Shows how much we know about what DOJ is doing

[bigtree]

Andrew Feinberg @AndrewFeinberg
Prosecutors are now prepared to “stack” an “additional 30 to 45 charges” on top of the indictment brought against Mr Trump on 8 June, using evidence that has not been publicly acknowledged, including other recordings prosecutors have obtained of Mr Trump. 2:18 PM · Jun 29, 2023

Andrew Feinberg @AndrewFeinberg 1h
Additionally, it is understood that Jack Smith’s team is ready to bring charges against several of the attorneys who have worked for Mr Trump, including @RudyGiuliani and others who aided the ex-president's push to remain in office against voters' wishes.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-giuliani-more-charges-b2366597.html

Link to tweet

[JMCKUSICK]

1. Would be nice and make sense

[republianmushroom]

2. So far it is hearsay, it has not happened "YET".

[ProfessorGAC]

6. So Was The Indictment, Until It Happened

Yet, there were what turned out to be accurate predictions of that.
In light of that, exactly what point are you attempting to make?

[republianmushroom]

45. true, "Until It Happened"

until then It hadn't happened.

[ProfessorGAC]

47. Way To Miss The Point

Willfully obtuse is not an admirable attribute.

[Artcatt]

26. Neither has tomorrow morning.

[republianmushroom]

43. Correct, one could die tonight. Then there would be no tomorrow morning for that person.

[TrotskyistTidings]

51. Tomorrow is tomorrow regardless of the state of life.

[republianmushroom]

52. If you're dead there is no life.

[H2O Man]

58. Tomorrow Never Knows

[republianmushroom]

63. neither do the dead.

[H2O Man]

66. There is no death.

Only a change in frequency.

[Captain Zero]

73. What's the frequency, Kenneth??

More and more, I'm becoming convinced Smith is a legal NINJA, and he may well hand Trump his ass on a platter.

[H2O Man]

74. ...... on a platter,

where the defendent does splatter.

[edisdead]

59. intentionally daft, or actually?

[erronis]

28. Your recurring point. Got any thoughts that are worth sharing?

[republianmushroom]

46. several but I can't post them. Rules

[Fiendish Thingy]

3. I've never been so pleased to be uninformed

Being kept in the dark by DOJ until they act is exactly how it should be.

[inthewind21]

13. Then

there's this.

"Expanding on CNN’s reporting one day earlier, the New York Times on Wednesday reported that former Donald Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani was interviewed last week by investigators from special counsel Jack Smith’s office as part of “a proffer agreement.” While the Times was not specific about what Giuliani’s voluntary interview means, such proffer sessions are almost always the final step toward a plea deal. If one is consummated in Smith’s investigation of Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election—which were spearheaded by Giuliani—it would be both a deeply ironic end for one of the country’s most bulldog former prosecutors and also a devastating blow to the former president."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/06/did-rudy-giuliani-flip-against-trump-proffer.html

[Hekate]

4. Well

[Cha]

5. TY & DOJ!

[ShazzieB]

7. Wow!

An “additional 30 to 45 charges”? Fantastic!

[Alexander Of Assyria]

9. Yes, but but...what's taking so long!?? ... a sentiment in retreat, thank heavens!

The R Presidential Field of Dreams candidates salivating…waiting…

Seems to me Christie is going to emerge as a major contender as the one that got it right, despite his past willingness to work with a devil.

When Republicans flee the imprisoned trump, who will be the anti Trump the guilty and embarrassed can turn to…and pretend they never heard of the prisoner?

[gab13by13]

18. No one who I am aware of

thinks that Jack Smith is going slowly. Glenn Kirschner said that Smith is running a 2 minute offense compared with Garland not having a team on the field. Those are Kirschner's words not mine.

Chris Christie will never be president but what he is doing is super important, a big name Republican bashing Trump and DeSantis.

[Beastly Boy]

67. Is Jack Smith part of DOJ? Yes? Then you have full awareness of what the previous post is talking

about.

And frankly, what Kirschner says on MSNBC is hardly relevant to what is actually happening at DOJ.

