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CNBC reports:
Wagner mercenaries will no longer fight in Ukraine after Prigozhin refused to sign contracts
Wagner mercenaries will no longer fight in Ukraine after the groups leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, refused to sign contracts with the Kremlin, the head of the Duma defense committee, Andrei Kartapolov, said Thursday.
Kartapolov said that a few days before the attempted rebellion, Russias ministry of defense announced that all [groups] that perform combat missions must sign a contract with the ministry, state-owned news agency Tass reported.
Kartapolov said Prigozhin did not sign the contracts and was informed that Wagner would not take part in a special military operation.
Karen Gilchrist
So minus the Wagner army and minus the forces putler has to keep in russia to protect his regime. Hmmmmmmm.
EYESORE 9001
(27,412 posts)I smell something very bad in all of this. I like how this looks, you know, bad for putin, but something devious may be afoot. Consider the players.
lark
(23,950 posts)I am kin of expecting an attack on a NATO country lauched from Belarus by Wagner to give Putin deniability.
Putin absolutely does not forgive, so that part is a sham for sure.
Kaleva
(37,857 posts)It will take some time for them to rebuild.
Also, it took Wagner months to take the small city of Bakhmut. Attempting anything bigger is out of the question
pazzyanne
(6,591 posts)William Seger
(10,958 posts)It's scary watching such an unstable situation, knowing there's no reason to believe anything the principles are saying.
jcgoldie
(11,926 posts)This is not a stunt. He is a dictator whose rule is based on fear and intimidation... no way he could allow his image to be soiled in such a way if he had any control over it.
Johnny2X2X
(21,357 posts)Wagner troops were by far the most effective troops Russia had on their side.
Easterncedar
(3,142 posts)There the atrocities and looting continue.
jimfields33
(18,349 posts)How long does it take to figure out voting for the same election after election is not working. Africa has a plethora of minerals and other important stuff. Africa could be a powerhouse. They just need good leadership.
Johonny
(21,794 posts)It's still unclear to me what's going on.
FakeNoose
(35,184 posts)... even though right now he seems like the better of two evils.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,473 posts)Sky Jewels
(8,644 posts)I like that comparison.
Lovie777
(14,473 posts)I just read that the Wagner group will be absorb in the Russian military and are being sent back to Ukraine
That said, I hope the above is more to the truth.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)I don't think their will be many of those
keithbvadu2
(39,652 posts)Emile
(28,416 posts)DFW
(56,261 posts)Wagner makes a deal with the west, sends his troops to fight the Russians, in Ukrainian uniforms, and devastates the Russian troops in the eastern Ukraine and Crimea. They already know where the Russians are, what kind of equipment they have, and how well it works.
Tell Prigozhin that if he helps liberate all Ukrainian territory, including Crimea, then any Russian territory he might "liberate" east of the proper Ukrainian border can be the new "People's Republic of Prigozhinia," for all we care. Let Putin eat some of his own medicine for once.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,723 posts)Someone would have to keep ammunition, food, etc, flowing to Wagner. So I think we would end up supporting this thug, this war criminal. Then, if he's successful, why would he cede this area back to Ukraine? He could keep it and call it Progzhinia. Prigozhin is not someone we can trust.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,473 posts)Namely being Ukrainian cannon fodder.
CaptainTruth
(7,143 posts)...causing Poland to strengthen their defenses.
From Visegrad:
The State Department just approved Polands plan to buy 6 batteries of the Patriot missile defense system
Poland will get 48 launchers, 644 PAC 3 missiles, the Integrated Air & Missile Defense & Battle Command System (IBCS) & related equipment.
-snip-
Poland is also reportedly buying tanks, howitzers, infantry fighting vehicles, helicopters etc but I don't have confirmed details. Sources in Poland say the first US Abrams tanks have arrived.
Warpy
(113,015 posts)I would imagine the ones who took part on the march toward Moscow will get the hell out of Russia, either taking off for Central Africa or South America or anywhere else Putin has sent in little green men to destabilize countries.
Wagner is still very useful. The only question is who they'll take their orders from. Putin, Garasimov, and Shoigu will be tough sells.
Ukaine will be left with Russia's regular army: poorly outfitted, poorly trained, badly commanded, unmotivated and generally unpaid. It's not going to be a cakewalk but they should be easier to dislodge than Wagner forces. Ukraine is already retaking Bakhmut.
Model35mech
(2,047 posts)in break away Russian Caucuses?