is to destroy us.

[erronis]

57. Thank you. It's hard to keep these messages in front of us all the time.

[FalloutShelter]

17. Not to mention a RAPIST!

[doc03]

12. There is a chance it will work with, no labels, voter

intimidation, purging voters,help from the msm and high gas prices.

[Elessar Zappa]

15. There's always a chance.

But I’d give him less than a 20% chance of winning, especially if he’s convicted in the documents case or is indicted for sedition related to Jan. 6th. Just anecdotal but my two Trump loving cousins have decided to sit 2024 out unless DeSantis wins the primary. They’ve had enough of Trump.

[Cyrano]

19. If they'd vote for DeSantis, they're just voting for a Harvard educated Trump

And that makes DeSantis far more dangerous than the original Orange Beast.

What's WRONG with them???

[Elessar Zappa]

21. Oh I agree.

I’ve never accused my cousins of being upstanding citizens lol.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

14. Money equals a different kind of justice

just like money equals speech...how great was that idea

[erronis]

58. And money buys the airwaves which owns the fux-news crowd.

Now CNN has jumped into the "milk the rubes" circus.

[womanofthehills]

87. The majority of US adults no longer getting their news from cable

They are getting it off their phones & listening to podcasts. So ,we have around 260/270 million adults in US and about 400,000 watch CNN and a couple of million watch Fox. All the young are not going there.

[msfiddlestix]

20. It's INSANE that could be a thing.

But it is what we knew in 2021 would be a thing if he wasn't prosecuted as fast as humanly possible.

slow walking, and down right inaction shouldn't ever have been in the cards for the DOJ Which is exactly what happened until Jack Smith got the case. Fortunately, Smith is the right guy, unfortunately he can't perform miracles and turn the clock back.

If this goes the way we fear, it'll be beam me up Scottie time.

[melm00se]

24. enjoy your stay

[Arkansas Granny]

25. Your concern has been noted

[ificandream]

26. One thing to keep in mind is that if a pundit says something, it doesn't mean it'll happen.

I don't think even if Trump gets nominated (and I don't think he will) that he'll win. The indictments (and impeachments) will be in the thinking caps of any thoughtful (assuming there are any ... ha ha) Republicans.

[calimary]

27. THIS. Absolutely Positively Definitely and Urgently THIS.

Accept NO substitutes.

[IcyPeas]

28. The trump administration was very profitable to many of his goons

I daresay even the ones trying to distance themselves from him would still vote for him.

[2naSalit]

29. K&R

Just saw this on twitter...

Judge Michael Luttig summed up the @GOP
perfectly:

“No assemblage of politicians except the Republicans would ever conceive of running for the American presidency by running against the Constitution and the rule of law. But that’s exactly what they’re planning.”

[Cyrano]

34. At times, I wish I were all-powerful and could cure the world. But,

since I'm not, let me say this. -- Sigh.

[2naSalit]

35. ...

[Bayard]

31. My gut may be wrong, (I am working on heartburn at the moment)

But it tells me that even if trump does get the nom, he's never going to beat Biden. There are far more regular, semi-normal Americans out there who are not going to vote for a twice impeached, indicted multiple times, candidate. Especially one that blatantly stole this country's classified secrets--and I'm sure it will be proved--sought to sell them.

Not even close to worried about current crop of other rethug candidates either, including the Florida Tyrant. Unless some new star suddenly appears on the horizon. I'm not complacent, just practical.

[Cyrano]

37. I'm not too worried about him winning. But I fear the Republicans can steal it for him

While we Dems are busy registering every voter we can, Republicans are busy circumventing virtually every election law that's ever been passed. And, unfortunately, they have the help of the wingnut Supreme Court.

[oldsoftie]

41. I worry about him winning. He got more votes in 20 than 16.

HTF was THAT possible? There are many factors at play here and one big one (that we can openly talk about HERE) is that most voters dont pay a lot of attention to politics like we do here. And when Nov 24 rolls around, a lot of them will be voting based on how they feel things are going. Not on how much of an asshole & traitor Trump is.

[stopdiggin]

97. because there were a great many more votes cast

in a supercharged political year. (whereas 2016, was a completely different set of factors - which I'm sure we all remember)

[Duppers]

46. Amen!

[Kaleva]

36. The only proven way to deal with fascists is to kill them

Since no one here is planning to do such a thing, then we aren't dealing with fascists. Just some people we apply that label to

[oldsoftie]

43. Terrifyingly, yes he could. The last 2 elections were decided by

And 2020 was closer than 2016. Which STILL doesnt make any sense but thats how the system works.

[Elessar Zappa]

109. 2020 wasn't closer than 2016.

Biden beat him by 10 million votes and won the electoral college. Hillary had 3 million more votes than him and lost the electoral college.