[inthewind21]

69. WHAT????????

You mean pundits aren't the final word? I'm devastated!

[we can do it]

40. They're not brewing a cup of keurig crap ffs.

Quality takes time.

[Raven123]

8. TFG's accomplices are watching him confess to everything. They know it's only a matter of time

I suspect they have concluded he won’t be elected POTUS in 2024, so it is unlikely they will be pardoned. Reality has hit and they are hoping they will get a break from Smith.

[NowISeetheLight]

10. Happily

I'll be happily ignorant as they pile on charges.

[ecstatic]

11. Awesome news. I'm glad he's not taking the "everything has to be finished first" approach

because with trump, there is no end to his crimes. It would be impossible to finish looking into everything in 5 years much less 1 year.

[gab13by13]

12. I'm glad he's not using the "pyramid strategy."

[Beastly Boy]

32. He is.

You are just not giving Garland credit for building a solid foundation to Jack Smith's pyramid, and only appointing him to go after Trump once the pyramid was built.

[bigtree]

36. Jack Smith absolutely did interview lessers before he moved up to top Trump officials

...there is nothing unusual or wrong about the approach Merrick Garland took, and the similar evidence-gathering Jack Smith has done.

This should really give you pause about drafting all of the 'Garland waited' canard off of WaPo's Carol Leoning's incomplete and misleading article:

(@MuellerSheWrote) Before Jack Smith was appointed, Merrick Garland:

Seized John Eastman's phone
Seized Jeffrey Clark's phone
Seized Scott Perry's emails
Seized Eastman's emails
Seized Epshteyn's phone
Seized Mike Lindell's phone
Seized Mike Roman's phone
Seized Scott Perry's phone
Got Kash Patel's testimony
Appointed Windom
Appointed Cooney
Subpoenaed the fraudulent electors
Subpoenaed 7 state's election officials
Subpoenaed Sidney's PAC
Subpoenaed Rudy
Opened IG probe into Clark
Opened IG probe into DoJ response to 1/6
Negotiated subpoena for Meadows
Battled the 11th circuit for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for surveillance video
Executed a search warrant on trump
Convicted Bannon of contempt
Indicted Navarro for contempt
Subpoenaed the speakers from 1/6
Subpoenaed the organizers of 1/6
Secured seditious conspiracy convictions
Subpoenaed records for any member of congress involved in 1/6
Subpoenaed info on Jenna Ellis
Secured testimony from Mark Short
Secured testimony from Jacob Engel
Secured testimony from Philbin
Secured testimony from Cippollone
Subpoenaed info on trump's PACs
Won privilege battles for Short, Engel, and the Pats
Negotiated for Pence's subpoena
Seized the phone records of Meadows
Secured the 1/6 committee transcripts
Subpoenaed 7 secretaries of state
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1647043510544273408.html


...that's just what's in the public record. DOJ secrecy rules (correctly) prevent you or anyone else from definitively knowing or saying just what they did in the early days of the investigation. The absense of that information may well be an open invitation for Garland critics to speculate the worst of his actions and intentions, but it's still bunk without that inside knowledge, which is essentially the bulk of the case, not what you read in the news.

[ecstatic]

48. Interesting, thanks for sharing. Did most of that happen before or after the J6 hearings?

[ecstatic]

50. So I looked up the answer myself, and WAPO appears to be right:

all or most of MG/DOJ's actions occurred after they were embarrassed into finally doing something by the J6 hearings which started June 9, 2022. Once the brutal hearings began, DOJ swung into action immediately, but it should not have taken that long. I'm not trying to attack MG, but it is what it is.

That said, I think we're all elated that Jack Smith is on the case and moving quickly.

[bigtree]

75. Meadows, for one, preceeded first televised hearing on June 9, 2022

Justice Department investigators in April (2022) received phone records of key officials and aides in the Trump administration, including his former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, according to two people familiar with the matter. That effort is another indicator of how expansive the Jan. 6 probe had become, well before the high-profile, televised House hearings in June and July on the subject.

