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Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 08:28 AM Jun 2023

CNBC: Wagner soldiers will no longer fight in Ukraine

CNBC reports:

Wagner mercenaries will no longer fight in Ukraine after Prigozhin refused to sign contracts
Wagner mercenaries will no longer fight in Ukraine after the group’s leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, refused to sign contracts with the Kremlin, the head of the Duma defense committee, Andrei Kartapolov, said Thursday.

Kartapolov said that a few days before the attempted rebellion, Russia’s ministry of defense announced that “all [groups] that perform combat missions must sign a contract” with the ministry, state-owned news agency Tass reported.

Kartapolov said Prigozhin did not sign the contracts and was informed that “Wagner would not take part in a special military operation.”

— Karen Gilchrist


So minus the Wagner army and minus the forces putler has to keep in russia to protect his regime. Hmmmmmmm.

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CNBC: Wagner soldiers will no longer fight in Ukraine (Original Post) Tomconroy Jun 2023 OP
I hope all eyes are on their whereabouts at all times EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #1
Yeah, I get the same feeling. lark Jun 2023 #10
Wagner was decimated in the fighting for Bakhmut. Kaleva Jun 2023 #11
Add me to the list of sceptics. nt pazzyanne Jun 2023 #16
Me too William Seger Jun 2023 #18
Putin has been humiliated jcgoldie Jun 2023 #23
This is a big deal Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #2
Africa, though. Easterncedar Jun 2023 #3
I think citizens are going to have to vote in better leaders. jimfields33 Jun 2023 #5
Belarus may be the target Johonny Jun 2023 #7
We should be cautiously wary of Prigozhin - he really isn't a "good guy" FakeNoose Jun 2023 #4
He's basically DeSantis to Putin's Trump. nt Tommy Carcetti Jun 2023 #15
Good one. Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #21
Gosh................... Lovie777 Jun 2023 #6
Only those who voluntarily sign contracts. Tomconroy Jun 2023 #8
Probably not many after they have seen how Russia supports its own troops. keithbvadu2 Jun 2023 #9
They are still wanted for war crimes! Emile Jun 2023 #12
This'll never happen, but my wish, if I find the lamp and the genie is home, is this: DFW Jun 2023 #13
This could backfire, bigly JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2023 #19
Turns out there are things worse than a Russian prison Tommy Carcetti Jun 2023 #14
Reportedly up to 8,000 Wagner troops in Belarus... CaptainTruth Jun 2023 #17
Well, we already knew that, Prigozhin had withdrawn the ones he had left Warpy Jun 2023 #20
BUT, will they fight in Poland and the Baltic States? or perhaps Model35mech Jun 2023 #22

EYESORE 9001

(26,405 posts)
1. I hope all eyes are on their whereabouts at all times
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 08:39 AM
Jun 2023

I smell something very bad in all of this. I like how this looks, you know, bad for putin, but something devious may be afoot. Consider the players.

lark

(23,504 posts)
10. Yeah, I get the same feeling.
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 09:34 AM
Jun 2023

I am kin of expecting an attack on a NATO country lauched from Belarus by Wagner to give Putin deniability.

Putin absolutely does not forgive, so that part is a sham for sure.

Kaleva

(36,830 posts)
11. Wagner was decimated in the fighting for Bakhmut.
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 09:37 AM
Jun 2023

It will take some time for them to rebuild.

Also, it took Wagner months to take the small city of Bakhmut. Attempting anything bigger is out of the question

William Seger

(10,827 posts)
18. Me too
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 10:53 AM
Jun 2023

It's scary watching such an unstable situation, knowing there's no reason to believe anything the principles are saying.

jcgoldie

(11,698 posts)
23. Putin has been humiliated
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 12:39 PM
Jun 2023

This is not a stunt. He is a dictator whose rule is based on fear and intimidation... no way he could allow his image to be soiled in such a way if he had any control over it.

jimfields33

(17,044 posts)
5. I think citizens are going to have to vote in better leaders.
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 08:53 AM
Jun 2023

How long does it take to figure out voting for the same election after election is not working. Africa has a plethora of minerals and other important stuff. Africa could be a powerhouse. They just need good leadership.

FakeNoose

(33,856 posts)
4. We should be cautiously wary of Prigozhin - he really isn't a "good guy"
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 08:53 AM
Jun 2023

... even though right now he seems like the better of two evils.

Lovie777

(13,243 posts)
6. Gosh...................
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 08:56 AM
Jun 2023

I just read that the Wagner group will be absorb in the Russian military and are being sent back to Ukraine

That said, I hope the above is more to the truth.

DFW

(55,187 posts)
13. This'll never happen, but my wish, if I find the lamp and the genie is home, is this:
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 09:48 AM
Jun 2023

Wagner makes a deal with the west, sends his troops to fight the Russians, in Ukrainian uniforms, and devastates the Russian troops in the eastern Ukraine and Crimea. They already know where the Russians are, what kind of equipment they have, and how well it works.

Tell Prigozhin that if he helps liberate all Ukrainian territory, including Crimea, then any Russian territory he might "liberate" east of the proper Ukrainian border can be the new "People's Republic of Prigozhinia," for all we care. Let Putin eat some of his own medicine for once.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,544 posts)
19. This could backfire, bigly
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 10:57 AM
Jun 2023

Someone would have to keep ammunition, food, etc, flowing to Wagner. So I think we would end up supporting this thug, this war criminal. Then, if he's successful, why would he cede this area back to Ukraine? He could keep it and call it Progzhinia. Prigozhin is not someone we can trust.

CaptainTruth

(6,829 posts)
17. Reportedly up to 8,000 Wagner troops in Belarus...
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 10:50 AM
Jun 2023

...causing Poland to strengthen their defenses.

From Visegrad:
The State Department just approved Poland’s plan to buy 6 batteries of the Patriot missile defense system

Poland will get 48 launchers, 644 PAC 3 missiles, the Integrated Air & Missile Defense & Battle Command System (IBCS) & related equipment.
-snip-

Poland is also reportedly buying tanks, howitzers, infantry fighting vehicles, helicopters etc but I don't have confirmed details. Sources in Poland say the first US Abrams tanks have arrived.

Warpy

(112,123 posts)
20. Well, we already knew that, Prigozhin had withdrawn the ones he had left
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 12:35 PM
Jun 2023

I would imagine the ones who took part on the march toward Moscow will get the hell out of Russia, either taking off for Central Africa or South America or anywhere else Putin has sent in little green men to destabilize countries.

Wagner is still very useful. The only question is who they'll take their orders from. Putin, Garasimov, and Shoigu will be tough sells.

Ukaine will be left with Russia's regular army: poorly outfitted, poorly trained, badly commanded, unmotivated and generally unpaid. It's not going to be a cakewalk but they should be easier to dislodge than Wagner forces. Ukraine is already retaking Bakhmut.

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