[oldsoftie]

112. Electoral College is all that matters. Biden won by only around 44,000 votes.

If he'd lost GA, WI & AZ there would've been a tie. And with more GOP states Trump would've been reelected by the House
If the popular vote was more important we would've never had trump in '16

I dont know why people keep bringing up the popular vote. Especially HERE. Thats not how you WIN. It is what it is

[NowISeetheLight]

44. Don't See Him Being Elected

He may very well be the GQP nominee. But I think there are more than enough people who realize the danger that will prevent his election. Die hard GQP voters may vote for him but moderate Republicans who aren’t part of his base may just stay home or vote for Joe. I know several lifelong Republicans likes I was who voted for Clinton and Biden. They saw past the Trump BS. Have faith.

[Duppers]

47. Indeed! 👍

[RipVanWinkle]

45. I don't think it could happen. But then again, I could be wrong.

Trump will stand trial on at least one criminal case (most likely Mar-a-Lago) before November 2024. Possibly more.

If convicted in one or more cases, Trump will most likely lose voters who are:

a) non-MAGA Republicans, and
b) independents who lean right in most elections.

The more convictions, the greater the number of lost voters.

I don't think it could happen.

But then again, I could be wrong.

[Puppyjive]

54. A lot of voters

I will vote for Joe. He has done a fabulous job. However, his age is concerning to me and many voters. I wonder if he was thinking that if it got too difficult to lead, could he hand over the presidency to the vice president? What's the game plan here? How did we get to a point where we have a horrendous criminal and a very aging person be the front runners? Riddle me that du'ers.

[Cyrano]

60. Here's the answer. Trump must never again be president. EVER!

And let me add that DeSantis, or any other Republican, should never be allowed near the White House.

Regarding Joe's age, if the worst happens, Kamala Harris would become president. The Republican propaganda machine has done everything possible to run her into the ground. That's what they do. But she's a brilliant, caring, strong woman who believes in democracy, freedom and human decency, and who would become a great first female American president.

Many are wary of voting for Joe because of his age. But my question to them is this: "Would you rather live in a Trump (or other Republican) hell, than a Democratic world of hope?"

[inthewind21]

110. How did we get here?

Well, because too many were worried about a 'flawed" candidate and one that wasn't perfect to them in 2016 and before. THAT'S how we got here. What's the game plan? To NOT elect Trump!

[pagarr1957]

55. The media loses unless it's a "horse race".

Ever watch a football game where one team is leading 56-3 at halftime, and listened to the poor saps calling the game trying to keep people interested in it? If it gets bad enough, they'll usually bail and go to a closer game.

Or another good analogy is sports betting. The bookies will adjust the point spreads until they have an even number of bets coming in for both teams. That's how they make the most money.

So count on the media doing everything they can to make people think that this will go down to the wire, that way you need to keep watching. If one candidate starts opening a big lead, look for them to start piling on the leader and kissing the ass of the one that's trailing.

And, the more legal trouble that Donnie Dollhands gets into, the more difficult of a time they'll have "normalizing" the motherfucker.

[lees1975]

59. I seriously doubt he will get enough support to win it.

At the present time, I'd bet on 50-50 odds that he doesn't get the GOP nomination.

But if he does get the nomination, there will be all kinds of open attempts at stealing it. He will do anything and everything he can to make it crooked, which is why I hope the DOJ does its job and gets convictions for his crimes that put him in prison for the rest of his life.

[elocs]

61. Trump will NOT win if everybody on the Left votes for Biden.

No complacency, no not bothering to vote because of figuring Biden has it in the bag. JUST DO IT!!!
When Trump won in '16, here in Wisconsin Jill Stein of the Green Party received more votes than Trump's margin of victory. Quite likely those votes came from the Left. Here's a simple concept: If you're on the Left, vote for the Democratic candidates and diminish the chances of the Republican winning.
I've done that for over 50 years now.

[CaptainTruth]

76. +1000

[Cyrano]

65. Sorry to disagree. Intelligence has to be in good shape.

[betsuni]

73. I notice it's usually assumed that Cornel West's Green Party run and No Labels would take

votes away from Biden, that these third party voters would probably otherwise vote for the Democrat, not the Republican.

But when third party voters in swing states in the 2016 election is brought up as affecting the outcome in Trump's favor, there are always people insisting that no no no, those third party voters wouldn't have voted for the Democrat anyway, they weren't potential Democratic voters, no evidence the Democrat would've won the election if they hadn't voted third party.

I wonder what the difference is.

[CaptainTruth]

75. How did we get here? Remember "the dumbing down of America"?

If I recall correctly (IIRC), & I very well may not, it seemed like the concept became part of common awareness around the late 2000s.

IMHO it's mainly been a Republican agenda, to destroy public education so they could have more ignorant marks they could easily manipulate with their lies. Remember "No Child Left Behind"? Again, IIRC GW Bush submitted budgets 2 years in a row that substantially cut funding for public education. Congress rejected both & restored funding. Then, he suddenly said he cares about education & pushed No Child Left Behind. That alone should have made everyone suspicious, but alas, I was apparently one of the few people who read the law & thought about it's ultimate consequences & realized that if it were to continue to it's logical end it would eliminate about 90% (my estimate) of federal funding for public education, which is exactly what they wanted. And, that's exactly why, as time progressed & the impacts of the law became apparent, the whole thing was thrown out.