The Washington Post and other news organizations have previously written that the Justice Department is examining the conduct of Eastman, Giuliani and others in Trump’s orbit. But the degree of prosecutors’ interest in Trump’s actions has not been previously reported, nor has the review of senior Trump aides’ phone records.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/07/26/trump-justice-investigation-january-6/

...does this July 26, 2022 article by Carol D. Leonnig, the same person who claimed there wasn't attention at DOJ on the Trump WH, including the president, give you ANY pause in accepting the claims that DOJ was negligent in the early days of Garland's time in office?

[we can do it]

41. Hmmm seems like he is.

[orangecrush]

14. "Treason"

Should be on the list.

[BunnyMcGee]

15. Absolutely

Treason!

[grantcart]

65. Treason, as defined in the Constitution would not apply.

Simply being a traitor doesn't mean you have committed treason.

[ananda]

16. Hold your hat on. Hurricane Jack is out for Trump and co.

Yay

[wiggs]

20. Merely out for justice, truth, the law. Trump and Co placed themselves in the way. nt

[Martin68]

17. Great news! And I love that they're going after the lawyers - especially Giuliani.

If lawyers know they will be indicted and sanctioned or jailed, they will be less likely to aid future insurrectionists.

[inthewind21]

23. Giuliani

is in deep shit. He's been beat up in the courts and recall, Trump kicked him to the curb and wouldn't help him. I have long since thought if there's a flip, it would be Giuliani. Think Michael Cohen. We shall see.

https://www.salon.com/2021/05/06/rudy-giulianis-allies-return-to-beg-trump-for-money-after-he-balked-at-20000-a-day-legal-bill/

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/05/politics/trump-giuliani-legal-costs/

[Martin68]

24. Cohen is an intelligent boy scout next to Giuliani.

[erronis]

30. Cohen was probably not drunk 18 out of 24 hours every day.

[Martin68]

49. Not surprising considering the stress involved with working with Trump.

[inthewind21]

70. Indeed

He is.

[tritsofme]

19. Sure to be a frustration to the whiner brigade!

[wiggs]

21. !!!? nt

[liberalla]

22. Thank you bigtree for posting this news! This is exciting! Woo Hoo!

[niyad]

25. KNR

[iemanja]

27. Are we pretending the WaPO article didn't exist?

It's great that Jack Smith is moving ahead on the documents investigation. What's unfortunate is that so little was done on the January 6 investigation early on, which is now an established fact thanks to any honest reading of the WaPo article. That of course didn't deter those DUers who consistently attacked (not simply disagreed but berated) those who expressed frustration over the slow pace of progress toward a Trump indictment for Jan. 6. The question now is if enough progress can be made before the 2024 election. If not, there is a chance that prosecutions and investigations will be abandoned--especially in regard to Jan. 6. The time frame matters. All the time DOJ delayed investigating may have serious consequences.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

31. Yes. Since it was an opinion of a few. A bad one, as we can now all see.

Opinions of the few aren’t made more valuable or poignant because it’s transmitted to the many by the few who can.

Most opinions at DU are just as well founded, little transmitted…Not all ofc!

[iemanja]

35. It was not opinion

It was an extensive investigation based on documents and interviews of witnesses. As I said, understanding the article requires an honest reading, not distortion to ignore facts and double-down on erroneous pre-existing beliefs.

One might as well deny science, it's just as credible. One finds the truth inconvenient, so they pretend it isn't real. It's "fake news." In this society, we've become all too familiar with people who don't accept facts. Whether it's scientific evidence on vaccines (or global warming, etc . . . ) or the established facts about the year-long delay by DOJ and the FBI, it's the same thing.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

37. Of what consequence was the alleged delay? None I can see. So even if it's not an opinion

it’s without consequence.

What difference did the alleged delay make in the course of Justice for the heads of the mob?

Top mobster arrested, twice, Capos soon…lightening speed to ultimate goal by any calculation.

No allegation of fake news, my allegation is the handwringing over delay is of no consequence … as the indictments prove.

[iemanja]

54. So now you've changed your own opinion and moved the goal post

The consequence is that we may never see a prosecution of Trump and his cronies for Jan 6 because of the upcoming presidential election, which could change who controls DOJ. Delay may mean justice may never be served. It also means the MoFo could well get re-elected because he isn't a convicted seditionist. That's the consequence. That point was also in the post you just responded to.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

57. Some are eternal pessimists, some are not, I suppose is the central paradigm.

Pessimists are legion on social media,

[bigtree]

33. are they pretending these didn't happen?

Before Jack Smith was appointed, Merrick Garland:

Seized John Eastman's phone
Seized Jeffrey Clark's phone
Seized Scott Perry's emails
Seized Eastman's emails
Seized Epshteyn's phone
Seized Mike Lindell's phone
Seized Mike Roman's phone
Seized Scott Perry's phone
Got Kash Patel's testimony
Appointed Windom
Appointed Cooney
Subpoenaed the fraudulent electors
Subpoenaed 7 state's election officials
Subpoenaed Sidney's PAC
Subpoenaed Rudy
Opened IG probe into Clark
Opened IG probe into DoJ response to 1/6
Negotiated subpoena for Meadows
Battled the 11th circuit for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for surveillance video
Executed a search warrant on trump
Convicted Bannon of contempt
Indicted Navarro for contempt
Subpoenaed the speakers from 1/6
Subpoenaed the organizers of 1/6
Secured seditious conspiracy convictions
Subpoenaed records for any member of congress involved in 1/6
Subpoenaed info on Jenna Ellis
Secured testimony from Mark Short
Secured testimony from Jacob Engel
Secured testimony from Philbin
Secured testimony from Cippollone
Subpoenaed info on trump's PACs
Won privilege battles for Short, Engel, and the Pats
Negotiated for Pence's subpoena
Seized the phone records of Meadows
Secured the 1/6 committee transcripts
Subpoenaed 7 secretaries of state

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1647043510544273408.html

[we can do it]

42. Opinions are like assholes.... everyone has one.

[iemanja]

53. You're an entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts

The WaPo article is not about opinion. Pretending otherwise is patently false.

[scipan]

56. Yes, it took them awhile and there was disagreement.

This is not a sea change.

[edisdead]

60. If not to create a depressive attitude what is the point of your posts

If not to create a depressive attitude what is the point of your posts in this thread. Here is an article about continuing action and here you are depressing the enthusiasm by pointing out something in the past.

How can you celebrate anything good in life, when something bad probably happened before?

[Joinfortmill]

29. Yup. Completely trust Joe Biden and Merrick Garland. Will never stop saying it. Both Patriots!!

[Mr. Ected]

34. Looks like Smith is going to tear a page out of Trump's playbook and beat him mercilessly with it

Indictments stacked on top of indictments stacked on top of indictments. Just when his legal team thinks it's identified the subject matter, BOOM, another stack of indictments. Trump's lies and crimes have been ceaseless. Same will be said about Smith and his indictments.

Bye bye Donald.

[we can do it]

38. Maybe the know-it-all "they aren't doing anything" crew will stfu now.

A girl can hope….

[inthewind21]

71. It would be nice

But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that.

[Johnny2X2X]

39. The new charges

According to the Independent, there are 45-50 new charges that will render the original ones moot.

[malaise]

44. Yes indeed

Chris Hayes will discuss the latest after the break

[Blue Owl]

55. Bring it

[live love laugh]

61. WHAAATTT??!! How did the "locals" here miss this?!

[wryter2000]

62. Let it be true

Rudy and Eastman need to go to prison for a long time.

[peggysue2]

64. Wow! The Day Mr. Smith Came to Washington was . . .

A very good day for America. He and his team are working at lightning speed to round up these grifters and seditionists.

The man has earned a place in the history books!

[Scrivener7]

68. Yes he has. Thank God he took this over.

[JustAnotherGen]

72. I hope some

Are in NJ.

[Emile]

76. There are a bunch of republicans in Congress that need charges too.