Skip ahead to Trump saying "I love the poorly educated."

Take 2 main ingredients:

1) Dumbing down a large number of Americans, so they're gullible to propaganda.

2) Flooding the media with right-wing propaganda, radical right lies.

Stir those 2 things together &, given a bit of time, you end up where we are today.

[Demsrule86]

77. Joe Biden will kick his orange ass...why the doom and gloom? It won't happen.

[Cyrano]

84. Yep. "It Can't Happen Here."

[SWBTATTReg]

99. I agree. This doom and gloom of some of these is rather disappointing, and based upon what?

Are they listening to tRUMP's constant, non-stop hype? Must be for I don't see any other reason or rationale that tRUMP would win.

[beaglelover]

79. Why will independent voters vote for him?

[Maraya1969]

82. If Trump gets in it will be the last election we have in a long time

[BComplex]

83. DON'T. BELIEVE. THESE. POLLS.

You have no idea who is tweeking them. Or why.

[LakeArenal]

105. Exactly. Polls are an antiquated way to collect data.

[Skittles]

88. he never conceded

and THEN HE TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT

WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO RUN

[GoodRaisin]

89. Hopefully he'll choke to death on a KFC bone while feeding his face

or stroke out first.

[DFW]

90. Sure, it COULD happen

Still, if I were a betting man, my money would be on "the unforeseen."

As things stand now, I would still bet that next year's Republican nominee for President will NOT be named Trump, Pence, DeSantis, Haley or Christie. I think their big money is getting tired of letting the inmates run the asylum. As it stands now, if they run any of the above, they lose. It's that simple, and they have pocket calculators in Republicanland that work as well as ours do.

[Maraya1969]

91. Can I say this now since he is still just a citizen......

I hope someone shoots the MF dead if he is elected.

[oldsoftie]

113. Its sad that its come to that but I hear it more and more.

He's such a POS
But if that DID happen it could also spell the end for the USA just as we fear it will end if he wins

[Richard58]

93. I don't get it either.

Trump's presidency was filled with lies, corruption and treason. I don't understand how people can support a man who steals from a children's charity, sexually assaults women and steals classified documents. Trump is a monster! But yet the Republican base loves him! I can't wrap my brain around this. The fact that he could be President again blows my mind. It just shows how screwed up this country is. And when I complain about Trump to Trump supporters they say all the bad things about him are "fake news." It's so frustrating to talk to them.

[inthewind21]

111. I'll see your trump voters

and raise you Dem voters who are pearl clutching about age and flawed candidates and even calling for Biden to not run again. Now THAT blows my mind!

[Justice matters.]

94. Picture this IF hair fuerher is the gqp nominee:

Dems MUST develop a nation-wide ADS strategy to force R voters who don't pay attention to politics very much to "remember" their fascist's baggage like the hundreds of thousands COVID deaths due to his careless attitude, and the top-secret documents he stole to sell our enemies for personal gain, which in turn could cause a worst-than 911 attack.

Really? Such a possibility that he escapes Jack Smith and his upcoming trials in Georgia, DC (insurrection...) and NY State for thousands of effective ADS nationwide should make him lose by a wider margin than in 2020.

[Caliman73]

96. It isn't just the "brain dead" voters...

It is the eligible "non voters" as well. 40% plus of people eligible to vote, do not vote during even presidential elections. The number goes higher during off year elections. Republicans know they do not have the actual numbers so they count on and encourage apathy to keep the margins close enough so that their dirty tricks can work and they can win, when they should be a permanent minority party.

The general trends in society are that "history is boring" and "politics is what those other people do". People have generally been made to think that their voice doesn't count, so they do not make their voices heard.

People are apathetic and ignorant about how much politics and who we elect, affects our lives.

We see in poll after poll that the policies, the actual legislation proposed by Democratic politicians, has a broad support, until you attach a letter or name behind it. Like people who liked the ACA but HATED Obamacare.

[tiredtoo]

101. "HOW THE FUCK DID WE GET HERE?"

40 + years of hate radio and fox noise is how. And you are right. "Losing is not an option."

[mzmolly]

102. My hope is that is information comes out in trial

he will less viable, as a candidate.

[bigtree]

103. no

...no evidence that Trump will now win against the man who beat him by over seven million votes.

Such bullshit from pundits this morning. Way to tell us you listened to their poppycock this morning and ate it with a spoon without actually saying it.

If Democrats can't win against a man found culpable for rape, and indicted for stealing nuclear secrets, the problem won't be with Democrats.

This is absolute twaddle.

[Paladin]

104. WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO DO ABOUT IT?

That is the question we have to be asking ourselves, now.

[FakeNoose]

108. I'm sorry I can't read any posts where Chump's candidacy is being promoted